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Old 2007-09-22, 23:28   Link #401
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can the cat at episode 00 really talk?
yes, during the filming of that process it all became real ie talking shami
other left out scenes not shown in anime ep
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Old 2007-09-25, 11:38   Link #402
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hi, i'm new here. I've been reading the posts on this thread for some time now and i have some theories ( rather strange i think ) about Kyon
So... here it goes

Spoiler for all the novels, i guess:

In sort, you mean...

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Old 2007-09-26, 01:03   Link #403
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yes, theres the one where haruhi has the power and then theres the one where they support sasaki. so far they seem to coesist. as for which one is the real timeline, i suspect thats most likely for kyon to decide.
Thanks X207, I had to re-read the first the ALPHA parts, then the BETA parts last. I have a wierd feeling that, in the BETA 4 chapter when Tachibana Kyoko said:

"We firmly believe the powers Suzumiya-san are holding onto now
originally belonged to Sasaki-san. However there must be a mistake
somewhere that caused it to transfer to another person. And therefore, I hope
to change things back to how it was. In that case, the world will definitely
move in a much better direction."

How can the powers be suddenly transfer to Haruhi? Maybe I'm missing something but I don't think this timeline is cause by Sasaki, because Kyoko clearly stated that the powers must be transfer back to Sasaki. In that just who has the ability to cause a parallel time line, well we all know Haruhi can create the universe that way she fits it, but there are two persons that comes to mind.... Nagato and Kuyoh. I suspect its Kuyoh for the following reasons:

1. Yuki again got sick again just like in Snowy Mountain Syndrome.
2. Yuki just like haruhi can create, manipulate, and destroy dimensions and matter, but unlike haruhi, Yuki cannot create the universe. Yuki shows that in The Disappearance of Suzumiya Haruhi.
3.Itsuki Koizumi and Yuki acknowledge that The Canopy Domain is behind the incident that happend in Snowy Mountain Syndrome. Therefore, there is only one character that is able to create another timeline that overlaps the real timeline, is Kuyoh.

In conclusion: Kyoko, would be telling/asking/demanding that the powers should transfer back to Sasaki, even it shows that Sasaki has some abilities to read minds, (like Koizumi and Haruhi) but other wise... she is just a normal person. And all those coincidental meetings with Kyon, is not Sasaki doings. I suspect its the Sneering Bastard pullings the strings, The Intrigues of Suzumiya Haruhi (vol 7) Clearly stated Mikuru from eight days in the future, was kidnap by both Sneering Bastard and Kyoko, it clearly shows that they were incognito/following them from afar. Sasaki was not even involved.

Well, I truly believe is Kuyoh. Maybe I'm wrong,I had to re-read volume 1 to 8 again (GOD!!! I love Nagaru Tanigawa's work I could re-read over and over...hahaha ), just in case I miss something.

What do you think? It is Kuyoh...right?


Thank you
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In the prologue of vol 9, Kyon states this:

Spoiler for Vol 9 - Suzumiya Hruhi:


If that is the case: what if by coincident it's actually Sasaki, the reason I'm thinking it because how the ALPHA and BETA timeline also trigger by two factor:
The meeting with Suzumiya and the SOS Brigade's Member, prior to the creation of the timeline.
After the "call" to kyon.

Even though its POV of kyon, but it just way to coincident that its has to be involved with Sasaki.

Then there is the last Thought.

When Haruhi met Sasaki the first time, she (Sasaki) introduced her self as a "Close Friend", as Koizumi pointed/hinted this may have caused the sudden Close Space to appear more frequently. As this may be also a trigger for the 2 timeline to be created. The reasons are the following:
The second time SOS Brigade met, Sasaki had Kyoko, Kuyoh and Sneering Bastard with her. That may be the pointing gun.
Heres another way to put it.

SOS BRIGADE = SASAKI CREW

Haruhi Suzumiya = Sasaki
Koizumi = Kyoko
Nagato = Kuyoh
Mikuru = Sneering Bastard
Kyon

