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Old 2008-11-08, 06:45   Link #701
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Actually no Iamandragon, Mystic Eye of Death Perception cannot kill servant. The servant is not under gaia(which explains why Gaia are trying to crush them.) and also the servant has already died before. And I think your underestimating the servants too much. In one interview Nasu said that Ryougi Shiki can only fight defensively against servants.

And please do not use doujin or fanfics as your reference unless they are approved by Nasu Kinoko himself. And If I'm not mistaken Berserker only have 12 lives not 17.
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Old 2008-11-08, 07:43   Link #702
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Sorry, I mean sliced into 17 pieces--but again, that's just a doujin.

Guess I've missed the interview--well then let's put the Shikis aside, and rephrase: Arcuied beat servants...no arguments in this?
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Old 2008-11-08, 08:03   Link #703
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Gilgamesh can defeat Arcueid. Other servants can defeat her but they need to play the right card at the right time.

Even if your stats got A-rank in everything, you will lose if you fight against opponent with superior tactics.

There is no such thing as a sure win in battle. At the most your chance of winning is 99.9%.
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Old 2008-11-08, 22:13   Link #704
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Depends on Arcueid's level, right? I doubt a servant can beat a 100% Arcueid.

Oh, imandragon, here's a link to some interviews.
http://web.archive.org/web/200705171...power+rankings
It says "Totally unofficial", but there are translations to some interviews by Nasu on there too.

Also, considering that Arcueid is four times the strength of a normal servant [I've heard three in other places, but according to the article...], I don't think other servants can beat her alone. It depends. I wonder how Arcueid's luck would match up against Lancer's Gae Bolg.
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Old 2008-11-08, 23:00   Link #705
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Oh great! Thanks OceanBlue for the link! Saved in my T-Moon folder ^o^

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Old 2008-11-11, 05:21   Link #706
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According to the Nasuverse relationship chart, there is a very low probability of KnK and F/sn meeting. I think they're closer to Tsukihime than KnK.

With fate/hollow ataraxia, it seems like the fate route was the most closest to it. The focus is more on the 8th master and servant I guess.
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Old 2008-11-11, 09:01   Link #707
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According to the Nasuverse relationship chart, there is a very low probability of KnK and F/sn meeting. I think they're closer to Tsukihime than KnK.

With fate/hollow ataraxia, it seems like the fate route was the most closest to it. The focus is more on the 8th master and servant I guess.
Man....since when did Shirou show any sign of tracing a 4 petal Rho Aias in Fate Route? It's much closer to UBW route or HF route.
I said UBW because Shirou actually saw Rho Aias projected in front of his face.
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Old 2008-11-11, 09:04   Link #708
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Man....since when did Shirou show any sign of tracing a 4 petal Rho Aias in Fate Route? It's much closer to UBW route or HF route.
I said UBW because Shirou actually saw Rho Aias projected in front of his face.
While in the basement of a church?
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Old 2008-11-11, 11:18   Link #709
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According to the Nasuverse relationship chart, there is a very low probability of KnK and F/sn meeting. I think they're closer to Tsukihime than KnK.

With fate/hollow ataraxia, it seems like the fate route was the most closest to it. The focus is more on the 8th master and servant I guess.
My mistake I guess.

hollow ataraxia is not based predominantly on one route. But the main character in this series is truly based on Bazette and Avenger. (not a true sequel either although it's created by TYPE-MOON)

I agree it does show a bit of the UBW route since Saber was ordered by Rin actually to destroy the Holy Grail.

And further more, Shinji survives.
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Old 2008-11-11, 12:38   Link #710
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While in the basement of a church?
No during the last fight against Gilgamesh. Shirou is standing there and chanting like an idiot. The reason he didn't turn into pin-cushion by Gilgamesh Gate of babylon is because Archer projected Rho Aias in front of him.
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Old 2008-11-11, 14:49   Link #711
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*blink* Huh, completely missed that detail. Where was that mentioned?
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Old 2008-11-17, 21:10   Link #712
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No during the last fight against Gilgamesh. Shirou is standing there and chanting like an idiot. The reason he didn't turn into pin-cushion by Gilgamesh Gate of babylon is because Archer projected Rho Aias in front of him.
If I remember correctly, Shirou is the one projecting Rho Aias while chanting the Unlimited Blade Works. Archer is too weak to interfere with the fight.
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Old 2008-11-18, 00:06   Link #713
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If I remember correctly, Shirou is the one projecting Rho Aias while chanting the Unlimited Blade Works. Archer is too weak to interfere with the fight.
Excuse me, but please explain where and when did Shirou saw Rho Aias? Not during the Archer vs Lancer church fight I'm sure because during that time they're busy fighting with Caster and Kuzuki.
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Old 2008-11-18, 10:48   Link #714
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So far for fate/hollow ataraxia, I get this weird thing that it focuses more on the harem genre:

Spoiler for fate/hollow ataraxia side story events:
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Old 2008-11-18, 13:18   Link #715
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No during the last fight against Gilgamesh. Shirou is standing there and chanting like an idiot. The reason he didn't turn into pin-cushion by Gilgamesh Gate of babylon is because Archer projected Rho Aias in front of him.
Well rather than saying he was standing there like an idiot, I'm inclined to believe he knew Archer was there, although in a kinda trance-like state since he is chanting, as he clearly states as "I(the "I" referring to Archer, maybe) pull a shield from the hill to receive the incoming Noble Phantasms!"

But that scene is screwy, as it seems like Shirou felt the strain of the projection, not unlike when he projected Rho Aias during the fight with him and Rider versus Saber Alter. Anyway, in this scene he clearly says that "my body is full of holes" and "the shield is my body" so it gets really confusing. He also appears to be coughing up blood as he does the chant, while Rho Aias is being punctured from Gil's assault. It's a confusing scene no matter how you look at it.
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