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Old 2008-06-24, 04:48   Link #2041
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There are MASSIVE differences between the anime and the games; of course it's worth it. The games are huge and cover stuff that was only barely touched on in the series. Not to mention the first game goes over three possible scenarios of the grail war whereas the anime only goes through one and imports scenes from the others.

Some changes...

* Rule breaker can transfer control over any servant it hits; during the second play through, Caster keeps taking extra servants under her. Including Saber and Archer.
* When the line comes "Caster, you should kill them outright instead of just making them sleep, that would be easier for all of us.", it's Archer (the red one) and not Kuzuki who says it.
* Archer is non-nerfed like in the anime.
* When Caster starts getting weak, Archer kills her and takes over as main Villain.
* You find out how the non-mage Kuzuki got a servant.
* How the non-mage Shinji got his servant.

So yes, it's worth playing because it's far better than the anime.
More like there are alternative routes you can take. The anime only animated the Fate route(first route) and mixed a little bit of the other two route, which caused some things to not make sense. The game, on the other hand, tells a much greater tale, but it takes quite long to finish playing it. One of the longest Visual Novel I have seen so far.
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Old 2008-06-25, 02:36   Link #2042
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No offence but Iamandragon's explanation practically fall apart if the Fuyuki link is true. Why is so? If unleashing excallibur is 700-800 and using UBW is around 270, archer won't disappear immediately as she claimed.He still has around 130 to 230 prana.

Also they discussed how there is strong possibility that avalon was never removed from archer's body.Which Iamandragon claimed that avalon is removed from archer's body a long time ago.

What I don't understand is how come archer's arm(the one that attached to shirou) didn't disappear after he died in Heaven's feel.
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Old 2008-06-25, 04:56   Link #2043
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Well you just have to choose which one you think is true: Fuyuki, me, or your own theory...

The reason a servant disappear when they don't have enough mana to maintain their materialization--Archer's arm alone probably got mana when it's attached to Shirou?
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Old 2008-06-26, 23:11   Link #2044
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Just finished the Fate route for the first time. Such an excellent story; much more fufilling than the anime I might add.

One question, It wasnt completely clear to me how Kiritsugu died. Somehow he was cursed by the holy grail?
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Old 2008-06-27, 00:22   Link #2045
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Just finished the Fate route for the first time. Such an excellent story; much more fufilling than the anime I might add.

One question, It wasnt completely clear to me how Kiritsugu died. Somehow he was cursed by the holy grail?
Not cursed--he saw what was inside the grail and made an attempt to destroy it, and failed, only to have the contents of the grail pour onto him.

In some sense he is cursed, but the definition of a curse in F/SN is different from everyday curse we talk about.
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Old 2008-06-27, 12:58   Link #2046
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So the contents of the grail somehow shortened his life? Was his death directly a result of the holy grail's contents?
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Old 2008-06-27, 17:16   Link #2047
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So the contents of the grail somehow shortened his life? Was his death directly a result of the holy grail's contents?
Pretty much. What the grail did was make him hear those voices of suffering asking for death and vengeance for five years straight. I assume it took the will to live out of him so when Shirou agreed to take on his ideal for him, he no longer had a reason to live on and let himself die.
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Old 2008-06-29, 07:29   Link #2048
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Pretty much. What the grail did was make him hear those voices of suffering asking for death and vengeance for five years straight. I assume it took the will to live out of him so when Shirou agreed to take on his ideal for him, he no longer had a reason to live on and let himself die.
Didnt Shirou also heard those voices?

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Oh, nevermind they were alive when Shirou found them in the secret chamber in church.
I thought they were dead and Shirou was able to hear theyr voices.... >.<
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Old 2008-06-29, 09:44   Link #2049
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Didnt Shirou also heard those voices?

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Oh, nevermind they were alive when Shirou found them in the secret chamber in church.
I thought they were dead and Shirou was able to hear theyr voices.... >.<
You're thinking of the wrong voices, but Shirou did hear them as well when he was fighting Kirie in the fate route and continued to hear them until he traced Avalon at which point all the muck was forced from his body.
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Old 2008-07-03, 11:26   Link #2050
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In episode 12 when Rider died, you saw Sakura infront of a window and she sayd something, I believe this is Heaven's Feel part?
So, what did she say?
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Old 2008-07-05, 22:05   Link #2051
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I want to ask about Gilgamesh's Ea. What is the reason that make this Ea powerful? I never heard of Ea nor have I heard of Uruk before so I doubt its powerful because it is well known. Is it because it is not from this world or is it because it is one of the oldest noble phantasm that existed?
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Old 2008-07-05, 23:27   Link #2052
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The people of it's time would have all known about it and there's plenty of people who still know the legend. Although there's no legend that says Gilgamesh himself ever got his hands on Ea; so there is creative license. There's a couple of other reasons, for one thing the weapon itself is pretty old, for another it's made of the divine and not from mortal materials. It's implied to be different than Excalibur in that way, since Ex has a form within mortal comprehension.

Actually Ea is the wrong name for it. Because Ea was a god of fresh water in Babylon. The name "Enuma Elish" translates into "Epic of Creation" and is the name of an ancient story. So, they took a lot of creative license. Needless to say, the word "Giglamesh" doesn't come up at ANY point in said story.
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Old 2008-07-06, 04:30   Link #2053
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And the reason gilgamesh got his hand on it is because of Gate of Babylon huh?
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Old 2008-07-06, 09:46   Link #2054
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The people of it's time would have all known about it and there's plenty of people who still know the legend. Although there's no legend that says Gilgamesh himself ever got his hands on Ea; so there is creative license. There's a couple of other reasons, for one thing the weapon itself is pretty old, for another it's made of the divine and not from mortal materials. It's implied to be different than Excalibur in that way, since Ex has a form within mortal comprehension.

Actually Ea is the wrong name for it. Because Ea was a god of fresh water in Babylon. The name "Enuma Elish" translates into "Epic of Creation" and is the name of an ancient story. So, they took a lot of creative license. Needless to say, the word "Giglamesh" doesn't come up at ANY point in said story.
Gilgamesh himself doesn't even know the actual name of the sword, its just the name that he gave it.
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Old 2008-07-06, 10:03   Link #2055
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But why Ea? Surely there must be a reason behind it?
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Old 2008-07-06, 23:27   Link #2056
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why is saber considered an incomplete servant?
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Old 2008-07-06, 23:51   Link #2057
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The servants are heroes who have already died, but Saber is still alive in her own time. She made a pact with Akasha to get the grail before dying, however since she was inches from death at the time, the only thing Akasha could do was preserve her life and send her spirit into the grail war.
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Old 2008-07-07, 19:11   Link #2058
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@Blade Lord: Well, quite frankly, it's just that. There is no reason for it. Gilgamesh called the sword 'Ea' because it just doesn't have a name. Simple. :P
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Old 2008-07-09, 13:03   Link #2059
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The name Ea might have come from the name of one of the gods from the tale of Gilgamesh in which he tries to attain eternal life. I remember reading this story a couple years back in 10th grade; not entirely sure but I think Ea was one of the creating gods which would explain why Gilgamesh said that his sword created/destroyed worlds in the visual novel.
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Old 2008-07-09, 20:14   Link #2060
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enki

He's also called "Ea", apparently. Not sure if it's related at all.
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