Each one correspond to each other, if the interpretation is correct... each one are rivals, but not Kyon.
Kyon is the only one that really does not have a rival, in some case he should be in the middle. And this added by the fact that Haruhi as pointed by Koizumi, his overload of "part-time" work he has to do, cause the Haruhi's mental instability. coincidentally started from the first meeting. On the second meeting, it was "what the camel back broke...", causing Haruhi to be annoyed or even just for arguing sake... hurt. As we all know she has deep feelings for Kyon, after all she it the one that chooses him. In some case, if she has got hurt, and not aware of what it may have caused, this new type of emotional imbalance (remember most of her life she was just a lonely kid) may actually caused the timeline to split in 2, one is the real one while the other one is her... lets say the "Hurt" one. In this case it involving Kyon to be in the middle. Perhaps, it like when someone wants you to be understanding about the sensitivity of how someone that most of their lives was actually alone, in an act of "GOD" (well just think of that for a moment ...), deep inside Kyon is there with her (not only in the PAST/PRESENT time frames). In some way it's like Haruhi given Kyon a chance to walk both path and he must discover the reason what is given to him. Such as that old saying... "each road must go somewhere". Haruhi can create multiple timelines, just like when Kyon and her were together in a new dimension, while the other one... Koizumi with the help of the "Organization" able to penetrate on the one haruhi just create, but for a small time. If you think about, as he said the old dimension is still in existance, while the new old is just created, "if Haruhi is merciful... the one old will continue with the new...." VOL 1. In that case, there was 2 dimensions in existances!!! All that by Haruhi powers. What if this Timeline is actually Haruhi as well....?

Too many theories... hahahaha

Enjoy the thoughts

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Old 2007-09-26, 05:51   Link #404
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In sort, you mean...

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That's right.
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SOS BRIGADE = SASAKI CREW

Haruhi Suzumiya = Sasaki
Koizumi = Kyoko
Nagato = Kuyoh
Mikuru = Sneering Bastard
Kyon

Each one correspond to each other, if the interpretation is correct... each one are rivals, but not Kyon.

So maybe two time lines are showing two different stories. One which belongs to kyon and the other one to, let's say' anti-Kyon...although not very likely
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In the prologue of vol 9, Kyon states this:

Spoiler for Vol 9 - Suzumiya Hruhi:


If that is the case: what if by coincident it's actually Sasaki, the reason I'm thinking it because how the ALPHA and BETA timeline also trigger by two factor:
The meeting with Suzumiya and the SOS Brigade's Member, prior to the creation of the timeline.
After the "call" to kyon.
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personally i think that story alpha will be chosen as it corresponds to the previous novels of haruhi holding power. unless the author lied about kyon i believe that 11th person is a slider. cant wait for vol 10 to be translated when it comes out
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Old 2007-09-26, 14:21   Link #407
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That's right.
Spoiler:





So maybe two time lines are showing two different stories. One which belongs to kyon and the other one to, let's say' anti-Kyon...although not very likely
I'm waiting for vol10 to come out, just see if it fits any, or maybe not....
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Old 2007-09-26, 14:28   Link #408
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personally i think that story alpha will be chosen as it corresponds to the previous novels of haruhi holding power. unless the author lied about kyon i believe that 11th person is a slider. cant wait for vol 10 to be translated when it comes out
The 11 person, is what got me thinking about how all the possibilities can be connected to Haruhi and Sasaki incidents. There are too many possibilities, to actually convey to proper communication may be lost in the translation hahaha

I can only see, how each possibilities be manifested in existence.

in sense....

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The series are getting better and better....!!!!!! Can't wait for Vol 10.
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That's right.
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So maybe two time lines are showing two different stories. One which belongs to kyon and the other one to, let's say' anti-Kyon...although not very likely

I had to add this... There are two timelines coexisting, Kyon is in the middle, just say for ALPHA timeline - Haruhi (since there is no meeting with the SAKAKI CREW), and the slider (the 11 person/girl that pop out of nowhere).

While BETA timeline - Sasaki (the meeting of the SAKAKI CREW had happend), and Yuki got sick.

Somewhere there was a similar incident on both actually had a similiar experience, I would like you check in the ALPHA about what did Koizumi and Kyon did after the meeting with the SOS 10....eerrrr.... 11 (kume!!!) hopefuls/participants/. And, on the BETA what did Koizumi and Kyon did, before both Haruhi and Kyon realized that Nagato wasn't there. Check out the similarities.



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Ok...so in both cases they're playing Ranju and the text is almost the same. Could it be a hint?
And one thing i don't understand:

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Ok...so in both cases they're playing Ranju and the text is almost the same. Could it be a hint?
And one thing i don't understand:

Spoiler for vol. 9:
I do believe is some type to hint, here are the reasons:
ALPHA timeline was totally different with the actions of each SOS crew members, I...ummm... had to read both timelines 4 times!!!
The reason is there was something that I couldn't grasp... I felt in the Alpha timeline it connoted to certains interractions of the SOS crew as if in sence they are more closer as family then a group being close friends.

