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Old 2006-07-17, 00:09   Link #181
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Keeping on with the topic that has been discussed lately, Saito will have to cope with his current (slavery) contract to Louise and whatever punishments that may follow due to his rebellious stance.

But, he makes the point clear that won't be allowing the pompous step on him without giving them fight except for Louise, because she pawns him from head to toe.

The loser boy that unexpectedly pulls out a power boost on his self-esteem and courage is one of my favorite anime twists. It raises on the momentum to keep the audience enthralled and making care more for the loser male, normally coming when the loser is pressured, stressed, or finding himself under a mortal danger.

After the crisis goes off, he returns to his perverted, pathetic, and lanky demeanor ready to be slapped by the strong-will but fragile-hearted main female that at first denies that feels something for him.

Saito scored two points: one for beating that two-timing Guiche, and another for his resolve that briefly touched Louise's heart; yep, Kirche has instinctively acknowledge him cooly handsome after putting up a best fight.
I disagree with Saito being qualified as a loser-boy ... so far. Aside from his commoner status and current situation (far, far away from home), he's been pretty spunky, except to the hand that feeds him (quite literally). He shows that he's pretty realistic without displaying the typical wussy/depressed behavior that's practically part of the harem male protagonists' gene pool. Also, especially with Louise, his primary reaction is to oppose her haughty demands until she corners him with the survival card.

Imo what really stood up in this episode wasn't his duel with Guiche (any typical male protagonist would've ended up doing it), but the scene before it where he exposes and embarasses him in public for two-timing for the sake of revenge. You don't see too many male protagonists that would do such a thing.

He scored real big on the worthiness scale for that part
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Old 2006-07-17, 00:42   Link #182
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I disagree with Saito being qualified as a loser-boy ... so far. Aside from his commoner status and current situation (far, far away from home), he's been pretty spunky, except to the hand that feeds him (quite literally). He shows that he's pretty realistic without displaying the typical wussy/depressed behavior that's practically part of the harem male protagonists' gene pool. Also, especially with Louise, his primary reaction is to oppose her haughty demands until she corners him with the survival card.

Imo what really stood up in this episode wasn't his duel with Guiche (any typical male protagonist would've ended up doing it), but the scene before it where he exposes and embarasses him in public for two-timing for the sake of revenge. You don't see too many male protagonists that would do such a thing.

He scored real big on the worthiness scale for that part
and I agree with you disagreeing about Saito being a loser-wuss male protagonist. one of the early signs of him being quite "unique" [compared to other male leads] was right after Louise [mis[casted that mute spell. Saitou was saying, knowing he couldn't be understood, that he was just holding back and will forcefully do something. he seemed ready to pounce on her it's just that Louise started understanding what he's saying.

and then to have so much guts to humiliate someone like Guiche, although Saito is uncaring about the whole noble-commoner thing... plus, he tends to make these witty/sarcastic comments every now and then.
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Old 2006-07-17, 07:10   Link #183
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Saito's generally a better main character...He isn't so cliche in that sense, since he's neither (1) a wuss or someone who starts out a weakling or (2) He's overpowered or filled with a sense of justice all the time.

The anime's headed in the right direction so far...Hope it gets better, what with the comparisons to SnS.
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Old 2006-07-17, 07:21   Link #184
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Derflinger's voice was a little meh for me, I bet I'm not the only one who wanted Iwada Mitsuo's voice here (that hentai book Marco in Shakugan no Shana). ^^;

Thats how i had imagined delfinger as well.

Its too bad, i think they missed an opportunity there.
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Old 2006-07-17, 07:27   Link #185
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indeed. To be honest, we could start now since it is now very very easy to obtain the Japanese Novels, the only problem is Translators.

At the moment all our translators are tied up with Suzumiya Haruhi.

Of course we are always recruiting Translators, so if anyone is determined to undertake this task, and is also dedicated, please do not hesistate to contact me.
And luckily, it seems that Zero no Tsukaima was a farily easy read compared to some of the other stuff I've run across. However, I haven't read Haruhi, so I don't know exactly how it fares in reading level against Haruhi.
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Old 2006-07-17, 08:02   Link #186
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oh? is the novel is easy to read?

I have no idea, since I'm not a translator.


