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Old 2003-12-20, 05:40   Link #61
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jesus THINK before you speak, please.

Where the HELL would Itachi have learned how to copy the 8 gates technique from? As far as we know, Gai is the ONLY character who would possibly know how to do that.

You seem to think Itachi is some infallible god or something.

Man you all might be Manga reeders but your hella missing something important

the 8th gate is.....DEATH and it doesnt have that name for no reason, even if Gai would be able to use it, hed die......so you dont even know if he can do it, there is NO ONE ALIVE that has open all 8 gates, if some one ever did, hes dead. ^_^

OMG.....and i still think Kakashi can kick that stupid nerdlike Gai >_<!
hope gai dies soon or something ^_^

P.S.....BTW.....where can i buy the manga? its in english right? some one send me the link to purchase ^_^
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Old 2003-12-20, 09:31   Link #62
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oh yea, Kakashi can really beat Gai.. thats why Gai is faster, and stronger than Kakashi, thats also why Gai stated that he can beat Kakashi in a fight... yep.. Kakashi sure can beat Gai...
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Old 2003-12-20, 12:04   Link #63
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3. A person with IQ 180 will not own a person will IQ 100 in every competition. Raw speed/numbers do not always decide who wins.
Um, not 180, do you know how much of a difference there is between 100 and 180 in iq? you're talking about an ordinary man vs. issac newton. Since you're using the IQ as a stat, only tests where intelligence comes to play would be applicable. and im pretty sure newton could basically own any normal person, if you gave him a day or two to study the subject being tested.

maybe 140-130 vs 100, because there are actually people that are learning disableded with IQ's of 140, and thus preparing for tests might be difficult for them.
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Old 2003-12-20, 13:00   Link #64
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oh yea, Kakashi can really beat Gai.. thats why Gai is faster, and stronger than Kakashi, thats also why Gai stated that he can beat Kakashi in a fight... yep.. Kakashi sure can beat Gai...
I don't... get it. Is that sarcasm? That's some pretty weak sarcasm, man.

We can't tell who's stronger. Kakashi's more into Ninjitsu and Genjitsu, whereas Gai's more about Taijutsu than anything else. But while they've got this running competion with each other, the extent of their fights have probably only been childish little things, like Janken.

They're both, probably, the most powerful and skilled of the Konoha Jounin. It's their differences in style that make it seem like one could be more powerful than the other. Because Gai can obviously become faster than Lee has shown himself to be, people would just instantly assume his Taijutsu would crush Kakashi. But Kakashi's countless Ninjutsu techniques and advanced Genjutsu make him even more dangerous to deal with than a Taijutsu expert. So, if anything, with their unique styles, they're probably dead even.
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Old 2003-12-20, 14:53   Link #65
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oh yea, Kakashi can really beat Gai.. thats why Gai is faster, and stronger than Kakashi, thats also why Gai stated that he can beat Kakashi in a fight... yep.. Kakashi sure can beat Gai...
hm let see Kakashi has the "Thousand Years of Pain", and gai has the "Manly Hug of Death". if they both did it to each other i am pretty sure they will both die thus lets just say they're tie.
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Old 2003-12-20, 16:18   Link #66
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Its pretty hilarious how you think a Taijutsu user will be effective against Itachi.

Itachi is probably the fastest character in the show, so i dont see how Taijutsu is going to be effective against him.

You can say that Gai can open his 8 gates, but do you honestly believe that Itachi hasnt copied the 8 gates manipulation in the past??

Itachi knows more jutsu than anyone is probably the fastest character on the show, the only people that may be stronger than itachi are perhaps the 5 other members of his clan and whoever leads that 7 man gang.
Fastest character - where do you get that idea from?
Knows more jutsu than anyone - more jutsus ≠more power (or at least not necessarily)
Only members of the Akatsuki are his equals - unknown (The Sannin come to mind)

About Kakashi vs Gai - they're even. Taijutsu, ninjutsu; apples and oranges. Ninjutsu is not more powerful than taijutsu, nor is it weaker.
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Old 2003-12-20, 17:03   Link #67
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I think too that Itachi is the fastest ninja that we saw so far. he's obviously faster than Kurenai and it seem to me that he's faster than Kakashi.

Knowing from the Special Naruto book that if Gai is faster than Kakashi, he's not that faster, I think that Itachi should be at least the equal of Gai in speed.

