(L) Simoun

[FatPianoBoy]

Originally Posted by Matrim

Wouldn't it have been weird for us, the viewers, to not notice if there were two suns (please, don't tell me there actually are two suns, yet I have failed to notice this little detail)? I am no bilogist but why should we talk about a stronger mutation - we could just say the process of evolution was different, not more dramatic or quicker, jsut different. Also the probability that the inhabitants of the Simoun world (I keep on forgetting its name) have come to this planet from somewhere and/or have achieved this -choice at 17 thing via genetic engineering should not be overlooked.

Uh... yeah, there are two suns. Pretty sure you're just kidding about not noticing them, though. I think

As for the origins of Simoun's unique gender arragement: Maybe it was something similar to Geneshaft in which society decided that men were a problem. However, so that children could still be created naturally (otherwise, a tragic loss of their technology would spell extinction), they designed the DNA to be altered by The Spring at some point. However, this "blank" DNA configuration is (and would likely be, in reality) somewhat unstable, so failing to finalize (and stabilize) it eventually resulted in the DNA breaking down.
Also, going with the 'end of war' idea, the Simoun, the main tool of war, were limited to only be piloted by those who had not selected a gender, severely limiting their usefulness. It's possible that they also had another more benevolent use, and that's why they weren't destroyed all together.
Of course, this original civilization eventually declined and fell, eventually evolving into what we see in the series.

[hitokirigirl]

Yay, time for daily bitching
Completely off topic, but I guess that mostly guys watch that yuri anime ? the number of replies to this thread makes me shiver....Why the heck anime studios don't animate yaoi (gay) stuff ? Yaoi manga are flourishing way more than yuri stuff, and yet, rare OAVs are released...

Damn, more women should work in animation business !!!!!

[Matrim]

Uh... yeah, there are two suns. Pretty sure you're just kidding about not noticing them, though. I thin

Seriously, I am not kidding, I don't recall noticing such a thing. Just now I tried to see it in but couln't see two suns in the few episodes I tried. It's weird to miss such a thing but I do these things
Kind of weird for them to have a day-night cycle which seems to be pretty much like our own then.

Why the heck anime studios don't animate yaoi (gay) stuff ? Yaoi manga are flourishing way more than yuri stuff, and yet, rare OAVs are released...

Stop whining, at least you yaoi fans seems to have a lot of manga to choose from. And the yuri animes from the last few years that are actually any good could probably be counted on the fingers of one hand, so it's not as if it is a flourishing genre, deserving of jealousy.

[oneplusme]

Originally Posted by Matrim

Seriously, I am not kidding, I don't recall noticing such a thing. Just now I tried to see it in but couln't see two suns in the few episodes I tried. It's weird to miss such a thing but I do these things
Kind of weird for them to have a day-night cycle which seems to be pretty much like our own then.

Look in the outdoor shots in early episodes - you can clearly see two suns in lots of them.

The suns are close together - which isn't surprising, since they'd be a binary pair (orbiting their mutual centre of gravity) - so there wouldn't be any significant difference to the day/night cycle. There probably would be interesting effects on people's shadows, though...

[FatPianoBoy]

Simoun isn't even yuri (to me), so I think it's a bit off-topic here, but I'll play along.
I, for one, just want an anime or manga that has interesting characters, a good story, and something that'll have an effect on me and stay with me after it's done. If yuri happens to be included in that, then fine; it's neither an incentive nor a deterrant.
I simply cannot understand why someone would watch a show simply because it's yaoi or yuri, or complain simply because it isn't. Is the quality of the stuff that matters completely irrelevant anymore?

[hitokirigirl]

Originally Posted by FatPianoBoy

Simoun isn't even yuri (to me), so I think it's a bit off-topic here, but I'll play along.
I, for one, just want an anime or manga that has interesting characters, a good story, and something that'll have an effect on me and stay with me after it's done. If yuri happens to be included in that, then fine; it's neither an incentive nor a deterrant.
I simply cannot understand why someone would watch a show simply because it's yaoi or yuri, or complain simply because it isn't. Is the quality of the stuff that matters completely irrelevant anymore?

I don't know what you're talking about : I'm not talking about the "quality", rather about the "genre", it has nothing to do with the story....

Even if the story is awesome, I just can't watch it because of its genre. It's like people who never give a try to shoujo or shounen...
But I guess some threads are like that : give your thought and get a kick *sigh*

[FatPianoBoy]

Originally Posted by hitokirigirl

I don't know what you're talking about : I'm not talking about the "quality", rather about the "genre", it has nothing to do with the story....

