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Old 2003-12-21, 15:16   Link #81
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um ah......where the hell can i buy the damm manga?
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Old 2003-12-21, 15:32   Link #82
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um ah......where the hell can i buy the damm manga?
kinokuniya, asahiya, online stores (http://www.omochabox.com/s/home?i=0,1,9.1135)... anywhere they sell japanese books
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Old 2003-12-21, 15:49   Link #83
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kinokuniya, asahiya, online stores (http://www.omochabox.com/s/home?i=0,1,9.1135)... anywhere they sell japanese books

thanks .....but its a shame its not in english yet
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Old 2003-12-21, 15:51   Link #84
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do some looking around on there, and youll find some free manga, but theyve only done the first little bit...
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Old 2003-12-21, 15:58   Link #85
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raikage, i'll give you a good example of why oro is stronger than the third:

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Wellll...if you read my post...did I not say
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After the fight, Oro = alive, Sandaime = not so much. A perfectly valid way to judge the outcome of the fight.
What I was trying to say was that Oro had 2 extra souls to play around with. If he hadn't killed Kin and Zaku, he wouldn't have been able to use the Resurrection jutsu without sacrificing his own life. If he hadn't used the Resurrection, the Sandaime wouldn't have had to use the suicide jutsu (remember, he did it because there was no other way to beat the other Hokages).

So, a highly prepared Oro can beat a caught-off-guard Sandaime. And, while the Sandaime does say Oro can beat anyone in Konoha one-on-one, most likely including him, the 'most likely' implies once again that if there is a difference in ability, it's not overpoweringly huge.

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...[the two Hokages] have no personal will, they were just killing machines...
They apparently had access to their own chakra reserves and unique jutsus. Again, Oro prepared sacrifices beforehand, esssentially making the battle a 3 on one. Without Kin and Zak, you wouldn't see the Hokages fight. And, they were summons. They don't hint at Orochimaru's talent any more than Naruto's being able to summon Gamabunta. (Not to say Oro's not talented, though...he's very capable. He buried 2 kages.)
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Old 2003-12-21, 17:00   Link #86
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raikage, please use spoiler tags you pretty much spoiled the whole
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Old 2003-12-21, 17:04   Link #87
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hush smee, the title says FOR MANGA READERS ONLY
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Old 2003-12-22, 02:25   Link #88
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Wellll...if you read my post...did I not say


What I was trying to say was that Oro had 2 extra souls to play around with. If he hadn't killed Kin and Zaku, he wouldn't have been able to use the Resurrection jutsu without sacrificing his own life. If he hadn't used the Resurrection, the Sandaime wouldn't have had to use the suicide jutsu (remember, he did it because there was no other way to beat the other Hokages).

So, a highly prepared Oro can beat a caught-off-guard Sandaime. And, while the Sandaime does say Oro can beat anyone in Konoha one-on-one, most likely including him, the 'most likely' implies once again that if there is a difference in ability, it's not overpoweringly huge.



They apparently had access to their own chakra reserves and unique jutsus. Again, Oro prepared sacrifices beforehand, esssentially making the battle a 3 on one. Without Kin and Zak, you wouldn't see the Hokages fight. And, they were summons. They don't hint at Orochimaru's talent any more than Naruto's being able to summon Gamabunta. (Not to say Oro's not talented, though...he's very capable. He buried 2 kages.)
whoa! he killed KIN and ZaKU?..??? since when, lol i probably skim thru the manga too fast, but plz explain
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Old 2003-12-22, 04:32   Link #89
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He kills them off-panel to provide as a sacrifice to ressurect the First and Second Hokage.
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Old 2003-12-22, 11:46   Link #90
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What I was trying to say was that Oro had 2 extra souls to play around with. If he hadn't killed Kin and Zaku, he wouldn't have been able to use the Resurrection jutsu without sacrificing his own life.
That's right, so?
He has used 2 dead bodies as vessel to accomplish the Edo Tensei.
Like you must use a plant or a animal to use the Kawarimi, that doesn't change the fact that this jutsu is part of the strength of Oro.

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So, a highly prepared Oro can beat a caught-off-guard Sandaime. And, while the Sandaime does say Oro can beat anyone in Konoha one-on-one, most likely including him, the 'most likely' implies once again that if there is a difference in ability, it's not overpoweringly huge.
They're ninjas, to be prepared and to take your opponent off guard are also abilities, beside the 3rd knew that Oro prepared something.
The most likely implies that the 3rd only knew the strength that Oro had dozens years ago, when the two of us were younger and when the 3rd was still slightly better. He knew that Oro has improved but he can't knew how much.


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Without Kin and Zak, you wouldn't see the Hokages fight.
Without the bodies of Kin and Zak, the nuance is significant.

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And, they were summons. They don't hint at Orochimaru's talent any more than Naruto's being able to summon Gamabunta.
Like the dogs of Kakashi, all the weaker frogs of Jiraiya or Akamaru, they're tools because they're controled by their users not because their talent or chakra belong to someone else.
Gamabunta, Manda and Katsuyu aren't controlled, they fight only on their own will.
Thus they're not tools.
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