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Old 2007-10-14, 07:56   Link #1481
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Lukannon said; With the aberration of Gram, there are only two logical explanations: Either he possesses all the origins, or he possesses all the weapons(and only brought out the origins because they're more useful for his purposes). With Durandal, Vajra, Houtengeki, and Harpe thrown in, it complicates the issue, since they don't seem to have been the origin of anything, so far as I can tell(but again, I'm probably wrong).
i thought a servant/spirit/counterguardian could aquire more noble phantasms even after their "dead"...eg if gil throws away (permenantly) one of his millions of swords and iono...archer decides to keep it wouldnt that make it archers phantasm? =/ maybe im wrong...
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Old 2007-10-14, 14:28   Link #1482
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i thought a servant/spirit/counterguardian could aquire more noble phantasms even after their "dead"...eg if gil throws away (permenantly) one of his millions of swords and iono...archer decides to keep it wouldnt that make it archers phantasm? =/ maybe im wrong...
Good question. However Noble Phantasms cannot be 'traded' between counter guardians--they are already dead and can't have any growths. A heroic spirit is a crystallization of the wish of people and their image is fixed after it's been defined. Even if a hero throws away her sword the sword will still belong to its original owner and can't be utilized by others. They can keep it and hold onto it, but they still won't be able to unleash their properties.
And also, gil's swords aren't his Noble Phantasm. It's the gate that's the phantasm and the swords are simply 'ammo' that can be treated as Noble Phantasms.

Note: even if a servant destroys their own Noble Phantasm(via any means), he still 'owns' the weapon, but only the later form(even in the form of shards). If the servant disappears their Noble Phantasms will also disappear along with them.
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Old 2007-10-15, 00:25   Link #1483
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Good question. However Noble Phantasms cannot be 'traded' between counter guardians--they are already dead and can't have any growths. A heroic spirit is a crystallization of the wish of people and their image is fixed after it's been defined. Even if a hero throws away her sword the sword will still belong to its original owner and can't be utilized by others. They can keep it and hold onto it, but they still won't be able to unleash their properties.
And also, gil's swords aren't his Noble Phantasm. It's the gate that's the phantasm and the swords are simply 'ammo' that can be treated as Noble Phantasms.

Note: even if a servant destroys their own Noble Phantasm(via any means), he still 'owns' the weapon, but only the later form(even in the form of shards). If the servant disappears their Noble Phantasms will also disappear along with them.
if its a crystalization of the pplz wishes then wouldnt saber automatically -> a guy...cuz like...no one knew "he" was a "she" =/...and that would also mean eg if suddenly pplz decided to spread the rumour that gil had AIDS...and the rumor spread world wide wouldnt that mean gil would be summoned with AIDS? *headache* maybe im thinkin to much bout this XD
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Old 2007-10-15, 02:46   Link #1484
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I don't know if anyone's already asked this question or not, but could someone explain the meaning of the title of the series to me? Why is it called fate/stay night with the odd "/" in the title? Thanks in advance for you time.
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Old 2007-10-15, 10:31   Link #1485
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if its a crystalization of the pplz wishes then wouldnt saber automatically -> a guy...cuz like...no one knew "he" was a "she" =/...and that would also mean eg if suddenly pplz decided to spread the rumour that gil had AIDS...and the rumor spread world wide wouldnt that mean gil would be summoned with AIDS? *headache* maybe im thinkin to much bout this XD
Only the power of it is affacted by the people. The vessel isn't.

As for the title, dig up on older posts on this topic, you'll eventually find it.
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Old 2007-10-16, 17:15   Link #1486
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was Fate/Zero and or Fate/ Hallow antraxia ever made into manga or were they just the H-games?
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Old 2007-10-16, 21:20   Link #1487
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Fate/Zero is not a visual novel, a mistake of many, but it is just a novel. Traditional, words printed on paper novel. Neither have been adapted into mangas yet.
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Old 2007-10-17, 09:20   Link #1488
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I just re-watched FSN (got myself depressed again for Saber leaving).... and I'm wondering if there are better versions in terms of video quality and resolution than what I have (h264+AAC 704x400). In other words, has FSN ever been aired in HD before? I presume that buying the DVD would be the best option to get the best viewing experience, but are there any HD versions out there? I tried searching for other fansubs but there aren't any. It's such a waste that this wonderful series can't be watched in full HD goodness. Pardon me if this is a useless question.
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Old 2007-10-17, 17:04   Link #1489
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Fate/Zero is not a visual novel, a mistake of many, but it is just a novel. Traditional, words printed on paper novel. Neither have been adapted into mangas yet.
i see so was there one made (i know was a h-game) for fate/ hallow antraxia?
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Old 2007-10-18, 21:27   Link #1490
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ok new thought-questions