BETA timeline was more unpleasant with the interractions between the crew, especially after class when Suzumiya kept on going out, the interraction between Kyon and Haruhi was less, seems more colder, this was hinted from when kyon was in the SOS class and the following actions occured

Spoiler for Vol 9:


I have this feeling this timeline the interractions between is off, as if something is making their interraction between them off. There is a possibility that Haruhi knows about the meeting between Kyon and Sasaki crew. The reason is that it somewhat seems she is avoiding him, (when he came in the class, and all day she just run around the school), and walking in with Koizumi to the SOS HQ.
Now... remember this timeline imposed mostly on Kyon and the Sasaki Crew.
If you recall, when he came in the room Nagato wasn't there, it didn't really matter at that point; Mikuru and Haruhi and Koizumi where there but the interraction as I felted it was off... way off.

BUT!!!

Something happend during that timeline that made the SOS crew to be more closer as they should be.... give you a hint... THE GAME.

It's was that whiched mirrow the ALPHA timeline, that was the trigger.

Let me give you this concept:

Have you ever heard about Dr. Michio Kaku, Andre Linde or Max Tegmark?

They are all scientists, I like the Linde explication on parallel universe even though all the other scientists are more or less the same.

THE BUBBLE UNIVERSE:
I'll use the wiki version.
Bubble theory posits an infinite number of open multiverses, each with different physical constants.

Counter-intuitively, these universes are farther away than even the farthest universe in our open multiverse.

The formation of our universe from a "bubble" of a multiverse was proposed by Andre Linde. This Bubble universe theory fits well with the widely accepted theory of cosmic inflation. The bubble universe concept involves creation of universes from the quantum foam of a "parent universe." On very small scales, the foam is frothing due to energy fluctuations. These fluctuations may create tiny bubbles and wormholes. If the energy fluctuation is not very large, a tiny bubble universe may form, experience some expansion like an inflating balloon, and then contract and disappear from existence. However, if the energy fluctuation is greater than a particular critical value, a tiny bubble universe forms from the parent universe, experiences long-term expansion, and allows matter and large-scale galactic structures to form.


Think how we stack CDROMS on top of each other, each cd represents a universe, they all have there own unique laws and realities, therefore they are different from each other. But... If one universe is just say "stronger", it will/may cause a "punch through" the other ones. Since at that point in time and space, both universe share the same reality... but a unique one that either one does not apply too. Say A +B =C, A is different from B, and B is different from A. But C is totally different from A and B, cause C is a creation from A and B, but is not as A and B. Get it?

And that was the GAME:

Well that is just my theory. I believe the real timeline or the Stronger one is what causes both timeline to share a similar experience. The question is which timeline?
And what/who caused it? I have a hunch!!! but I will see if it fits in Vol 10.

Enjoy the thoughts

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Old 2007-09-28, 16:08   Link #412
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Has there been any news on Volume 10 at all? I mean, it's been almost 4 months since it was delayed...
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Has there been any news on Volume 10 at all? I mean, it's been almost 4 months since it was delayed...
The Surprise of Haruhi Suzumiya
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stated on 2007-15-07

...."A note on Kadokawa's website has confirmed that Suzumiya Haruhi no Kyōgaku (The Surprise of Haruhi Suzumiya), the ninth sequel to The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya light novel that started the franchise, has been pushed from June 1 to an unlisted date "due to various circumstances."

Not sure what are the various cirmumstances, I currently searching through the web engine in Japanese, so far every it just speculations due to publishing. I'll let you know if anything else comes up. Even the webpage of Kadokawa's website doesn't say much.
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On the possibility of Kyon having some kind of powers. I would say that either his power is being immune to Haruhi's powers or else Haruhi does not want him to have any special powers. Because, if he is not immune to her powers and she wanted him to have some special power then he would have some special power.
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On the possibility of Kyon having some kind of powers. I would say that either his power is being immune to Haruhi's powers or else Haruhi does not want him to have any special powers. Because, if he is not immune to her powers and she wanted him to have some special power then he would have some special power.
Maybe Haruhi just wants to find out that life is good enough without aliens, espers and time travelers, however her deepest with is clouded by her more childish wishes
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On the possibility of Kyon having some kind of powers. I would say that either his power is being immune to Haruhi's powers or else Haruhi does not want him to have any special powers. Because, if he is not immune to her powers and she wanted him to have some special power then he would have some special power.
Like other Kyonist theories, you are completely ignoring the events of "Endless 8".

If Kyon is immune to her powers, he would never have been stuck in a time loop for that many times.
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Like other Kyonist theories, you are completely ignoring the events of "Endless 8".

