|2006-05-24, 09:56||Link #428|
Seigi no Mikata
|2006-05-24, 13:03||Link #429|
Join Date: Jul 2004
Good point that male-change may be the default, in order to raise numbers of the less-desired gender. And other good points.
Thanks for the link to that great video. It's nice to see that people who don't post here (I guess) also love and understand this show. I also enjoyed the Ishikawa Chiaki PV of the OP, which I hadn't seen before.
Thanks again for great info. And thanks for adding the Japanese. It sometimes helps to have it for reference.
The more I watch ep8, the more I like it (if that's possible).
Spoiler for ep8:
Last edited by Kaoru Chujo; 2006-05-24 at 14:22.
|2006-05-24, 17:19||Link #430|
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Sydney, Australia
But where in ep 2 does Guragief actually say this about reserving public service jobs based on gender as an incentive? Or is this something that you felt was implied? I had a quick look through my Simoun 2 sub, and can't see where this was mentioned, so a time or scene would be really helpful.
|2006-05-24, 20:55||Link #431|
Seigi no Mikata
|2006-05-25, 07:56||Link #432|
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: New Zealand
On a slightly less serious note, I wonder where the characters fit on the Aristasian blonde/brunette axis?
Last edited by Simon; 2006-05-25 at 08:12.
|2006-05-25, 08:45||Link #433|
Consideration about Argentum
Consideration about Argentum
The Argentum people's condition
In Episode 4, the actual condition of this country can guess to some extent from the monologue of the Argentum airman who takes a stand against Aael and others of survival, the recollection to a death due to sickness, and depiction.
国民は生まれると直ぐに、大半の国民が、「兵隊」又は「工場生産員」に適したる男性（大半）と、少数の「子 供を産む女性」へと国家管理局が選別し性別を固定化する。そこには、実際には テンプスパティウムの意向が反映されるとはいえ、一応個人の自由意志も尊重される、「性別選択の自由」は存 在しない。
If people are born, immediately, most people are suitable for a "soldier" or
a "factory mass-production worker", and a state control office sorts out them to a slack male (most) and a small number of "woman who bears a child", and they fix sex. There, it is . Temps-spatium although an intention is reflected, "the freedom of sex selection" in which individual free will is also respected once does not exist.
Moreover, since a state determines "sex or jender compulsorily " using the medicine (=hormone drugs, such as the androgen, are conjectured) brought forth by the chemical industry, national freedom is also visible to restricted considerably.
工業に国力の大半を注いだ為、国民の福祉や、健康は公害病で蝕まれ、４話で登場した敗残兵も喀血(かっけつ )をしていたところをみると、スモッグで肺を蝕まれていたようだ。総じて、全体主義的国家統制（旧ソビエト 連邦やナチスドイツ）のような軍国主義国家のように思われる。
They are also the remnants of a defeated army who national welfare and health were spoiled by the pollution-related illness since the great portion of national power was directed towards industry, and appeared in four talks." Hemoptysis = 喀血 (ka-kketsu)" It seems that lungs will be spoiled with smog if the place which was being carried out is seen. It seems to be a militarism state generally like totalitarianism national control.
(Soviet Union”Ｕ.Ｓ.Ｓ.Ｒ.” and Nazis.)
In addition, although it is an Live-movie-film the work of the tendency which was alike with the latest work is looked for, in the documentary film in 2004 of Director Kiriya's "CASSHERN ", depiction of the pollution-related illness of a totalitarianism-despotic state "The Great Asia-Federation" etc. is reminded.
(The beginning of the above-mentioned works, such as a picture of the scene of conversation with the person in character with especially the commander in native Argentum nation of the beginning, very resemble to - The scene of Dr.Azuma and "Nikko-Hairal inc." = "日興ハイラル社" an employee's "Mr.Naito"'s contents, composition, it comes out as it is also including conversation contents "pollution-related illness" and red color of Haiar ...)
Simoun Episode 4 "The Argentum mainland."
"CASSHERN " depiction of the pollution-related illness of a totalitarianism-despotic state "The Great Asia-Federation"
The guess of circumstances which results in the Simulacrum invasion
Argentum Shou(coral) nation after obtaining the so-called "Industrial Revolution" said by our star system, it is thought with rapid development of the technology by the synergistic effect that improvement and productivity expansion of the further technology were seen.