But if anybody who wants to take a crack at it, you know who to call.
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Old 2006-07-17, 09:41   Link #187
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This anime is all about anime cliches: tsundere, magic, school. But it's still worth watching because of one question "how come she summoned a human as a guardian?", eh?

ps: don't go crazy over this anime now, there's plenty to go around now.
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Old 2006-07-17, 10:26   Link #188
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This anime is all about anime cliches: tsundere, magic, school. But it's still worth watching because of one question "how come she summoned a human as a guardian?", eh?

ps: don't go crazy over this anime now, there's plenty to go around now.
You've just described 80% of all anime out there, by using the term cliche.

What's important is the execution, and this one pulls it off very well.
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Old 2006-07-17, 13:14   Link #189
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You've just described 80% of all anime out there, by using the term cliche. What's important is the execution, and this one pulls it off very well.
This is a very important point and I'd like to emphasize it. Anime is popular entertainment, which works by playing variations on familiar and emotionally effective cliches. We usually see the cliches in the genres that we don't like, and talk about originality when we see minor variations appearing in the genres we do like. For instance, just about all mecha seems like a huge cliche to me, whereas shoujo seems like a cliche to many other people. Successful works like Zero combine effective variations with satisfying exploitation of the main cliches.
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Old 2006-07-17, 13:31   Link #190
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Mmmm... it's virtually impossible to be original and un-cliched (is that a word?) nowaday's.

In fact you could say that the fantasy genre as a whole (Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, ect...) is a rip off of the works of George MacDonald in the 1800's.
And even he borrowed heavily off the works of others and folk tales.

There really is nothing new under the sun. If the tale's enjoyable, just enjoy it, cause there's no such thing as originality anymore.
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Old 2006-07-17, 14:06   Link #191
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If you want to get down to it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romeo_and_Juliet
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A common misconception is that the plot of Romeo and Juliet was invented by Shakespeare. In fact, his play is a dramatisation of Arthur Brooke's narrative poem The Tragicall History of Romeus and Juliet (1562). Shakespeare followed Brooke's poem fairly closely but enriched its texture by adding extra detail to both major and minor characters, in particular the Nurse and Mercutio.

Brooke's poem was not original either, being a translation and adaptation of Giuletta e Romeo, by Matteo Bandello, included in his Novelle of 1554. This was in turn an adaptation of Luigi da Porto's Giulietta e Romeo, included in his Istoria novellamente ritrovata di due Nobili Amanti (c. 1530). This was the version that gave the story much of its modern form, including the names of the lovers, naming the rival families to the Montecchi and the Cappelletti, and shifting the action to Verona.

The earliest known version of the tale is the 1476 story of Mariotto and Gianozza of Siena by Masuccio Salernitano, in Il Novelino' (Novella XXXIII).

Of course, a skilled writer can make even a plain seeming premise into an interesting story. And a bad writer can make a hash of an excellent premise...
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Old 2006-07-17, 18:01   Link #192
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Old 2006-07-17, 18:09   Link #193
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Nice pics! Anybody have Tabitha pics?
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Old 2006-07-18, 10:31   Link #194
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bah. you know how much Haruhi has spoiled you, when you keep checking websites for the raws, two hour after it's been aired. and your expecting the fansub two-three days later.

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Old 2006-07-19, 06:15   Link #195
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ah. just seen the raws.

very good. I like.

Kirche the maneater! lol

She slap those boys down yet they still came back for more. lol

im really enjoying this, this is what Harry Potter should of been.

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Old 2006-07-19, 08:41   Link #196
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Hmm... there seems to be only 1 ep3 raw (bad quality raw that is) out there, despite the show being aired several days ago. Did something happen?
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Old 2006-07-19, 08:48   Link #197
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Does anyone else thing the sound of "Kirche" seems way off from "Kyuruke" ?

Is "Kirche" supposed to rhyme with "Birch" and "Lurch" ? Ugh, Not a sexy name.

Kyuruke is better.
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Old 2006-07-19, 10:43   Link #198
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I think maybe the "che" is probably pronounce like 'che'ddar not like bir'ch'
KIR => Kyuru is a bit of a strech, imo tho. ^^
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Old 2006-07-19, 11:22   Link #199
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Don't try to read it like English. Read it with German mind set.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirche
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