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Old 2006-06-03, 11:13   Link #801
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No...Shirou's not always using UBW...When he's using UBW he'll be in his world of swords, not reality. And it takes mana to maintain UBW, as well.
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Old 2006-06-03, 11:17   Link #802
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i think shirou has mana but its just locked up and he doesnt know how to release it...i think he only managed to trace caliburn (VS berserker) because he was emotionally unstable and its was a one off event...if you ask him to trace it just suddenly he wont be able to...because he still hasnt mastered how to use all his hidden mana yet...
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Old 2006-06-03, 11:58   Link #803
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i think shirou has mana but its just locked up and he doesnt know how to release it...i think he only managed to trace caliburn (VS berserker) because he was emotionally unstable and its was a one off event...if you ask him to trace it just suddenly he wont be able to...because he still hasnt mastered how to use all his hidden mana yet...
I 100% to this.
Usually a magician has multiple magic circuits for higher mana capacity and recovery rate, so when they train the create more circuits on their own. However Shirou does not know this and he thought when a magican uses magic they have to construct one everytime. So you can see Shirou using only one magic circuit most of the time in the anime. However when Shirou's 'emotionally unstable' he would manage to 'unlock' the rest of the unused magic circuit.

Question to add fater this:
Does anyone know or have pictures of the command lines of other masters apart from Rin and Shirou?
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Old 2006-06-03, 12:09   Link #804
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I 100% to this.
Usually a magician has multiple magic circuits for higher mana capacity and recovery rate, so when they train the create more circuits on their own. However Shirou does not know this and he thought when a magican uses magic they have to construct one everytime. So you can see Shirou using only one magic circuit most of the time in the anime. However when Shirou's 'emotionally unstable' he would manage to 'unlock' the rest of the unused magic circuit.

Question to add fater this:
Does anyone know or have pictures of the command lines of other masters apart from Rin and Shirou?
In episode 22, some are shown. I'll post the pics if I have time, ie. not now.
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Old 2006-06-03, 13:45   Link #805
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No...Shirou's not always using UBW...When he's using UBW he'll be in his world of swords, not reality. And it takes mana to maintain UBW, as well.
I think he's always using it. What takes mana is to extend UBW to the surrounding reality, but it's always active inside the user's soul, for free.

About his tracing abilities, I don't know if this is 100% true, but this explains it much better than I did:
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Shirō's true talents lie in a more advanced form of Reinforcement, known as Tracing. This skill allows him to transmute the form of existing objects through his imagination. With this ability, Shirō is able to transform ordinary objects like wooden branches into metal swords. However, Tracing requires a large amount of Mana and concentration, and replication is limited by the raw materials available for transmutation. Furthermore, all transmuted objects suffer a degradation in quality, making this ability almost useless in combat.

However, Shirō has been unconsciously developing his ultimate skill, a variant of Archer's Reality Marble, Unlimited Blade Works, since he first started studying sorcery under Kiritsugu. Shirō's Reality Marble provides him with a world where all the components needed to facilitate tracing exist, allowing the recreation of any object Shirō has ever seen. In contrast to normal tracing, he can create objects from nothing, without having to modify an existing element.
I think Shirou using the power of his latent Reality Marble is the explanation that makes most sense.

Last edited by aldeayeah; 2006-06-04 at 10:01. Reason: fixing the Imaging/Tracing confusion
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Old 2006-06-03, 14:33   Link #806
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This is 100% true.

Shirou's Tracing abilities are this good thanks to his Reality Marble. Because he can bring things out of 'nowhere', his abilities are limited to the raw materials that are in UBW, which means he can create almost everything but Ea and others EX ranked Noble Phantasms.
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Old 2006-06-03, 17:02   Link #807
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This is 100% true.

Shirou's Tracing abilities are this good thanks to his Reality Marble. Because he can bring things out of 'nowhere', his abilities are limited to the raw materials that are in UBW, which means he can create almost everything but Ea and others EX ranked Noble Phantasms.
Shirou's a talented magican with a lot of potential...because he is...(pm me for huge game spoiler)...
Also, there's some problems with his tracing...he learned tracing before reinforcement, which is funny since reinforcement is the basics of tracing. However it wasn't explained in the anime.
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Old 2006-06-03, 23:10   Link #808
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Got another question.

During the Archer/Berserker fight, Rin's command spells seemed to be disappearing throughout the fight. What was causing that? As far as I can tell, a servant can die and the master can still keep the command spells and make pacts with other servants.
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Old 2006-06-03, 23:15   Link #809
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We had that discussion a while back. The result: no conclusion, because none of us have reliable resources to explain it. Though we all(hopefully) agreed on the assumption that a command spell becomes transparent and unseen when a master is not contracted with a servant.
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Old 2006-06-03, 23:25   Link #810
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I see. Thanks a lot for your insight.

Another question: During the Archer/Berserker fight, Archer called Ilya by that name, and Ilya was surprised. Why did Archer call her that? Did he know her from before? Or will the answer have some type of game spoiler?

EDIT: Nevermind this question. I was reading through some threads and I asked an idiotic question. Got the answer to the question.

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Old 2006-06-04, 03:54   Link #811
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Is it known how the Unlimited Blade Works speech or w/e you want to call it came into existence? Was it just made up or something?
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Old 2006-06-04, 05:09   Link #812
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Regarding the whole Assassin class, I didn't know that it was also available to "other" people than the Sabbah.

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Is it known how the Unlimited Blade Works speech or w/e you want to call it came into existence? Was it just made up or something?
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Old 2006-06-04, 09:49   Link #813
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You're absolutely right, so I'll reedit my posts to call things by their proper name.
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Old 2006-06-04, 12:58   Link #814
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Is it known how Archer came up with them then?
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Old 2006-06-05, 00:59   Link #815
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Not really. The writer is pretty ambigious about how he obtain this ability.
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Old 2006-06-05, 06:49   Link #816
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All we know is that Archer somehow realizes this ability during his lifetime. That's pretty much it.
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Old 2006-06-05, 14:19   Link #817
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Maybe he realized it whereas he was fighting with Gil . Aaaa i'm still hoping for a UBW ( And I bet that it'll happen ) Never mind ... But I'm wondering, do we know how Archer invented this poem ? How did he get the idea to invent a poem just for starting his realty marble ?
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Old 2006-06-05, 15:57   Link #818
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The chant acts like a trigger. Without it, UBW cannot expand. Or so we think.

As we said earlier, we suppose the chant is here to tell about the soul of the Reality Marble user. Hence, it describes the Reality Marble itself.
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Old 2006-06-05, 15:59   Link #819
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Question regarding Gilgamesh:

It should take a lot of mana for one to just summon their noble phantasms right? I remember Shirou noting how Saber was exhausted just from summoning her noble phantasm during the fight with Berserker. So for Gilgamesh to summon so many noble phantasms, does that mean he has a whole ton of mana? Or does that mean that simply he is an exception and does not require much mana to summon his noble phantasms due to gate of babylon?
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Old 2006-06-05, 16:07   Link #820
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Question regarding Gilgamesh:

It should take a lot of mana for one to just summon their noble phantasms right? I remember Shirou noting how Saber was exhausted just from summoning her noble phantasm during the fight with Berserker. So for Gilgamesh to summon so many noble phantasms, does that mean he has a whole ton of mana? Or does that mean that simply he is an exception and does not require much mana to summon his noble phantasms due to gate of babylon?
A bit of both. But mainly because he has a ton of mana thanks to the Holy Grail's content that spilt onto him during the last war.
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