That's my whole point: quality over genre. Would you rather watch a really great series with no yaoi or a medicore series full of it?

But I guess some threads are like that : give your thought and get a kick *sigh*

I'm not "giving you a kick," I'm just trying to see if you're one of those mindless yaoi fans or not. You don't seem like it, but it's kinda hard to tell sometimes.

[JediNight]

I just finished watching ep20 and:

Spoiler:

The end of ep20 hit me much harder than the actual death of Mamiina. Her death was rather meaningless so it didn't have much of an impact, but the honoring of her death by Chor Tempest at the end of the episode was so touching it made me tear up.

I wonder though why they would have left Simouns sitting in the Ruins for all that time for the enemy to potentially get ahold of? It was a sacred site, but NOBODY investigated it at all ever?

[Matrim]

The suns are close together - which isn't surprising, since they'd be a binary pair (orbiting their mutual centre of gravity) - so there wouldn't be any significant difference to the day/night cycle.

Yes, if they weren't a binary pair than the day-night cycle should have been different...and I would have probably noticed them being two. I noticed just now that the two suns can be seen even in the first episode which I have watched quite a lot of times without seeing this detail.

I simply cannot understand why someone would watch a show simply because it's yaoi or yuri, or complain simply because it isn't. Is the quality of the stuff that matters completely irrelevant anymore?

For one thing yuri or yaoi seems to have (or at least used to have) the appeal of rarity - if you want to watch series with boy-girl romance there are tons of them, so I guess there are people who want to see something new. Secondly, I doubt many people watch a show only because it's yuri or yaoi - they might try to watch it because of that but if that alone is usually not enough to keep them interested if the quality is not there. It's just like any other sub-genre - for instance if one is a fan action of animes with a lot of air combats but hates mechas, he wil probably do his best to check out any anime that falls into that category, not because he is sure it will be awesome but because there is not exactly an abundance of it. But even if he is fan of something that offers him a great choice, he would still choose series based on this something - let's say he will prefer to watch the new Sunrise mecha than the new Sunrise samurai series.
Of course the quality matters but you can't pick what to watch based on the actual quality of it since you don't know in advance whether you appreciate it or bash it as overrated, so you go for elements that you think you will like, be it yaoi, yuri, mecha or just good old fanservice. Why bother checking out something that is supposed to be quality but according to its description it has things you don't like watching at all - let's say it's a harem series?

[FatPianoBoy]

Originally Posted by JediNight

I just finished watching ep20 and:

Spoiler:

The end of ep20 hit me much harder than the actual of Mamiina. Her was rather meaningless so it didn't have much of an impact, but the honoring of her by Chor Tempest at the end of the episode was so touching it made me tear up.

I wonder though why they would have left Simouns sitting in the Ruins for all that time for the enemy to potentially get ahold of? It was a sacred site, but NOBODY investigated it at all ever?

Spoiler:

It wasn't meaningless. If I remember correctly, Mamiina said that the priestesses that saved her would likely be killed for letting her go. So, she stayed behind and gave herself so that they wouldn't be accused of treason and executed.

I'm pretty sure the V-Simoun weren't there the last time the place was investigated. They just happened to be there when Plumbum was there. This probably because of... well, you'll get into that later, I think.

Originally Posted by Matrim

Of course the quality matters but you can't pick what to watch based on the actual quality of it since you don't know in advance whether you appreciate it or bash it as ove , so you go for elements that you think you will like, be it yaoi, yuri, mecha or just good old fanservice. Why bother checking out something that is supposed to be quality but according to its description it has things you don't like watching at all - let's say it's a harem series?

Ah, I see what you mean.

I do this quite often, actually. The most recent example being Kanon, which I'm currently loving to pieces. From the descriptions and heresay, it sounded like every other bishoujo series ever made. But, people kept insisting that it was good, and they were people who generally know what they're talking about, so I gave it a shot.
I don't really like mecha, but I love Evangelion. I don't really like space opera, but I love Crest of the Stars. I don't really like harem, but I love Love Hina. I don't really like mystery, but I love Higurashi. I don't really like mahou shoujo/shounen, but I love Negima. I don't really like yuri, but I love Simoun.
Maybe I'm just weird.

