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Old 2012-06-15, 15:29   Link #3581
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Can a Reality Marble be casted inside another one? like can Archer use Unlimited Blade Works inside Ionioi Hetairoi?
A Reality Marble within a Reality Marble?!?!

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Old 2012-06-16, 18:12   Link #3582
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ok, just watched F/Z ep 24, how come kirei with all that speed and skills be easily killed by shirou in the end of F/SN? in F/SN last ep he looked totally defenseless without his Angra Mainyu
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Old 2012-06-16, 18:14   Link #3583
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ok, just watched F/Z ep 24, how come kirei with all that speed and skills be easily killed by shirou in the end of F/SN? in F/SN last ep he looked totally defenseless without his Angra Mainyu
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Old 2012-06-16, 18:44   Link #3584
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ok, just watched F/Z ep 24, how come kirei with all that speed and skills be easily killed by shirou in the end of F/SN? in F/SN last ep he looked totally defenseless without his Angra Mainyu
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Old 2012-06-16, 19:34   Link #3585
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Well, the FSN anime is based on the Fate route.
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Old 2012-06-16, 19:37   Link #3586
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Old 2012-06-16, 19:55   Link #3587
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even though, with the speed Kirei showed F/Z, he should be able to dodge shirou dagger even if it was a surprise attack. Kiritsugu attacked him at three times the speed of normal humans at his blind spot and he blocked them all in split second!! yet unable to dodge or block shirou attack even when he have more than a second to see it coming. ether urobuchi say "F**k it" to the original material and buffed him beyond reason or he was severely weakened after F/Z that if it was Kiritsugu in the end of F/SN, he would've been able to kill kirei without any problem
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Old 2012-06-16, 19:57   Link #3588
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Well, Kotomine does mention at the end something about "No wonder I got soft" after he got hit.

Shirou is in pretty good shape himself too.

It was always a question how Kotomine got hit there though even looking at the other routes. Shirou is just that epic.

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Old 2012-06-16, 20:12   Link #3589
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even though, with the speed Kirei showed F/Z, he should be able to dodge shirou dagger even if it was a surprise attack. Kiritsugu attacked him at three times the speed of normal humans at his blind spot and he blocked them all in split second!! yet unable to dodge or block shirou attack even when he have more than a second to see it coming. ether urobuchi say "F**k it" to the original material and buffed him beyond reason or he was severely weakened after F/Z that if it was Kiritsugu in the end of F/SN, he would've been able to kill kirei without any problem
No, the super-buff Kotomine was actually Nasu and Takeuchi's idea.
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Old 2012-06-16, 23:20   Link #3590
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Main Character Plot Armor.
That and because Kirei got soft in those tens years. Plus he underestimated Shirou. Getting stabbed wasn't what got him either - it was the second hit using the stored prana.

And remember, Shirou is bad ass. The anime totally missed this. God, if only ufotable would do Heaven's Feel and set everyone straight.
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Old 2012-06-16, 23:32   Link #3591
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He fell into the mud afterwards too.
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Old 2012-06-17, 00:21   Link #3592
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That and because Kirei got soft in those tens years.
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Old 2012-06-17, 02:45   Link #3593
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You guys sure sell Shirou short . We're talking about the person who becomes gArcher. More than anything though, Kotomine was shocked and Shirou was quick. The surprise is what got him.
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Old 2012-06-17, 03:09   Link #3594
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Correction: I sell Fate Shirou short. UBW or HF Shirou were different beasts altogether.
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Old 2012-06-17, 03:13   Link #3595
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so can kirei, at his full strength, kill a F/Z assassin in an one-on-one fight?
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Old 2012-06-17, 10:17   Link #3596
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Depends. Though they didn't really cover it in the anime, though i'm not sure if it was in the novel or in the side material, they do mention that each of the different Assassins that make up Assassin/Zero have different strengths, weaknesses, and general abilities.

I'm sure there are a number of them he could plaster, but that being said depending on what those individual strengths and weaknesses are, there could be a fair number that can defeat him as well.

If I had to generalize about Assassin as a whole though, I would speculate that without the command spells Kirei would definitely lose, and with them he would still probably have a difficult time. He only beat True Assassin in HF because of baiting him into using his Noble Phantasm at an inopportune time, so against an Assassin who doesn't have that Noble Phantasm to use he might not be able to find such a convenient opening.
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Old 2012-06-17, 11:23   Link #3597
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so can kirei, at his full strength, kill a F/Z assassin in an one-on-one fight?
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Old 2012-06-17, 20:15   Link #3598
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Old 2012-06-17, 20:17   Link #3599
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It happened in ep24. Watch it again.
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Old 2012-06-17, 20:27   Link #3600
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It happened in ep24. Watch it again.
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