富国強兵の為に、労働力の確保と向上が必要となったとき、いわゆる「産めよ増やせよ」の原理で、強力な独裁 者の下で人口の増大に努めた結果、地方（農村・漁村）において（長女除く）次女～七女までの大家族制度が定 着し、国家的にみて、大量の余剰人員が出たのかもしれない。
The time of the reservation and improvement in the labor force being needed for the wealth and military strength of a country -- being the so-called ( "Bear babies, increase population !) "Increase and multiply, fill the sky-land and subdue it " =「産めよ増やせよ」 the result of having strove for increase of population under the powerful dictator by the principle a district (the farm village and the fishing village) setting extended family systems, second daughter such as the seventh daughter (the Eldest daughter preserved as Family-system successer) are established, it sees nationwide, and possibly a lot of excess personnel came out.
しかしながら、急激な工業大国化により、それが国家的な危機を生じるほどの環境汚染の被害を拡大させてしま う。 国策として環境の改善が急務となるが、環境改善や、保護技術の確立は容易ではなく、また時間的な猶予も無く 、工場等の操業の縮小や停止が起きて、そこで余った労働力が未知の技術獲得の為の宮国侵攻に投 入される。
However, it will make the damage of environmental pollution to the extent that a national crisis is produced expand by rapid industrial power-ization. Although an improvement of environment serves as pressing need as a national policy, there is also no time postponement easily, reduction and a stop of operation, such as a factory, occur, and an environmental improvement and establishment of protection technology are supplied to " the Simulacrum invasion " for the technical acquisition with the strange labor force which remained there.
しかし、宮国侵攻のための大量の兵士や渡洋爆撃(*1) をする為に必要な大量の航空機を製造する為の工場労働員等を考えた時、肉体的に女性の骨格では筋力や生理な どの面で、いかにも効率が悪い。
But, when the factory labor member for manufacturing a lot of dragon-fly fighter or othher airplanes required in order to carry out a lot of soldier for "the Simulacrum invasion" and "The
Over-Sea bombing " (*1 ) is considered, efficiency is truly physically bad by the female-frame in respect of muscular power, physiology, etc.
* If the invasion from the sea is also impossible, there is nothing, but in order to have to cross a still steeper mountain range from the coastline after landing up to the the Simulacrum nation's mainland , encountering the counterattack of militarized Shmoun is expected and it is not realistic.
そのため、医学と遺伝学、生物学（化学）を総動員し、「優生学理論」に基づき、薬剤（ホルモン剤）と外科手 術による、子宮・卵巣切除などの女性器官削除により、国家の管理局が「性別を判ずる技術」を獲 得。
Therefore, medicine, genetics, and biology (chemistry) are mobilized fully and the national Administration Bureau acquires "the technology of judging sex" based on " eugenics theory"
by aphrodisiacal tennis court official deletion of the womb, ovary excision, etc. by the medicine (hormone drug) and the surgical operation.
Birth control is practiced anew, for a military plan besides the invasion plan to the Simulacrum warmed over many years, a reconstruction operation is undergone at a boy and most number of girls are brought up as personnel or a factory worker from an infancy term.
"He" the person who was made to convert a sex to male doesn't have a reproductive capacity but because-- the reorganization man is the soldier of the use crush and most of all were killed in the war before having a family (wife or daughters) of "the problems such as this " don't occur.
The numarous number of "Argentum soldiers in the forefront" didn't know the secret of "Orijinally, they were girls !!"
They have never recognize Whether they were the girl whom converted male or have been " real " manufactured " as the Pseudo-Boy (Lately they grown as the" Guy...") because of the military affairs national top-secret matter itself which has the sex and gender re-assignment or distinction technology.
Consideration of the Argentum soldier who was hiding out in the Simulacrum Episode 4th "Nearby war"
上記エピソードにおいて、 宮国内に潜伏していた アルゲントゥム礁国の兵士について考察してみた。何故、宮国領土内に潜伏していたかについて、以下の理由が 考えられる。
In epiode 4, Simulacrum Argentum soldier was hiding out inside. Argentum soldier was considered. The following reasons can be considered about why it was hiding out in the Simulacrum land.
