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Old 2013-09-06, 03:56   Link #4341
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Old 2013-09-06, 05:05   Link #4342
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That's just a nickname not its real name.

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Old 2013-09-06, 05:44   Link #4343
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I'm sorry. So very sorry.

It's just. I feel so enlightened.
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Old 2013-09-06, 11:51   Link #4344
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You mean the "understanding the structure" part. And that's not entirely correct. I refer once again to the Ea example.
Ea is a special case, and explicitly shown as such. Shirou can't understand that because it's made of materials he can't comprehend.
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Old 2013-09-06, 12:21   Link #4345
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When did Medusa fail to seduce Waver?
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Old 2013-09-06, 12:46   Link #4346
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When did Medusa fail to seduce Waver?
A better question is when would they have met? Medusa was only in the 5th war and never left Furuyuki, whereas Waver was only in the 4th war and didn't go back to Japan from the time of the 5th war onwards in the HF route.
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Old 2013-09-06, 14:17   Link #4347
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They would have met if they all visited the Magic Association.

I'm currently investigating (original post from Beast's Lair)
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Old 2013-09-06, 14:32   Link #4348
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Why would they visit the Clocktower? Even moreso, why would the Clocktower let them visit and then let them leave?
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Old 2013-09-06, 14:38   Link #4349
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As I recall it was only used twice. Once to defend against Gae Bolg in UBW, and once to cushion Excalibur in HF.

EDIT: Oh wait didn't Archer also use it after Shirou defeated Gilgamesh who was trying to take Shirou down with him? Someone else needs to confirm this tho.
In UBW (the route), Archer used it once to defend against Gae Bolg, then once again to save Shirou when Gilgamesh was about to finish him off:
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Q: In the end of the Rin route, was it Shirou that projected Rho Aias in the Shirou vs Gilgamesh fight? Or was it Archer? In Fate/side material, it's said that it was projection magic from Archer, but in the story, there was the depiction of Shirou "pulling the shield from the hill". Does this mean that this switched to Archer's scene?
A: This has been easy to misunderstand, but the part about Archer supporting Shirou was the time before Shirou pulled out Rho Aias, before Shirou came to his realization. After Shirou's monologue about his surprise that he was still alive after taking Gil's attack, "If I survived, there must have been a reason why I survived. But that was simply something I didn't have any control over." That was the "Rho Aias" that Archer made to help Shirou in a way that wouldn't let Gilgamesh know there was someone else waiting to ambush him.
The quote refers to the moment when Shirou was down for the count against Gil and was about to give up. Gil was quite clearly going to finish him off, but it's implied that *something* kept Shirou alive. That something was Archer using Rho Aias without either of the two knowing.




Then later, Shirou used it once against Gilgamesh before summoning UBW (the reality marble), but used his entire body to project it instead of just his hand and got only four petals.

When Gilgamesh was disappearing into the Grail's void and tried to take Shirou with him using Enkidu, Archer just fired a sword straight into Gil's head, forcing him to let go.

In HF, Shirou (with Archer's arm) used it once against Saber.

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Old 2013-09-06, 14:55   Link #4350
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In UBW (the route), Archer used it once to defend against Gae Bolg. Shirou used it once against Gilgamesh before summoning UBW (the reality marble), but used his entire body to project it instead of just his hand and got only four petals.

When Gilgamesh was disappearing into the Grail's void and tried to take Shirou with him using Enkidu, Archer just fired a sword straight into Gil's head, forcing him to let go.

In HF, Shirou (with Archer's arm) used it once against Saber.
You are forgetting that Archer also seems to have used it to protect Shirou against Gilgamesh before Shirou himself used Rho Aias in that scene.