If Kyon is immune to her powers, he would never have been stuck in a time loop for that many times.
I would hardly forget endless 8. I ment on a personnal level. i.e. she could not give him special powers like she did with Mikuro's contacts or when she changed the pigeons at the Temple white. Not that he could not get caught in a timeloop or some other change that she created. However, I think that she really wants him to be normal.
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On the possibility of Kyon having some kind of powers. I would say that either his power is being immune to Haruhi's powers or else Haruhi does not want him to have any special powers. Because, if he is not immune to her powers and she wanted him to have some special power then he would have some special power.
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Like other Kyonist theories, you are completely ignoring the events of "Endless 8".

If Kyon is immune to her powers, he would never have been stuck in a time loop for that many times.
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I would hardly forget endless 8. I ment on a personnal level. i.e. she could not give him special powers like she did with Mikuro's contacts or when she changed the pigeons at the Temple white. Not that he could not get caught in a timeloop or some other change that she created. However, I think that she really wants him to be normal.
There is tons of Kyonist around the world that are stating many theories about the true nature or the relationship between him and Haruhi.... yet this could be applied to the SOS Brigade.

A good friend of my told me this, I may or may not agree with it but this is how the conversation when:

"Keitaro!!! do you remember about the first part of the vol 1 of the novel?"
"huh? what about it?"
"Well, if you noticed, Kyon wants to believe in aliens, ESPERs, time travelers and what not. After he went to high school, he drop those childish delusions and accepted a normal grayish life...."
"Yep, I remember. What do you ask?"
"Well, his life became colorful when Haruhi come in the picture... someone that he never expected to have such or share the same notions as him.... AND... as we know she has feelings for him inside, but outside she is totally different then what Kyon expected. You see, don't you find it that, he actually found his ...better half?"
"What are you talking about?!? Kyon didn't found his better half, more likely she kinda found him. Yes, I do admit that she and he shares the same wavelength, but that doesn't mean that he found her. And... Haruhi more likely found him, remember she asked for aliens, ESPERs, time travelers and slider to come with her and..........Wait a minute...???? Sliders....... So far I came to that conclusion about that 11th person in Vol10. What are you trying to imposed? That Kyon is like HARUHI!!!???"
"No, no, no..... I don't think he is like her. But I believe deep inside of her that she wanted someone, her better half... by saying that.... don't you think she may have give him something besides being Kyon....."

Well, that what he told me. I don't think there is a possibily that Haruhi may granted him powers. I believe that he has powers all the long.
They are:

"TRUST"
"RELIABLE"
"COMMITMENT"
"ENDURANCE"
"KINDNESS"
"LOYAL"
"KEENNESS"


Those qualities, are powers each of us have that makes us human beings. In sense, Kyon is just a regular person, but has more to offer as a person and/or as a friend.

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I would hardly forget endless 8. I ment on a personnal level. i.e. she could not give him special powers like she did with Mikuro's contacts or when she changed the pigeons at the Temple white. Not that he could not get caught in a timeloop or some other change that she created. However, I think that she really wants him to be normal.
Still, that just mean you are following Itsuki's theory.

As I mentioned in the past, the "Haruhi made everything happen" view is the easiest to comprehend because it is the simplest. But that doesn't mean it was right.

From recent novel events, we know that in a non-magical way...
Spoiler for novel spoiler:


But that certainly doesn't mean Haruhi spontaneously generated people to her liking. She could have, and would have had not Snow White canceled her plans. It's not that Haruhi wanted Kyon to be normal; Haruhi wanted Kyon to be Kyon. You are not really in love with someone, unless you are willing to accept your partner for who he/she is.
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Still, that just mean you are following Itsuki's theory.

As I mentioned in the past, the "Haruhi made everything happen" view is the easiest to comprehend because it is the simplest. But that doesn't mean it was right.

From recent novel events, we know that in a non-magical way...
Spoiler for novel spoiler:


But that certainly doesn't mean Haruhi spontaneously generated people to her liking. She could have, and would have had not Snow White canceled her plans. It's not that Haruhi wanted Kyon to be normal; Haruhi wanted Kyon to be Kyon. You are not really in love with someone, unless you are willing to accept your partner for who he/she is.
She wanted the cat to be special and he talked, she wanted white pigeons and they turned white, she wanted cherry blossums and the trees bloomed out of season. If she wanted Kyon to have special powers then he would have special powers. She just wants him to be himself. And I don't think that any of those things require Itsuki's theory. There was no need for her to spontaniously generate people. She just did things that, as your spoiler indicates, brought the people she was seeking to her.
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