仮説１ 宮国内に 礁国の飛行機械で侵攻した際、撃墜又は被弾、(*2)もしくは機体の故障などの何らかの理由に よって
When he invades to the Simulacrum mainland by side Argentum "Dragon-fly" fighter, they are some reasons of failure of shooting down, a cartridge-ed, or the body etc. (*2)
As a result of getting separated from "the flight unit" and descending or crash-landing with the escape equipment of a parachute and others in the Simulacrum nation ground, the body was lost, but though the loyalty to its native country was not lost but it was isolated, it was hearing about the opportunity of Shimoun capture.
< Reference external link >
横井 庄一 / Yokoi Shoichi (sergeant)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoichi_Yokoi ,
小野田 寛郎 / Onoda Hiro-ou (second lieutenant) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroo_Onoda
仮説2. 初めから ヘリカル・モートリスの技術を持ち帰ろうと、 礁国から潜入した工作員で、手っ取り早い手段として シムーンを持ち帰ろうとして潜入した。
From the start "Helical- Mortris" if I will bring technology home Argentum from as a means quick at the agent who infiltrated Shmoun it was going to bring home and infiltrated.
飛行船から降下侵入した降下兵で、近くの 聖廟を襲撃して シムーンを乗っ取ろうとしたが本隊とはぐれた、または本隊が壊滅した。
At the descent soldier who did descent invasion from the airship, it is near. Mausoleum of saint-shrine it attacks. Shmoun Although it was going to capture, it got separated from his corps or this corps destroyed completely.
しかし、 アーエル達が遭遇した時点で,重い病を患っており、本篇中に於いて病死したこと、単独で整った装備も無かっ たこと、正確な年齢は明らかでないものの兵士としては高齢であったことなどを考えると２の説は 採りがたい。
However, when Aael and Rimone he has trouble with its critical illness and considers having died of an illness in this editing, that there was also no independently ready equipment, that exact age was advanced age as a soldier of a not clear thing, etc., when it encounters Opinion of 2 It is hard to take.
一方、不時着したパイロットにしては、大型の狙撃銃を持っていたのは不自然ではある。しかし、宮国内におい て民間人や兵士などから奪取した可能性や、義烈空挺隊 （義号作戦）の如く、敵陣に不時着後は歩兵となってゲリラ戦に移行することを予め予定して、機体内に装備し ていた可能性も予想されるので１の説の可能性が比較的強いといえる。
It is unnatural to, have had a sniping gun large-sized for a pilot who crash-landed on the other hand. however, a possibility of having wrested from the civilian, the soldier, etc. in the Simulacrum inside and as like " 義烈空挺隊=Giretsu heroic special air-bone force" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giretsu...ces_operations (義号作戦＝Gigou strategy operation) likesince a possibility of having planned beforehand becoming a foot soldier and shifting to bushfighting after crash-landing on the enemy's line, and having equipped in the body is also expected Opinion of 1 It can be said that possibility is comparatively strong.
Moreover, a lack of the planning at the time of capture of Simoun.
The Simulacrum-language which is enemy nation's language required as an agent is not mastered.
Carelessness poor quality of camouflage Simoun manufactured as a lure (decoy)
Poorness of a communication means
Lack of thought in geography selection of an incubation place
Even if it sees that uniform belongs to a Argentum Flight jaclet for air combat soldier, it is hard to consider the line as an infiltration agent.
宮国の情報管理がどの程度のものなのか窺うことは出来ないが、シヴュラでないと起動出来ないことすら知らな かった (*3)ことからみても、２の説を採るのは無理がある。
Although it could not hear about what thing information management of 宮国 is, it did not even know that it could not start unless it is Sibyllas. In view of (*3) thing, it is the opinion of 2. Taking is impossible.
さらに、なんらかの手段でシムーンを飛ばせる事が出来たとして、アルゲントゥム礁国は海の向こうであり、宮 国内に侵攻する航空部隊との無線機又はその他の通信手段も無い状態では、本隊に合流できる可能性はほとんど ない。
Furthermore, it is "Argentum shou(礁=coral) nation " noting that Simoun is able to be flown with a certain means. It is the marine other side and there is almost no possibility that this party can be joined in the state where there are not a walkie-talkie with the flying corps who invades in Miya, or other communication means, either.
Other methods considered and Plumbum ridge nation If Simoun is carried into other nations of the continent neighborhood where the Simulacrum exists pretending to be a political refugee etc., it is also possible to obtain the safety of the body instead of a gift.