Gai and Kakashi have more or less the same level, Kakashi is really better in Ninjutsu and in the ability to use seals, better in genjutsu and clever than Gai.
But Gai is really better physically, better in Taijutsu and speed, their other abilities are the same.
In a fight both of them can win or lose.
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Old 2003-12-20, 18:16   Link #68
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Itachi is the strongest character so far in the series, period.
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Old 2003-12-20, 20:13   Link #69
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we dont know. maybe he has some sort of kryptonite substance.

and you still dont know, you have never seen him fight

and you still cant tell, you have never seen anyone (but the 3rd) fight all out.
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Old 2003-12-20, 20:42   Link #70
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how can i not tell? the third is stronger than jiraiya right? considering the third is hokage and oro is stronger than the third as we soon find out, and we know that itachi is stronger than oro, that means itachi is the strongest.
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Old 2003-12-20, 21:18   Link #71
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Um, not 180, do you know how much of a difference there is between 100 and 180 in iq? you're talking about an ordinary man vs. issac newton. Since you're using the IQ as a stat, only tests where intelligence comes to play would be applicable. and im pretty sure newton could basically own any normal person, if you gave him a day or two to study the subject being tested.

maybe 140-130 vs 100, because there are actually people that are learning disableded with IQ's of 140, and thus preparing for tests might be difficult for them.
That isn't necessarily true. The person with the lower IQ could be really good in one area, having studied it for hours everyday for years. Even if the person with the 180 IQ was familar with that area, he won't be able to match the years of hard work the other guy put into it, unless he put a similar effort into it. I learned that lesson in a chess game in high school. There are 2 ways to succeed at something, be naturally talanted or through hard work.
Anyway, back to Itachi. He can do hand seals so fast, they couldn't be seen. It's pretty clear he's the fastest character we've seen so far, at least with jutsu.
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Old 2003-12-21, 03:55   Link #72
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how can i not tell? the third is stronger than jiraiya right? considering the third is hokage and oro is stronger than the third as we soon find out, and we know that itachi is stronger than oro, that means itachi is the strongest.
Not necessary... the 3rd is quite old already. I won't be suprised if he has lost the strength he had in his prime.
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Old 2003-12-21, 04:41   Link #73
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if itachi isn't the strongest character, than im gonna be scared. i mean this guy can f*#@ people up by just staring at them man. whats the next guy gonna do, make u blow up by looking at u
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Old 2003-12-21, 04:45   Link #74
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lmao, i dunno... i dont know how long they will really continue naruto, because just how many climax's can they have?? it would turn into dbz where each time they destroy an enemy, a new, much stronger on comes along... i for one dont know if the series will include a character stronger than itachi without a leap forward in time...

anyways, thats my 2 cents
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Old 2003-12-21, 10:13   Link #75
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i hope itachi becomes a good guy and then a mad strong EVIL!!! guy comes along and itachi beats him to a pulp.
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Old 2003-12-21, 12:22   Link #76
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smee is right, Itachi IS the strongest character in the series so far. At least that's the idea the author wants to convey, because every fight Itachi has been in, he has dominated with ease, and oro's admission makes it obvious that that's what the author wants to tell us.

bottome like is that Itachi is just one bad ass m@#$@#$%. To put him in "S class" ranking is a disgrace. I'm pretty sure that if he hadn't gone berserk, he would have been the 5th hokage by now. Fortunately we know that in the end it will be sasuke who will get to beat Itachi, not naruto, so that means naruto will have someone EVEN STRONGER to fight against. I can only think of that being the Kyubi itself or another "kage" from another country...maybe one of the guys in that 7 man organization

I can't wait for the anime episode where Itachi shows up and kicks everyone's ass, all these light fights with genins are boring me..
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Old 2003-12-21, 12:54   Link #77
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how can i not tell? the third is stronger than jiraiya right? considering the third is hokage and oro is stronger than the third as we soon find out, and we know that itachi is stronger than oro, that means itachi is the strongest.
The Sandaime is stronger than Jiraiya
What? When? Why? How? I don't think there's ever been anything about Jiraiya's strength vs the Hokage's proving either strength or weakness

...which leads nicely into...
Oro is stronger than Jiraiya (implied, not explicitly stated)
Who knows? If there is a difference in ability, it's probably pretty small.

Itachi is stronger than Oro
I'm gonna go with most likely yes. We've seen people on this board debate this based on how Oro interprets strength, so the answer is not definitive.

Oro is stronger than the Sandaime
I'm gonna take a minute and argue this one. It may be true, yet not true.
After the fight, Oro = alive, Sandaime = not so much. A perfectly valid way to judge the outcome of the fight.

It wasn't exactly Oro vs Sandaime, however. It was Oro + Shodaime + Nidaime vs Sandaime. That's a little different. It is true, however, that Oro summoned them using his chakra and that they can be interpreted as ninja tools/techniques, no different from a shuriken or fireball (just infinitely more powerful).
But, Oro sacrificed the bodies of two of his Oto-nins to get the jutsu to work. Had the Sandaime been willing to sacrifice two of his Fire ninjas to destroy the bodies of the Sho/Nidaime and face Oro without using his suicide jutsu, the result might be different. (I can't say for sure b/c Oro didn't use any other jutsus during his fight; just summoning...and..sword summoning)

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lmao, i dunno... i dont know how long they will really continue naruto, because just how many climax's can they have?? it would turn into dbz where each time they destroy an enemy, a new, much stronger on comes along... i for one dont know if the series will include a character stronger than itachi without a leap forward in time...

