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Old 2013-11-26, 18:04   Link #4661
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But didn't Kiritsugu have a catalyst?
he had Avalon.
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Old 2013-11-26, 18:28   Link #4662
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Yah, he had Avalon. It was given to him by head of Eizebern family who had it for generations.
It was originally inside Irisviel, she gave it later to him and in the end it ended in Shirou.
And boy ,did it saved Shirou trough Fate/Zero and Stay Night....
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Old 2013-11-26, 18:28   Link #4663
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I think bhl88 meant that since Kiritsugu had the catalyst why did he bother enciting the incantation (since the catalyst is able to bypass the incantation as pointed out by Rising Dragon).
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Old 2013-11-26, 18:30   Link #4664
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I think bhl88 meant that since Kiritsugu had the catalyst why did he bother enciting the incantation.
To make it look epic. I mean, Kiritsugu would look like an oddball if he was the only one excluded from the incantation in Ufotable.
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Old 2013-11-26, 18:39   Link #4665
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Ah right. I shouldn't have asked that question. For epic does not need logic XD
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Old 2013-11-26, 18:44   Link #4666
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The incantation can be heard by the summonee, if Gilgamesh is any indication. It's respectful. Not like he was in danger or anything so he had time to do the incantation. Shirou, on the other hand, lucked out with the catalyst because he was too worried about becoming a Shiroukabob... again.
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Old 2013-11-26, 23:21   Link #4667
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So if all you need is the catalyst, and most mages will have 60 years to get one between wars, why they even bother with the incantation? Seems like a waste of time aside from summoning Berserker.
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Old 2013-11-26, 23:25   Link #4668
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Not everyone uses a catalyst.
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Old 2013-11-26, 23:34   Link #4669
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Yes but think about it. With the catalyst I don’t need to say a word: why are they saying it? Besides won’t make more sense to get a good catalyst and then summon a powerful Servant than to hope the Grail doesn’t screw you over with a useless Heroic Spirit? In any way my question is for those that actually use it.
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Old 2013-11-26, 23:38   Link #4670
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As I mentioned before: it's respectful to the Servant being summoned. They can hear it. Gilgamesh says as much when he comments on his own summoning to Kirei.

Think about it. If you were a renowned hero of old, would YOU appreciate it if your summoner did the equivalent of "Hey, you, get your ass out here."?
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Old 2013-11-26, 23:58   Link #4671
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I still see no real use on it, but seems fair enough.
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Old 2013-11-27, 04:49   Link #4672
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So if all you need is the catalyst, and most mages will have 60 years to get one between wars, why they even bother with the incantation? Seems like a waste of time aside from summoning Berserker.
I'm not sure, but I got the impression it would negatively effect the stats of the servant if the incantations weren't used.
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Old 2013-11-27, 05:51   Link #4673
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In F/Z, Zouken made Kariya encite extra lines in the incantation in order to add the "Berserk" property to his servant. Was this to make sure he would get Berserker as a servant, or to increase his servants strength? If it's the latter, what is the terms of conditions of adding extra properties to servants? I don't see any reason not to do it, but the only master that did it was Kariya.
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Old 2013-11-27, 08:57   Link #4674
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I'm not sure, but I got the impression it would negatively effect the stats of the servant if the incantations weren't used.
It'd make sense. While Shirou wasn't a good master to begin with, his connection with Saber was pretty bad due to the way she was summoned. Instead of a standard mana flow that other masters gave, he had to manually inject mana into her. Otherwise, she only had what she was able to produce/store.
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Old 2013-11-27, 09:25   Link #4675
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In F/Z, Zouken made Kariya encite extra lines in the incantation in order to add the "Berserk" property to his servant. Was this to make sure he would get Berserker as a servant, or to increase his servants strength? If it's the latter, what is the terms of conditions of adding extra properties to servants? I don't see any reason not to do it, but the only master that did it was Kariya.
Both. The Servant should have at least have gone Berserk while he was still alive.
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Old 2013-11-27, 10:05   Link #4676
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To be a bit more precise, the extra lines causes him to summon Berserker no matter what. Being summoned as Berserker is what increases the Servant's stats, not the incantation itself.

The only classes who can be specified beforehand are Berserker and Assassin.
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Old 2013-11-27, 10:08   Link #4677
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To be a bit more precise, the extra lines causes him to summon Berserker no matter what. Being summoned as Berserker is what increases the Servant's stats, not the incantation itself.

The only classes who can be specified beforehand are Berserker and Assassin.
He probably meant additional requirements besides the lines
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Old 2013-11-28, 05:15   Link #4678
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So what happens if more than one master tries to summon berserker?
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Old 2013-11-28, 06:04   Link #4679
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So what happens if more than one master tries to summon berserker?
I assume only the first will succeed.

It seems the Berserker enchantment is only added after the main enchantment is done. This could mean if two people where both trying to summon Berserker at the same time only the first would get him and the other would get his servant placed in a different class.

I'm purely speculating so I could be wrong.
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Old 2013-12-02, 16:19   Link #4680
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At what point/what made Saber realize that Avalon was inside Shirou? In ep 20 she replenished Avalon's mana by touching Shirou to heal him.
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