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Old 2011-12-13, 17:45   Link #3301
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You mean Ea? I remember something about Gil just having the treasures in his Gate and knowing very little about them or how to use them.
If you saw the fight... Gilgamesh used the weapons one by one vs Saber.
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Old 2011-12-13, 19:03   Link #3302
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If you saw the fight... Gilgamesh used the weapons one by one vs Saber.
I'll have to go back and read it again. Is this the end of Fate?
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Old 2011-12-13, 19:13   Link #3303
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Random thought: F/Z Berserker used spirit form when he retreated, but the F/Z Assassins didn't use it to try and escape. Why?
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Old 2011-12-13, 19:18   Link #3304
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Random thought: F/Z Berserker used spirit form when he retreated, but the F/Z Assassins didn't use it to try and escape. Why?
They were in the Reality Marble. Game over, and they knew it too.
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Old 2011-12-13, 19:23   Link #3305
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Spirit form isn't a 'get out of fail free' card. Berserker escaped in Spirit form because no one pursued him. The Assassins were not only being pursued by who knows how many Servants, but they were also trapped inside Rider's Reality Marble, so even if they HAD gone spirit form and not been pursued, there wouldn't have been anywhere to go.

Its also explained a bit better in the LN, where you see
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Basically, Assassin probably couldn't have escaped anyways, but even if he had tried he had alread gimped himself by splitting into so many parts. His goal was to win at any cost simply by the sheer force of numbers, but when Rider used Ionian Hetairoi, he didn't even have that advantage and so was easily wiped out.



As far as Gilgamesh using a sword, I remember seeing it at the end of the F/SN anime but I don't remember him doing it in the VN. Even ignoring that, while Gilgamesh could use a sword, and by all means was probably quite skilled with one, his attitude and fighting style are more fitted to the Archer class, and the only sword he could be considered as having 'mastered' is Ea, which isn't really a sword. By the same logic you would expect Archer to be better suited to the Saber class, but a combination have having stats that are too low and capabilities more appropriate to the Archer class means that no matter how skilled he may or may not be with a sword, he'll still never be a Saber.
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Old 2011-12-13, 20:22   Link #3306
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Spirit form isn't a 'get out of fail free' card. Berserker escaped in Spirit form because no one pursued him. The Assassins were not only being pursued by who knows how many Servants, but they were also trapped inside Rider's Reality Marble, so even if they HAD gone spirit form and not been pursued, there wouldn't have been anywhere to go.
But they can't be seen in Spirit Form, right? So just hop into Spirit Form and run around like crazy until Iskander/Waver runs out of mana. You'd think "go invisible" would be the first reflex.

I guess it would be less dramatic that way through. And maybe some of them did do that but weren't shown.
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Old 2011-12-14, 02:59   Link #3307
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In the end, people have to lose eventually, so we'll keep coming up with reasons as to why they didn't just go invisible and escape Its an area I'm a little skeptical about in cannon, since Assassin not only can go into spiritual form to avoid being seen by humans, but he also has Presence Concealment which should've been capable of hiding them.

In the end, I don't think there will be a satisfying answer other then it just didn't happen lol.
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Old 2011-12-15, 07:58   Link #3308
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Who the hell is Higashide Yuuichirou?

Other than the fact that he wrote the Post-face for Fate Zero Vol 2 and was involved in some of the designs of the canceled Fate/Apocrypha, I can't find a damn thing about him.
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Old 2011-12-15, 13:04   Link #3309
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Apparently he wrote Kemonogari, Bullet Butlers, Princess Waltz...

Not that I'm familiar with any of those lol

EDIT: There's a list of his works on this page if you are familiar with Japanese
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Old 2011-12-17, 17:43   Link #3310
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they are all servants. Meaning they are all as strong as servants.

IMO, they're probably not on the level of saber, but most of them would probably be around average servant level, meaning, around diarmuid's level i guess...
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Old 2011-12-18, 10:58   Link #3311
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diarmuid is pretty much an average/slightly above average servant with two B rank NPs(though they're not average NPs)

no way he can take 1/4 of Alex's army. Heck, two of Alex's generals should be enough to take him out...
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Old 2011-12-18, 12:33   Link #3312
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diarmuid is pretty much an average/slightly above average servant with two B rank NPs(though they're not average NPs)

no way he can take 1/4 of Alex's army. Heck, two of Alex's generals should be enough to take him out...
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Old 2011-12-18, 15:08   Link #3313
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...those horses are hardly normal horses, you know...

seriously, they're heroic spirits, and each of them is likely individually stronger than the assassins

really, even if they had archer's shitty stats, 2 of them would still be enough to fuck up diarmuid...
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Old 2011-12-18, 17:56   Link #3314
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...those horses are hardly normal horses, you know...

seriously, they're heroic spirits, and each of them is likely individually stronger than the assassins

really, even if they had archer's shitty stats, 2 of them would still be enough to fuck up diarmuid...
Well they were moving pretty slow. Atleast from what I saw in the anime. I don't know how they're described in the light novel. How would they be able to keep up with Diarmuds speed?
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Old 2011-12-18, 20:13   Link #3315
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because they're servants...even if they're not quite as fast as diarmuid, they would still be fast and skilled enough to fight him, because they are servants...
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Old 2011-12-19, 15:18   Link #3316
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Can anyone tell me why Kotomine is the way he is?
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Old 2011-12-19, 15:57   Link #3317
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Can anyone tell me why Kotomine is the way he is?
I think that was never explained.
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Old 2011-12-19, 16:04   Link #3318
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Can anyone tell me why Kotomine is the way he is?
If you're watching the Fate/Zero anime and don't know yet you should probably wait and find out for yourself as the series progresses, but since this is a general Stay Night Q&A thread and I can't be sure of your circumstances, I'll go ahead and elucidate you.

Spoiler for Fate/Stay Night Visual Novel and Fate/Zero Episode 12:
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Old 2011-12-19, 16:38   Link #3319
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If you're watching the Fate/Zero anime and don't know yet you should probably wait and find out for yourself as the series progresses, but since this is a general Stay Night Q&A thread and I can't be sure of your circumstances, I'll go ahead and elucidate you.

Spoiler for Fate/Stay Night Visual Novel and Fate/Zero Episode 12:
Just want to add a little.
Spoiler for interpretation blabla:
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Old 2011-12-19, 17:25   Link #3320
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Just want to add a little.
Spoiler for interpretation blabla:
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