[oneplusme]

Originally Posted by JediNight

I just finished watching ep20 and:

Spoiler:

The end of ep20 hit me much harder than the actual death of Mamiina. Her death was rather meaningless so it didn't have much of an impact, but the honoring of her death by Chor Tempest at the end of the episode was so touching it made me tear up.

Spoiler for episode 20:

Whilst I disagree about Mamiina's death (although the final scene with the cooks on the Messis didn't really work for me), I'm right there with you about the ending of episode 20. Their funeral ri maajons are just so beautifully done; it's an amazingly powerful scene.

[Conri]

Originally Posted by Simon

Thanks! The ones that've shipped so far have all been copies, although most have the Studio DEEN Red Non-disclosure Stamp of Doom on them so they feel sort of real... One that's still to come was shown with a colour illustration on the cover, so either it's a fake or it's a bit special compared to the rest. Mind you I'm mostly buying them for the content, to see what the animators were working off for each episode, so picking up an original would just be a very nice bonus.

Heh, I noticed that red Stamp of Doom on the auction pictures. And to clarify what I meant by "original pen writing"...I meant notes or marks on the copies. To come across one of the original storyboards for sale would be very rare indeed. I saw an original from Miyuki-chan in Wonderland go for 40,000+ yen a while ago. Of course, this was also unusually well drawn for a storyboard (most are pretty rough, as I'm sure you know).

Originally Posted by Matrim

Seriously, I am not kidding, I don't recall noticing such a thing. Just now I tried to see it in but couln't see two suns in the few episodes I tried. It's weird to miss such a thing but I do these things

You aren't alone. Maybe it's just one of those things I accepted in such a way that it didn't stick out in my memory (even upon rewatching)...

Do so, we have to get at least to 2500 posts mark in this thread.

Now, there is a good goal.

Maybe I'm just weird.

Pin pon! It's just another word for unique. Personally, I like shows for their characters, not their genres. However, there are a few I tend to gravitate towards...comedy, certain types of action, shows with strong/interesting females, gender-bending shows.

[Matrim]

I don't really like mecha, but I love Evangelion. I don't really like space opera, but I love Crest of the Stars. I don't really like harem, but I love Love Hina. I don't really like mystery, but I love Higurashi. I don't really like mahou shoujo/shounen, but I love Negima. I don't really like yuri, but I love Simoun.

Well, you know what they say about the exceptions that confirm the rule. Seriously, most people are likely to like at least a handful of titles outside of the genres that interest them but the problem is actually checking out such shows in the first place. Since you mentioned about Kanon - agaisnt my better judgement, I tried watching one episode, did not like it and stopped right there. If it was let's say a mystery/thriller I would have probably tried watching another episode, since it's a conversion from ero-game with a lot of moe characters I am extremely reluctant to do so. Unless one knows reviewers or has friends whose tastes he knows he can trust, I think it's hard to find a incentive to try something new and different, let alone something that seems to be from a category/genre that one dislikes. For instance why should someone for whom anime basically means shounen with a lot of action bother to watch anything that does not have these elements? So what I am trying to say that sticking to one or few genres is not necessarily a bad thing, it just reflects what the person in question is looking for and how much effort he is prepared to make in order to find it.

Personally, I like shows for their characters, not their genres.

Interesting. These days I find that characters really make or break shows for me. I need to have at least one characters whom I can symphatise with and care about, even a little. Also, shows with great characters seem to have a greater replay value than those with great plot but not so interesting characters. For instance the interaction between the Simoun characters makes the beautiful battles and the main storyline about the war pale in comparison. I think I would have certainly liked Simoun if it was all about the battles and the twists and turns of the war and not so heavily focused on character development but I doubt I would have loved it if the characters were mediocre or even interesting but not properly developed.

[Ptolemi]

I was thinking about watching this anime, but i didn't get to it.

So is this a happy ending one?

Is this another one where the main couple seems to be embarassed by almost everything that seems to have emotion in it or when their bodies get close or touch in any way?

Also is this where they go out early and date trough out or in the end?

[Matrim]

So is this a happy ending one?

Spoiler:

You could say the ending is a happy one but it's also somewhat bittersweet.

Is this another one where the main couple seems to be embarassed by almost everything that seems to have emotion in it or when their bodies get close or touch in any way?

Spoiler:

Well, one of the main characters is totally clueless about romantic affairs at first so I guess you can say she is embarrassed to discover her romantic feelings. But there is little to no embarrassement because of close proximity or touching since the ritual of flying their aircrafts demands a ritual kiss between the pilots before the start so they get used to that.