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Q: In the end of the Rin route, was it Shirou that projected Rho Aias in the Shirou vs Gilgamesh fight? Or was it Archer? In Fate/side material, it's said that it was projection magic from Archer, but in the story, there was the depiction of Shirou "pulling the shield from the hill". Does this mean that this switched to Archer's scene?
A: This has been easy to misunderstand, but the part about Archer supporting Shirou was the time before Shirou pulled out Rho Aias, before Shirou came to his realization. After Shirou's monologue about his surprise that he was still alive after taking Gil's attack, "If I survived, there must have been a reason why I survived. But that was simply something I didn't have any control over." That was the "Rho Aias" that Archer made to help Shirou in a way that wouldn't let Gilgamesh know there was someone else waiting to ambush him.
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Old 2013-09-06, 15:16   Link #4351
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You are forgetting that Archer also seems to have used it to protect Shirou against Gilgamesh before Shirou himself used Rho Aias in that scene.
See above. I edited my post while you were quoting it.
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Old 2013-09-06, 16:59   Link #4352
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Why is a magus unwelcome in the Magic Association?
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Old 2013-09-06, 17:08   Link #4353
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See above. I edited my post while you were quoting it.
I see. Than you can ignore my correction.

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Why is a magus unwelcome in the Magic Association?
It has probably to do with the sealing designation.

If someone of great value got their attention they would like to seal him so that they are able to study that person.
This probably also applies to artifacts and other magical things, like servants.

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Old 2013-09-06, 17:26   Link #4354
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Yeah it seems the drama CD doesn't exist. However I found a few interesting drama CDs.

- Rider (Iskandar) meeting Taiga.
- Kiritsugu having a close call with Kirei.
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Old 2013-09-07, 09:35   Link #4355
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Why would they visit the Clocktower? Even moreso, why would the Clocktower let them visit and then let them leave?
Post-HF, and to visit Rin presumably. Alternately, Waver could have visited them.

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It has probably to do with the sealing designation.

If someone of great value got their attention they would like to seal him so that they are able to study that person.
This probably also applies to artifacts and other magical things, like servants.
Well, they could attempt to seal Sakura, at least. It would be a very brave magus who tried such a thing, though....
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Old 2013-09-07, 10:20   Link #4356
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Post-HF, and to visit Rin presumably. Alternately, Waver could have visited them.

Well, they could attempt to seal Sakura, at least. It would be a very brave magus who tried such a thing, though....
That's just it, though. For some reason, I doubt that such proud magi would let friends and family just visit one of the students. It kind of has a Hogwarts feel, in that if you want to see friends or family you go to them, they don't go to you. Even if they did, both Rider and Sakura would be hunted mercilessly for how exceptionally unique they are. And if they found out why Shirou was how he was, they'd go after him too.

As for Waver visiting them, what possible reason would there be for that? What even exists that implies he would ever do such a thing? Furthermore, why would Rider even try to seduce him even if they did meet? She's not a freaking succubus.
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Old 2013-09-07, 11:07   Link #4357
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Where did the original question of "when did Medusa fail to seduce Waver" even come from?
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Old 2013-09-08, 22:28   Link #4358
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I have watched up to the ninth episode, but is it true that this season only lasts 10 episodes?
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Old 2013-09-09, 07:37   Link #4359
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I have watched up to the ninth episode, but is it true that this season only lasts 10 episodes?
If you mean Fate/kaleid liner PRISMA☆ILLYA, yeah, the first season has only 10 episodes.
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Old 2013-09-09, 14:00   Link #4360
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That's just it, though. For some reason, I doubt that such proud magi would let friends and family just visit one of the students. It kind of has a Hogwarts feel, in that if you want to see friends or family you go to them, they don't go to you. Even if they did, both Rider and Sakura would be hunted mercilessly for how exceptionally unique they are. And if they found out why Shirou was how he was, they'd go after him too.

As for Waver visiting them, what possible reason would there be for that? What even exists that implies he would ever do such a thing? Furthermore, why would Rider even try to seduce him even if they did meet? She's not a freaking succubus.
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As long as they kept their head low, they should not run into any problems.

Medusa seducing Waver is a joke from the All Around Type Moon Drama CD. Not much more to it than that.
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