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Old 2012-08-11, 12:30   Link #3881
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Avalon was also what kept him alive long enough in the beginning after getting Gae Bolg'd for Rin to save him.
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Old 2012-08-11, 12:33   Link #3882
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I was thinking more like, his whole mission there is to kill Shirou (he wants to prevent "himself" from becoming Archer). I was thinking he'd do everything to get Shirou down, and then just concede his life, or run away, to prevent the whole loop-hole thing.
Kiritsugu place Avalon in Shirou at the End of Fate/Zero to save his life. it is always been in Shirou until near the end of Fate when he gave it back to Saber.
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Old 2012-08-11, 14:17   Link #3883
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He had Avalon the entire time. Were you not paying attention? That's how he survived being cleaved in half by Berserker, among other instances of fatal actions.

And letting Berserker kill everyone wouldn't accomplish anything. He didn't want "Shirou to die", he wanted "Shirou to die by Emiya's hand", thus creating a paradox and deleting himself, and likely the entirety of that reality, all in one go.
I thought you meant the actual effect of Avalon. The passive regeneration doesn't help too much against surprise attacks like with the Student Council guy, as he just dies instantly.

Okay, okay, I'll concede this. I'm not that knowledgeable about FSN/Type Moon anyway. Just liked the game.

...except when stuff like Souichirou Kuzuki randomly leaving Rin and Shirou alone, happens. XD
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Old 2012-08-11, 16:52   Link #3884
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He didn't have Avalon until the very end, at the fight against Kirei, though, right?
It was actually the other way around. He gave away Avalon to Saber before the fight against Kirei, so she could face Gilgamesh at full power.
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Old 2012-08-12, 04:18   Link #3885
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It was actually the other way around. He gave away Avalon to Saber before the fight against Kirei, so she could face Gilgamesh at full power.
I meant the impenetrable shield. It was only usable in the end, since he gave it to Sayba.
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Old 2012-08-12, 13:03   Link #3886
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Okay, another question. XD

Spoiler for UBW:
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Old 2012-08-12, 13:03   Link #3887
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The power of WILLPOWER
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Old 2012-08-12, 13:26   Link #3888
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The power of WILLPOWER
More like the power of retconning an ass pull.
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Old 2012-08-12, 15:12   Link #3889
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Old 2012-08-12, 15:18   Link #3890
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Not sure if anybody asked, but how many command seals did Kirei have in his possession ? Anime wise F/Z, it said 9 against Kiritsugu. He gave 2 away to Kariya earlier. But, in FSN, I think he burned at least 10 seals.
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Old 2012-08-12, 15:30   Link #3891
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He had to get new seals for Lancer if I recall.
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Old 2012-08-12, 15:34   Link #3892
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He didn't need Lancer's seals, he just had to KO the Master to get a chance to contract with Lancer.
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Old 2012-08-12, 15:35   Link #3893
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Though it wouldn't surprise me at all if he did steal her Command Spells.
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Old 2012-08-12, 15:35   Link #3894
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Probably did.
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Old 2012-08-12, 15:39   Link #3895
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Though it wouldn't surprise me at all if he did steal her Command Spells.
Even so, he has an additional three, he needs at least 7 more to make up for that 10.

Assuming he also lost his F/Z seals when Kiritsugu killed him.

Another answer is that the Grail somehow is giving him unlimited seals.
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Old 2012-08-12, 15:41   Link #3896
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I don't think anyone assumed he lost those Command seals in F/Z
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Old 2012-08-12, 16:17   Link #3897
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I don't think anyone assumed he lost those Command seals in F/Z
But the thing is that if the Master dies, he will lose the seals. Refer to Ryuunosuke.

Which brings back to another question: HOW does the administator even get extra command seals. I can't imagine the church going to the survivors of the wars and say, "Oh, the grail is over. Therefore, please transfer your seals to this man. Or you will die."
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Old 2012-08-12, 16:23   Link #3898
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Fate/Zero is kind of shaky on canon. I'm pretty sure the seals remain as materialized pockets of mana that can be removed.

Maybe there's an answer though...
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Old 2012-08-12, 16:39   Link #3899
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They need to remain post-mortum since, otherwise, cutting off an arm wouldn't allow one to take the seals. It's not like the arm is going "Okay, the body's still alive, so I gotta keep these seals here" or anything.

That's also likely where the Judge's extra seals come from.
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Mind you guys that alexander the great was documented as a homosexual in real life.
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