Since in the case of the former it became the obstacle of negotiation when connecting peace to "the Simulacrum nation" someday, possibly whether it is handed over at a the Simulacrum side brought a result executed in the person.
(Even if the Plumbum ridge nation planned the suicidal-explosion terrorism under pretense of peace negotiations as a result.)
後者の場合でも、亡命先の国の政府のよほどの好意が無い限り、機体の没収は免れず、仮に彼の所在が闇の内に 葬られず、礁国本国に覚知させる事に成功したとしても、シムーンの技術を部分的にでも礁国本国に持ち帰れる かどうかは、両国の交渉の結果に委ねられる事になったであろう。
Even if it succeeds in not escaping, and his life and whereabouts not being temporarily buried in the inside of darkness(executed), but making Argentum main land perceive confiscation of the body also in the case of the latter, as long as there is no much courtesy of the government of the nation of an exile place, it will be left to the result of negotiation of both countries in the technology of Simoun whether it can bring that it is also partial back to Argentum main land.
(Only the part of the diplomacy by the side of Argentum main land which separates the ocean and has distance is disadvantageous to the partner nation of the above-mentioned assumption.)
*1:Attack the mainland of the enemy nation with a long-range bomber etc. between the states which separated the ocean.
*2 Since the flight machine of Argentum tends to explode, the possibility of an emergency landing become one shot-exploded and according to shooting down or a cartridge-ed is low infinite.
*3 It is common sense to be selected on the assumption that acquisition of exact observation capability and inference capability was put on like other capability in a daily training process, if it was the agent who deserves infiltration in an enemy nation mainland.
Last edited by Yui from Okinawa; 2006-05-27 at 07:40.
|2006-05-26, 10:51||Link #436|
"Simoun" music O.S.T 01 sub-titles (Japanese)
Simoun orijinal-sound track 01
Composed by : Toshihiko - Sahashi ( 佐橋 俊彦 )
01. opening theme
03. 女性国家 第一楽章：旧人類
04. 女性国家 第二楽章：男性社会の崩壊と排除
05. 女性国家 第三楽章：新たな種の保存と変化
06. 女性国家 第四楽章：女性国家確立
24. ending theme
01. Opening Theme
02. Sound of fascinating bonds
03. Female state The first movement: -- Homo sapiens neanderthalensis--
04. Female state The second movement: -- Collapse of male society, and exclusion--
05. Female state The third movement: -- Preservation and change of a new species--
06. Female state The fourth movement: --Female state establishment--
07. The heart of faint love
08. Premonition of departure
09. Wings and TSUBASA
10. To the special future sake
11. Pathos -- Shimoun Sibylla---
12. Stay as you as it is......
13. Wave motion of the spring
15. A beautiful shrine maiden's tear
16. Truth and doubt
17. Black shade
18. AURIGA of the great sky
19. Wail, The choir Tempest
20. Air Fortress
21. The voice of a quiet prayer
22. A Country
23. The sky, the wind of .... the brightness ground(Earth)...
(c.f: JOHANN SEBASTIAN BACH " Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring ", BWV.147)
24. Ending theme
Last edited by Yui from Okinawa; 2006-05-27 at 07:54.
|2006-05-26, 12:40||Link #437|
Join Date: Jul 2004
Okay, I know this is crazy, but I liked ep8 so much that I made a subtitle file for it, for my own pleasure and practice, and hoping a few other people might find it entertaining. A few minor inaccuracies may remain. Suggestions welcome. The translation dances the border between literal and loose. I consulted a Chinese sub, but didn't always follow it.
Simoun 08 subtitles
Warning: for maximum impact, don't view this episode until you've seen the previous episodes (most of which are not yet subbed).
(Save the link, which is an .ass subtitle file. Then you can open it from the file menu of Media Player Classic when you're watching a raw. Or else rename it to the same name as your raw, except for the file extension, and put it in the same folder, and your media player should pick it up automatically.)
NOTE: I claim no copyright in the file, so anyone is welcome to use it and the translation in any way they like, attributed or unattributed.
Last edited by Kaoru Chujo; 2006-05-26 at 17:05.
|2006-05-26, 12:53||Link #438|
Seigi no Mikata
|2006-05-26, 13:51||Link #440|
Seigi no Mikata
(And that may give me enough of a head start this weekend to get my usual synopsis out, even with going to Anime North.)
|drama, science fiction, yuri|