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View Poll Results: Fate/stay Night Episode 9 Rating
Perfect 10 29 21.80%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 37 27.82%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 44 33.08%
7 out of 10 : Good 13 9.77%
6 out of 10 : Average 8 6.02%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 2 1.50%
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Old 2006-03-06, 18:30   Link #181
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Saber's soon-to-be-revealed history (aka spoiler) should be pointing as to why she is offended by that remark. And it is common issue with many female warrior cultures around the world. Not only they have to prove their skill in killing people, they have to prove that it is not a fluke. And society with some exceptions like nomadic Sycthians, punished the women warriors because it is antithesis of accepted convention of warrior creed. Look at what happened to Joan of Arc for example.

Saber felt condescending by Shirou's concern of gender role is too much. She is a heroic Spirit and yet Shirou insisted on treating her in role that sustained by classic female meme. Imagine how she felt, after she proven her warrior skill to such lofty height, to become chosen champion by the enormous artifact like Grail in war but to be treated like that by Shirou. I can say Shirou is naive in this sense due to his untainted youth ideals.

Hence when she decided to perform a pre-emptive strike in Ryudoji Temple because of imcompatible ideal, it is natural and expected out of her.

This is the background picture I see so far in episode 9.
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Old 2006-03-06, 18:38   Link #182
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Its true what you said Stormy, or though Shirou isn't 100% clear on Saber's past.. yes i know that doesn't make it alright for him to have said that, but to him she's a lady - and he just wants to protect her. Protecting her gives him respect.. though he really does need to learn who Saber is.
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Old 2006-03-06, 19:59   Link #183
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well, it seems that saber doesn't get shirou's point. i guess shirou was trying to be a gentleman and doesn't want a girl to fight such gruesome battle. look! a saber plushie
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Old 2006-03-06, 20:13   Link #184
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Well, its been established that he'd rather endure the pain than someone else, so I can't help but feel a little empathetic for him. Although that gives him a -1 in the teamwork area - he is carrying a pretty heavy load.
I can't wait for the training sessions

And yes, that is indeed quite a Saber plushie
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Old 2006-03-06, 20:19   Link #185
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i guess what rin said was true then. if a master had a murderous intentions then he/she will be able to summon a servant with the same attitude. in shirou's case, i think he was able to summon saber because like her, he has a knight-like heart. and of course that other thing which im not gonna mention because it's a game spoiler
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Old 2006-03-06, 23:07   Link #186
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Old 2006-03-06, 23:22   Link #187
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found the H-CG first

Then heard about the game

Then the Anime

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Old 2006-03-07, 00:42   Link #188
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I took a bit of a roundabout route, actually - I was interested in the Tsukihime anime, then heard about it being a poor adaptation of the game. I did research on the game and got interested in the setting and other Type-Moon work in the same universe, namely, Fate. I've been reading quite a bit and following discussions, though I lack the language skill to play the full game.

And if I'm going to mention Tsukihime, I might as well mention that vol.2 of the manga is out and translated now, and that Kohaku is insanely cute in it.

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Old 2006-03-07, 03:54   Link #189
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Hm. My path to fate was a bit of a circuitous one as well, which started with Air. I was reading previews of the Air anime when it was first heading around (would have been September 2004, when a lot of the promotional stuff happened). And from that, I got sucked into Air rather completely. And it was on the Air board here, over a year ago now, that I saw listings of other H-game to anime conversions that were happening or might be happening, among them was prayers for Clannad, and of course, Fate/stay night.

So I went and read some things about Fate (without ever even seeing character designs) and thought that the story sounded like a lot of fun - though unlike Air, I didn't spoil myself as to endings and such. And then when it was announced, I started to wait for it, saw the curtain raiser (which was my first actual graphical view of Fate. And I rather enjoyed it, and thought that what I'd seen, combined with what I'd read, were enough to convince me to watch Fate as it started airing.


So I must say, I'm pretty much watching for the story. ^_^


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Old 2006-03-07, 06:52   Link #190
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Old 2006-03-07, 07:16   Link #191
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I took a bit of a roundabout route, actually - I was interested in the Tsukihime anime, then heard about it being a poor adaptation of the game. I did research on the game and got interested in the setting and other Type-Moon work in the same universe, namely, Fate. I've been reading quite a bit and following discussions, though I lack the language skill to play the full game.

And if I'm going to mention Tsukihime, I might as well mention that vol.2 of the manga is out and translated now, and that Kohaku is insanely cute in it.