anyways, thats my 2 cents
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if itachi isn't the strongest character, than im gonna be scared. i mean this guy can f*#@ people up by just staring at them man. whats the next guy gonna do, make u blow up by looking at u
I agree there. If Itachi looks like sh*t compared to the next villan, and the next, then what's gonna happen?
Naruto: I'll just get some more Kyuubi chakra and another ultimate jutsu
Sasuke: I'll just go to Curse seal level 346

Naruto may begin expanding horizontally rather than vertically; enemies not stronger, but with different talents. The only example I can think of right now might be Gaara (not counting Shukkaku for a second). He's not as strong as Oro, but harder to beat in his own way.

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...I'm pretty sure that if he hadn't gone berserk, he would have been the 5th hokage by now....
um...once again...the Hokage isn't ALWAYS the strongest ninja in the village. The kage would almost definitely rank in the top 5, but it takes more than power. It takes intelligence, wisdom, and the absolute trust of your entire village. If it were just about how much chakra you have, then Naruto would be Hokage right now.

To people that will argue with the 'A Hokage must know 1000 jutsus', read BETWEEN the lines! I don't think someone will be turned down b/c they only know 852 jutsus. Besides, what would a prospective Hokage candidate do? Stand in front of the village and perform 1000 jutsus in a row? A written test? The line was to illustrate how hard a Hokage has worked in their daily life prior to the nomination.
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um...once again...the Hokage isn't ALWAYS the strongest ninja in the village. The kage would almost definitely rank in the top 5, but it takes more than power. It takes intelligence, wisdom, and the absolute trust of your entire village. If it were just about how much chakra you have, then Naruto would be Hokage right now.

you're right, it's not just about sheer chakra, BUT, Itachi became a ANBU captain at the age of 13! to be a captain requires wisdom, leadership, ability to assess strengths and weakness, etc. Itachi had all of that at 13! 13!

Another example, Itachi chose to avoid unnecessary confrontation with Jiraiya and Gai. He probably could start a fight and win, but like shikamaru, he thinks about the situation before jumping into fire, this type of character is the most dangerous to deal with, cunning and powerful.

and let's not forget he took out the entire uchiha clan at the age of 13. No matter how strong a ninja is, to deal with what, 10+ sharingan jounins at once is ridiculous, he must have carefully planned out a battle strategy...yet another trademark of a born leader.
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The Sandaime is stronger than Jiraiya
What? When? Why? How? I don't think there's ever been anything about Jiraiya's strength vs the Hokage's proving either strength or weakness
Personnally, I think that the Sanin are all stronger than the 3rd before his death, he was called the God of the shinobi but nobody can win against the time, he was too old.

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...which leads nicely into...
Oro is stronger than Jiraiya (implied, not explicitly stated)
Who knows? If there is a difference in ability, it's probably pretty small.
Actually all the clues in the manga shows Oro stronger than Jiraiya but yeah I agree, I don't think that their difference of strenth is large.

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Itachi is stronger than Oro
I'm gonna go with most likely yes. We've seen people on this board debate this based on how Oro interprets strength, so the answer is not definitive.
Franckly in any way you look at it, Itachi must be stronger than Oro, Ninjutsu freak or not and without speaking about the expresses will of Kishimoto to show that.
You don't make say to your biggest evil vilain to his subordinate that somebody is stronger than him when it's not the case.

Oro is a ninjutsu specialist, a sharingan's user is simply the worst opponent for him.

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Oro is stronger than the Sandaime
I'm gonna take a minute and argue this one. It may be true, yet not true.
After the fight, Oro = alive, Sandaime = not so much. A perfectly valid way to judge the outcome of the fight.

It wasn't exactly Oro vs Sandaime, however. It was Oro + Shodaime + Nidaime vs Sandaime. That's a little different. It is true, however, that Oro summoned them using his chakra and that they can be interpreted as ninja tools/techniques, no different from a shuriken or fireball (just infinitely more powerful).
But, Oro sacrificed the bodies of two of his Oto-nins to get the jutsu to work. Had the Sandaime been willing to sacrifice two of his Fire ninjas to destroy the bodies of the Sho/Nidaime and face Oro without using his suicide jutsu, the result might be different. (I can't say for sure b/c Oro didn't use any other jutsus during his fight; just summoning...and..sword summoning)
Without even speaking of the fact that the 3rd admitted that Oro was stronger than him, or that Oro didn't even try to summon Manda or to help his dead summon (which are definitively tools, they have no personal will, they were just killing machines, completely controlled by Oro so not like Gamabunta or Manda for example).

The simple fact that the 3rd was obliged to use the shiki fuujin to call upon the god of death, which meant his certain death, shows that he had no other choice to beat Oro.
And even with that, he failed to kill him.
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raikage, i'll give you a good example of why oro is stronger than the third:

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