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Old 2006-11-02, 16:49   Link #101
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I really liked the resolution, because...

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And I really should read Phantom of Inferno sometime. I got it with Ever17 but never got round to it in the end. Shame it's 2 hours away at the moment
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Old 2006-11-02, 17:15   Link #102
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I've written a longish review for Phantom of Inferno here. You'll also find two trailer videos for download there.

Ever17 was an enjoyable experience and definitely worth the money I spent. But since the question was which games are the kings and classics of the genre - I'd say Phantom is the undisputed best visual novel translated to English.
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Old 2006-11-02, 17:25   Link #103
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I certainly can't say anything about PoI because I haven't played it, but it'll surely have some tough competition against Ever17. That said, all the Hirameki localized games I've played kept surprising me and being better than the previous, so...
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Old 2006-11-14, 02:37   Link #104
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So this game is sad?I don't like sad stories. Ahh, for a game I can get...

EDIT: So what's your opinion fellow gamers? Do you think that I should try it even if I'm afraid of main characters dying, a lot of people dying or not-so-happy-endings?

PD: I look so feeble writting that....

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Old 2006-11-14, 12:41   Link #105
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You might not like Takeshi's paths in that case.

I've finally unlocked Coco's path now... I hope it's as good as everyone says...
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Old 2006-11-15, 09:07   Link #106
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Ever17 is a fairly good visual novel, but has a slightly too convoluted resolution for my taste to quite make the top group.

But if you liked the format and are looking for other very good games of this genre: The (IMHO) undisputed king of the hill storywise is "Phantom of Inferno". I can't recommend it enough, and unlike Ever17, it has many _logical_ true endings which differ pretty much.
It's that scenario-writer's style. Look at his other games like Never7, Remember11, EVE new generation, it's all like that. Heck, as long as the theory he used is not proven wrong, it is POSSIBLE. Reading his work will enable you to have an open mind on science and logic

And you want unconvoluted resolution? Eve ~burst error~ made back in 1995 (PC98 years I think...) was a very good one.

For Phantom of Inferno, it's one of the top games in the year 2000, along with AIR, TSUKIHIME and GINIRO etc. Ever17 is one of the top games in 2003, along with CROSS CHANNEL, BALDR FORCE EXE etc. Hence they are all proven successful and personal favourites were pretty much depended on TASTE.

And on the bright side of news, this scenario-writer (I don't know japanese so I can't spell his name out) is back with KID again to make the fourth game in the Infinity series: "12riven" - it is called. Hmm, wondering when will it be translated... (For those who are wondering, Ever17 is the second game in the infinity series, and arguable the best one out of the existing 3)
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Old 2006-11-26, 18:21   Link #107
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And I really should read Phantom of Inferno sometime. I got it with Ever17 but never got round to it in the end. Shame it's 2 hours away at the moment
It actually makes quite a bit of sense if you think about it.

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This definitely one of the best visual novels I've seen and I really liked it (I usually abhor them). The writing is sharp (both original dialogue and translated although there are tons of errors) and the characters are great for the most part. The writer took care to leave clues all over place for the player but they're all kind of embedded and you have to place close attention to the dialogue to catch it.

My only other beef with the game is that...

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Old 2006-11-26, 18:33   Link #108
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Old 2006-11-26, 19:17   Link #109
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Old 2006-11-26, 20:18   Link #110
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Oh, so I did see Sara's Epilogue. I thought it was something else because when I get her ending it just transitioned straight into it.

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Old 2006-11-26, 23:12   Link #111
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Mmm...

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Old 2006-12-09, 02:15   Link #112
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That's the Tsugumi good ending.

If you wanna find out more, you have to keep playing. The story is a lot...bigger than it seems at first.
omg... that's the good ending? @_@ sigh~ dunno how good that is to end up dying under the crushing sea water.

I finished You's good ending first and was trying hard to get something different off Tsugumi... Tsugumi's ending is very touching... i haven't seen a game like ever 17 for a while...

but i sware somebody could have put a hint say that... that ending is a good ending ._.

PS: just read thru all the spoiler... in the name of the FSM i think this game is reallllllllllly worth it... omg /goes in addict mode
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Old 2006-12-09, 14:25   Link #113
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Mmm...

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omg... that's the good ending? @_@ sigh~ dunno how good that is to end up dying under the crushing sea water.

I finished You's good ending first and was trying hard to get something different off Tsugumi... Tsugumi's ending is very touching... i haven't seen a game like ever 17 for a while...

but i sware somebody could have put a hint say that... that ending is a good ending ._.
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Finally managed to finish the game aswell, final revelations in Coco's ending were beyond ridiculous but I guess it all fit with what happened before. Ok game overall, but kinda lacked emotional impact, didn't care about any of the characters that much either.
Yeah, that's pretty much how I felt too. Sara's story was horrendously done, as was the second half of Coco's path. On the whole, I think the writing wavers chaotically between excellent and atrocious, depending on the scenario and scene.

Overall, I did enjoy several You (directly written by Takumi Nakazawa, I think) and Sora specific scenes, which I found to be much better scripted than the rest. Emotional impact was minimal, but I don't think you need a lot of that to present a decent story.

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Old 2006-12-09, 19:07   Link #114
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Old 2006-12-10, 15:59   Link #115
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btw is there an ending where everybody dies?
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Old 2006-12-11, 15:21   Link #116
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LOL

My guess is no, but I haven't even finished the game yet (stupid school!)...
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Old 2006-12-11, 18:13   Link #117
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btw is there an ending where everybody dies?
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Old 2006-12-11, 22:54   Link #118
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can you tell me what would happen in their bad ending please?

edit: also... a question...

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Old 2006-12-12, 12:37   Link #119
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can you tell me what would happen in their bad ending please?

edit: also... a question...

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All the other stuff you don't understand will be in Coco's path; the differences you describe are merely differences between the different paths.
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Old 2006-12-13, 00:15   Link #120
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:O very interesting... so to get the bad ending I'll just have to try to hit on both girls? and also..

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