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Old 2011-12-11, 08:23   Link #3281
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Hi sorry if this has been asked before I was just wondering why saber considered the strongest servant does she have something special that the other servant does not have or is she on the same level as Gil my only experience with fate series was the one produced by Deen studio and the new anime airing now and it seems to me that saber cannot easily dispose her opponent based on what every one says about her you would think that she is god level BTW I have no experience with the novels thanks.
When other characters say that they're referring to the Saber class itself, not Arturia herself in specific.
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Old 2011-12-11, 21:49   Link #3282
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Anyways can anyone answer me this question.
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Old 2011-12-12, 09:54   Link #3283
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When other characters say that they're referring to the Saber class itself, not Arturia herself in specific.
Ok that explain it thanks has Arturia been summoned in different kind of class other than saber also if Gil was under saber class would he be unstoppable?
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Old 2011-12-12, 10:07   Link #3284
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Ok that explain it thanks has Arturia been summoned in different kind of class other than saber also if Gil was under saber class would he be unstoppable?
Arturia can't be summoned in any other class other than Saber. Not sure if it's due to her time paradox thingy or just the fact of her abilities, though.

Gil is already pretty much unstoppable but yeah i suppose being in the Saber class would make him more powerful.
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Old 2011-12-12, 14:30   Link #3285
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Gilgamesh has only C Rank Agility and Endurance, so his stats aren't high enough for him to be compatible with the Saber class. I'm not sure whether it was B or A, but I'm pretty sure all stats except Magic need to be atleast B or higher for a Servant to qualify for Saber class.

At least....thats what they said in the FSN VN...Saber seems to also only have C Endurance and Agility, so whether her stats were reduced because of her terrible master or whether I've misinterpreted something somewhere, something seems to be up lol.

But on top of that, I don't think Gilgamesh has the qualities to appear in the Saber class, since he isn't a particularly strong or skilled Swordsman, and his main combat style is through use of projectiles.

EDIT: I was going to write a comment about how after looking at F/Z status pages, things started to make more sense, but they really don't so I'm not gonna bother ~_~
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Old 2011-12-12, 18:43   Link #3286
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I'm not sure whether it was B or A, but I'm pretty sure all stats except Magic need to be atleast B or higher for a Servant to qualify for Saber class.
Stats are determined by class, master, and the heroic spirit themselves. Therefore, they have no specific determination on class. Arturia, for example, has a B in strength, magic, and luck. Endurance, agility, and NP are all ranked C. This obviously changes when she has a competent Master, but it just goes to show there isn't a stat threshold for a given class.

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But on top of that, I don't think Gilgamesh has the qualities to appear in the Saber class, since he isn't a particularly strong or skilled Swordsman, and his main combat style is through use of projectiles.
This is the key. He's so self-serving and egotistical that he fits perfectly with the Archer class skill Independent Action. Combine that with having a shitton of weapons, and he gets an "archery" ability.

As for Saber herself, it's likely she can only be summoned to the Saber class because of Excalibur. It's so famous that she has to conceal it. It's likely that she can't be separated from it, and it can't be changed to another weapon.
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Old 2011-12-12, 19:57   Link #3287
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I did have one question which has nothing to do with the current episode. If King Arthur had the scabbard with him when he "died" (according to the myth), then how did did it reappear in the series?
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Old 2011-12-12, 20:03   Link #3288
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He didn't have it with him when he died. I forget if he lost it or if it was stolen, but that's the only reason he was even able to be killed.
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Old 2011-12-12, 20:07   Link #3289
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I did have one question which has nothing to do with the current episode. If King Arthur had the scabbard with him when he "died" (according to the myth), then how did did it reappear in the series?
As GDB said, he did not have it when he died (obviously). But the Einzberns dug it up (or who knows what) wherever the hell it was. I'm sure it wasn't an easy task, that's for sure.

It's a good thing they did too... Shirou would have been mincemeat without it. But then again, he wouldn't have summoned Saber without it and then he wouldn't have a Servant and wouldn't need it. It's fun to think of devices like that sometimes.
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Old 2011-12-12, 20:20   Link #3290
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It's a good thing they did too... Shirou would have been mincemeat without it. But then again, he wouldn't have summoned Saber without it and then he wouldn't have a Servant and wouldn't need it. It's fun to think of devices like that sometimes.
He also wouldn't have survived the inferno without it, assuming Kiritsugu still made it to that point with a different Servant (I imagine he would).
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Old 2011-12-13, 05:28   Link #3291
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Stats are determined by class, master, and the heroic spirit themselves. Therefore, they have no specific determination on class. Arturia, for example, has a B in strength, magic, and luck. Endurance, agility, and NP are all ranked C. This obviously changes when she has a competent Master, but it just goes to show there isn't a stat threshold for a given class.
No, you're wrong. Class doesn't determine stats, it only adds(or boosts) special abilities such as magic resistance or riding or independent action

and yes, every class has base requirements needed for the heroic spirit to be summoned in it. In saber's case, it's high stats all around. Gil doesn't have high enough stats to be summoned as a saber, probably. But yes, the archer class is perfect for him
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Old 2011-12-13, 07:04   Link #3292
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and yes, every class has base requirements needed for the heroic spirit to be summoned in it. In saber's case, it's high stats all around. Gil doesn't have high enough stats to be summoned as a saber, probably. But yes, the archer class is perfect for him
Gilgamesh's stats as an Archer are better than Saber's with their fate route masters, so I'd like to know where you're getting this idea that they have a parameter prerequisite before being in a class.
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Old 2011-12-13, 09:10   Link #3293
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from Nasu. Complete materials, mainly. Also, i think there's a little misconception here, IIRC it's not the stats after the summon that matter, it's the heroic spirits own stats

but yeah, Gil probably WOULD qualify as a saber
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Old 2011-12-13, 09:13   Link #3294
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I don't think Gil would since he does not know how to wield a sword like someone from the Saber class would.
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Old 2011-12-13, 10:05   Link #3295
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I don't think Gil would since he does not know how to wield a sword like someone from the Saber class would.
...Which is why he mutilates Saber in the Fate route with a sword he clearly knows how to wield.
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Old 2011-12-13, 14:09   Link #3296
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Question:

What are the name of her swords again? (Archerko is almost canon so I was thinking of asking that one) (and what her main swords are).
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Old 2011-12-13, 14:22   Link #3297
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Archerko is almost canon so I was thinking of asking that one.
What?

I thought Archer-ko was about as canon as Kyon-ko; which is to say, not canon at all?...
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Old 2011-12-13, 14:47   Link #3298
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...Which is why he mutilates Saber in the Fate route with a sword he clearly knows how to wield.
You mean Ea? I remember something about Gil just having the treasures in his Gate and knowing very little about them or how to use them.
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Old 2011-12-13, 14:55   Link #3299
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What?

I thought Archer-ko was about as canon as Kyon-ko; which is to say, not canon at all?...
Well she was recognized by Prisma Ilya as canon (actually I thought those two as canon by now.... )
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Old 2011-12-13, 16:59   Link #3300
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Gilgamesh is good with a sword, it's just not his expertise like it is with Saber. He owns all of those weapons but he hasn't spent his life using them.

It's a different story with Ea, though. Unlike all his other weapons, that's actually his real weapon that he's skilled with.
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