1. if servants cant gain new noble phantasms post-mortem then how is it possible for shiro to return avalon? ;P as it was stolen in Sabers lifetime it shouldnt fall into the condition of being bound to her spirit

2. why doesnt Saber be all like "lol shiro i knew ur father" or something along those lines
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Old 2007-10-19, 08:38   Link #1491
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ok new thought-questions

1. if servants cant gain new noble phantasms post-mortem then how is it possible for shiro to return avalon? ;P as it was stolen in Sabers lifetime it shouldnt fall into the condition of being bound to her spirit

2. why doesnt Saber be all like "lol shiro i knew ur father" or something along those lines
Shirou returns Saber's Avalon. You can loose your own belongings but it still belongs to you. Or do you want to say if I stole your computer it will no longer belong to you anymore? : P

I don't understand question two, can you be more specific?
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Old 2007-10-19, 08:51   Link #1492
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Shirou returns Saber's Avalon. You can loose your own belongings but it still belongs to you. Or do you want to say if I stole your computer it will no longer belong to you anymore? : P

I don't understand question two, can you be more specific?
ok in fate/zero saber is shiro's "fathers" servant (i dont need spoilers do i?...)
and seeing as its b4 shiro summons her wouldnt she be like "omfg i knew ur dad" or something?
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Old 2007-10-19, 10:09   Link #1493
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Well Saber hates Shirou's father so I guess she would avoid that topic?
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Old 2007-10-19, 21:44   Link #1494
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Well Saber hates Shirou's father so I guess she would avoid that topic?
but still, she knows
Spoiler for possible spoiler?:
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Old 2007-10-20, 02:58   Link #1495
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I was just guessing. Can you think of any reason?
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Old 2007-10-20, 05:07   Link #1496
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I was just guessing. Can you think of any reason?
a logical conclusion would be that the servants memory of a grail war gets wiped when they leave it...but then
Spoiler for just to be safe:
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Old 2007-10-20, 07:38   Link #1497
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When a servant is summoned, it's actually the copy of the original that's sent out, when they're done with their job they simply disappear. However, because Saber is not a heroic spirit before she becomes a servant, her actual spirit is sent out all the time, so she gets to keep the memories. Same/similar case goes for Archer.
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Old 2007-10-20, 08:44   Link #1498
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When a servant is summoned, it's actually the copy of the original that's sent out, when they're done with their job they simply disappear. However, because Saber is not a heroic spirit before she becomes a servant, her actual spirit is sent out all the time, so she gets to keep the memories. Same/similar case goes for Archer.
what about true assassin(s) and their collective memory...
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Old 2007-10-20, 10:52   Link #1499
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When a servant is summoned, it's actually the copy of the original that's sent out, when they're done with their job they simply disappear. However, because Saber is not a heroic spirit before she becomes a servant, her actual spirit is sent out all the time, so she gets to keep the memories. Same/similar case goes for Archer.
Slightly off.

Archer's a regular heroic spirit, so it's his copy that's being sent out. When the job is done, all of the Heroic Spirits get a record of what their copies did. Note that this is only a record, and not an actual memory, so they never really experienced anything.

But you are correct on Saber's case.

As for Saber and Kiritsugu:

According to Saber, she did not want to mention the fact that:

1) She's an exception to Heroic Spirits
2) She didn't want to tell Shirou how Kiritsugu was like

Additionally, she was able to recall Illya.
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Old 2007-10-20, 12:20   Link #1500
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As usual, Archer to save the day! :kisses Archer: (how many times have I kissed Archer already? he's just so realiable!)

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