Almost the same happened with me. I saw TSUKIHIME anime and liked very much (i'm a loser for cute vampire stories ^^'). So i search for some info and discovered it was based in a Ero-BGame. I read about the story of the bgame (i'm a bgamer, too), and i coudn't believe, the original story was waaaaay better than the anime! Absolutely hooked, i became a TYPE-MOON fan. So of course when i saw the next Type-Moon game after TSUKIHIME, FATE-STAY NIGHT, i was very happy.
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Old 2006-03-07, 08:21   Link #192
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And if I'm going to mention Tsukihime, I might as well mention that vol.2 of the manga is out and translated now, and that Kohaku is insanely cute in it.
I know i'm being of-topic and all.. but volume 2's so mine. >_>
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Old 2006-03-07, 16:14   Link #193
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It seems like again, i am 1 week behind the world in anime as i have just finished watching episode 9

after watching it i am getting either the impression that assassin is really strong, or saber is still holding back a lot of power. either way i dont believe that fight should have been as even as it was for saber being the best class was only par wtih assassin. also i noticed that the episode preview got more attention than the actual episode itself.

and as a side note: im seeing a lot of hints to the identity of one perticular servant
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Old 2006-03-07, 16:26   Link #194
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It seems like again, i am 1 week behind the world in anime as i have just finished watching episode 9

after watching it i am getting either the impression that assassin is really strong, or saber is still holding back a lot of power. either way i dont believe that fight should have been as even as it was for saber being the best class was only par wtih assassin. also i noticed that the episode preview got more attention than the actual episode itself.

and as a side note: im seeing a lot of hints to the identity of one perticular servant
Your not alone, I just finished watching episode 9 yesterday after school.
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well, it seems that saber doesn't get shirou's point. i guess shirou was trying to be a gentleman and doesn't want a girl to fight such gruesome battle. look! a saber plushie
lol, its fine if Shirou was trying to be a gentleman, but as of ep 9 his ability is still that of a meer human. I mean I can understand if Shirou has say Shiki's power then he might be able to do something beyond getting sliced up by beserker or lancer. Shirou should aquire some power before he goes out and make such grand statments as protecting saber who is far stronger then he is.
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Old 2006-03-07, 16:47   Link #196
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lol, its fine if Shirou was trying to be a gentleman, but as of ep 9 his ability is still that of a meer human. I mean I can understand if Shirou has say Shiki's power then he might be able to do something beyond getting sliced up by beserker or lancer. Shirou should aquire some power before he goes out and make such grand statments as protecting saber who is far stronger then he is.
Or maybe it may look like that Shirou want's to fight alone, it might be more like they are going to fight together. They can't make Saber miss her action's like that, so it looks more obvious that later he and she will fight together. You can't really say that Saber is far stronger than Shirou, remeber that Shirou has more power over her, by being her master. You won;t think that she will attack her own master, unless just maybe she is provoked.
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Old 2006-03-07, 16:54   Link #197
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I'm saying she is physically/magically stronger then he and that Shirou at this point does not have any speicall abilities (other then not dying after all most getting sliced in two by beseker). I mean Shiki is probably not as strong as Arc (when she wasn't suprised by him) but at least he can hold his own, but its kinda annoying when a person talks big but at the time of the statment has no ability to back up his words.
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I'm saying she is physically/magically stronger then he and that Shirou at this point does not have any speicall abilities (other then not dying after all most getting sliced in two by beseker). I mean Shiki is probably not as strong as Arc (when she wasn't suprised by him) but at least he can hold his own, but its kinda annoying when a person talks big but at the time of the statment has no ability to back up his words.

Well that's just the way they do it in most anime's where the girl is a very strong character but the guy want's to protect her.
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Old 2006-03-07, 17:00   Link #199
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I can name many animes in which that is not the case, all the gundams, Raxapheon (sp?), Escaflowne, even Tsukihime to some extend.
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Old 2006-03-07, 17:21   Link #200
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I was talking about the girl being strong, either way it's too early for the show for Shirou to be strong, it's not even at the conflict yet.

i can name a few too

Blue gender
Shakugan no shana
gunparade march
Elfen lied
Mai Hime

and most of these anime's you get the romance out of those type of characters.

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those are anime's where they want to protect the females when the guy himself is very strong, and female can not do anything.

ofcourse there are many anime's like that, but there are also the anime's I have said before the girl is strong, and the guy is weak, and the guy want's to protect her.
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