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Old 2011-12-09, 05:25   Link #3261
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Why doesn't Matou Zouken fight in the Grail War himself? He'd have a significant advantage over the other magi due to his experience as well as his magic abilities.
I'm guessing it's because he's too old or something? Though i know that reasoning is flawed since he's a experienced and strong magi as u all have pointed out..

Or he could be scared of dying should he participate in the war HIMSELF putting his life at risk since in the Holy Grail its kill or be killed.

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I'm only blind-guessing. But i feel it's cuz he's just afraid to put his own ass on the line. That'd explain why he is willing to spend years grooming a new Mato successor to win the Holy Grail for him. Better his puppet than him.
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Old 2011-12-09, 13:19   Link #3262
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Old 2011-12-09, 15:12   Link #3263
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Well, to fight in the war, doesn't he need to be chosen as a Master by the Grail? But he's not, so he can't do anything about that.
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Old 2011-12-09, 15:27   Link #3264
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Why doesn't Matou Zouken fight in the Grail War himself? He'd have a significant advantage over the other magi due to his experience as well as his magic abilities.
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Old 2011-12-09, 17:26   Link #3265
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Fate/Hollow Ataraxia is only partially translated right now. We still have to wait sometime before we can read it in its entirty


Here are my questions again:

- Why did Diarmuid accept Gráinne's geis?
- Did he fell in love with Gráinne (on first sight)?
The answer to the those questions could be found in both the LN and in the short during the anime Fate/Zero.

Them damn puppy-eyes.

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In other news, Fate/Apocrypha is coming out as a LN around December 15th I hear.
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Old 2011-12-09, 18:08   Link #3266
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Old 2011-12-09, 18:39   Link #3267
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Old 2011-12-09, 18:52   Link #3268
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Old 2011-12-10, 07:29   Link #3269
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Yes, precisely. He's not going to fight unless he's sure of victory, and without sakura, he's a VERY OLD magus with little to no advantages over the other masters, and outright at a disadvantage against Einzbern and Tohsaka...

That's why he doesn't take part in it unless he can draw Sakura into it. And that's also why he doesn't take part in the 4th war
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Old 2011-12-10, 18:40   Link #3270
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Old 2011-12-10, 18:42   Link #3271
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Why doesn't Matou Zouken fight in the Grail War himself? He'd have a significant advantage over the other magi due to his experience as well as his magic abilities.
It puts him in danger, and he's not powerful enough to guarantee a win. Further, he knows he can survive until the next war, whereas if he fights he might not. Plus, it's always better to have two entrants than one, so if he does want to get involved, he does so in addition to the other Matou master, not instead of them.
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Old 2011-12-10, 20:21   Link #3272
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Didn't Saber get a double dose before heading into battle?

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It puts him in danger, and he's not powerful enough to guarantee a win. Further, he knows he can survive until the next war, whereas if he fights he might not. Plus, it's always better to have two entrants than one, so if he does want to get involved, he does so in addition to the other Matou master, not instead of them.
Zouken is the guy who can't die but can't fight back. All of his strength is devoted to living.
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Old 2011-12-10, 20:43   Link #3273
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The only issue I have with Zouken "supposed powerlevel" is that he had no trouble to dispose of Kojiro. Even if the latter is a "fake servant", he is still, by definition, an heroic spirit so being turned into "food" for real assassin summoning is sort of alien to me.
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Old 2011-12-10, 20:44   Link #3274
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He didn't kill him, as such, he simply used his body as a catalyst to summon the real Assassin.
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Old 2011-12-10, 23:51   Link #3275
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Didn't Saber get a double dose before heading into battle?
Still 3 Excalibur is out of the question.

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Old 2011-12-11, 00:50   Link #3276
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Hi sorry if this has been asked before I was just wondering why saber considered the strongest servant does she have something special that the other servant does not have or is she on the same level as Gil my only experience with fate series was the one produced by Deen studio and the new anime airing now and it seems to me that saber cannot easily dispose her opponent based on what every one says about her you would think that she is god level BTW I have no experience with the novels thanks.
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Old 2011-12-11, 01:57   Link #3277
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Hi sorry if this has been asked before I was just wondering why saber considered the strongest servant does she have something special that the other servant does not have or is she on the same level as Gil my only experience with fate series was the one produced by Deen studio and the new anime airing now and it seems to me that saber cannot easily dispose her opponent based on what every one says about her you would think that she is god level BTW I have no experience with the novels thanks.
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Old 2011-12-11, 02:11   Link #3278
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Old 2011-12-11, 02:18   Link #3279
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Thanks for your reply
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Well exactly. His arrogance is his weakness. In FHA we found out what would happen if Gil actually is serious.

Anyways can anyone answer me this question.
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Old 2011-12-11, 05:24   Link #3280
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they are all servants. Meaning they are all as strong as servants.

IMO, they're probably not on the level of saber, but most of them would probably be around average servant level, meaning, around diarmuid's level i guess...
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