Also is this where they go out early and date trough out or in the end?

Spoiler:

No, definitely this is not the case.

[FatPianoBoy]

Originally Posted by Matrim

Unless one knows reviewers or has friends whose tastes he knows he can trust

I like Simoun. Qualifications met

Interesting. These days I find that characters really make or break shows for me. I need to have at least one characters whom I can symphatise with and care about, even a little. Also, shows with great characters seem to have a greater replay value than those with great plot but not so interesting characters. For instance the interaction between the Simoun characters makes the beautiful battles and the main storyline about the war pale in comparison. I think I would have certainly liked Simoun if it was all about the battles and the twists and turns of the war and not so heavily focused on character development but I doubt I would have loved it if the characters were mediocre or even interesting but not properly developed.

Which is exactly why I think you'd like Kanon. Normally I wouldn't have even tried it, but then I found out something: Kanon is like the Jimi Hendrix of moe - it only feels familiar because everyone likes to (often quite poorly) imitate it.
It's quite popular and needs no advertising; I'm merely suggesting it here because people who like Simoun obviously enjoy interesting character-based affairs, and I think Kanon is relevant to these interests.

[warainagara]

Originally Posted by hitokirigirl

Yay, time for daily bitching
Completely off topic, but I guess that mostly guys watch that yuri anime ? the number of replies to this thread makes me shiver....
Why the heck anime studios don't animate yaoi (gay) stuff ? Yaoi manga are flourishing way more than yuri stuff, and yet, rare OAVs are released...
Damn, more women should work in animation business !!!!!

Well, among anime fans, there are as small number of guys who watch yuri anime featuring girls only, as girls who watch yuri or yaoi.
(Interesting facet of the relevant fandom is that yaoi fans are mostly girls while yuri has half guys and half girls "at least" in East Asia, unlike seemingly prevalent Western misunderstanding like "most of yuri fans are guys.")
Apparently, they look as if many because the genre of yuri has grown recently and there are outstanding fanatics.
Yuri is still a minor genre.

Also yaoi seems much bigger than yuri in novel and manga, and does not fall behind so much in anime.
See what yaoi clamed for 2005,2006 : Loveless, Skisiou, Gakuen Heaven,
while yuri had : KnM, Kashimashi, Simoun, Stopani.
And the only anime title that can be called a hit among yuri is Marimitte.

[JediNight]

Ending spoilers:

Spoiler:

*takes a deep breath* WTF WAS THAT?! *falls over*

Theres like 4 episodes of buildup to the end and then ..... NOTHING! I understand Evangelion and Lain, but I have no fscking clue what the supposed moral or reasoning to this ending is LOL ... other than enjoy your childhood but don't be afraid of being an adult or something?

So like Limone and Dominura are in the past at some point that in a catch22 taught the Emerald Remergion to the people? (And the word aaeru) And supposedly Aaeru and Neviril only went a couple years into the future and are now dancing in the sunken Arcus Prima? (Btw I wonder why it was sunk? Another war happened, or the Alliance didn't want to take the chance it might be used against them again in the future?)

Argh I wanted to go to sleep after watching the ending, and now my chest is all pent up with frustration ^_^;;

This goes near the top of my list on frustrating non-ending series....

[Matrim]

JediNight, the big discussion of the ending is some pages back and you'd better read it if you want more detailed opinions but I can understand your frustration.

Spoiler:

Basically, plotwise it was a very unsatisfying ending but it was emotionally intense and great characterwise so after getting over my disappoitment of the lack of clear plot resolution and not getting answers to too many questions I actually liked it.

I like Simoun. Qualifications met

You seem to like Suzumiya Haruhi too, so sorry you fail.

Which is exactly why I think you'd like Kanon. Normally I wouldn't have even tried it, but then I found out something: Kanon is like the Jimi Hendrix of moe - it only feels familiar because everyone likes to (often quite poorly) imitate it.
It's quite popular and needs no advertising; I'm merely suggesting it here because people who like Simoun obviously enjoy interesting character-based affairs, and I think Kanon is relevant to these interests.

I almost got a deadly moe overdose from just one episode. Character driven series become unbearable if you don't like the characters but I might try one more episode due to excessive boredom that I am feeling today. Wait for my rant.

[JediNight]

Ending frustrations aside: Aaeru has one of the cutest hairstyles I've seen in anime. It's very rare for an anime to go into that much detail with the stray-unkempt-hair look.