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View Poll Results: Suzumiya Haruhi Episode 3 Rating
Perfect 10 56 26.79%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 82 39.23%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 41 19.62%
7 out of 10 : Good 20 9.57%
6 out of 10 : Average 5 2.39%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 0.48%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 1 0.48%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 3 1.44%
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Old 2006-04-17, 21:26   Link #61
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Pacing felt a bit off, and animation looked slightly inconsistent. That, and the uncomfortable feeling I got with all the Mikuru-bullying...

It may be kind of weird that I thoroughly enjoyed the boob-grabbing scene in episode 2, but the abuse Mikuru went through here just made me feel sorry for her. Maybe the BGM had something to do with it (sad music compared to silly percussion).

(... for some reason whenever I try to use apostrophes or slashes in this post, Firefox acts up. Not sure why.)
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Old 2006-04-17, 21:57   Link #62
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I felt severe unease watching this episode, so I'll join dkellis on the side of the twisted people. I laughed out loud and thought the second ep's groping was hilaaaaarious, but it was hard to enjoy it in ep three.

It's starting to dawn on me just how cut off Haruhi is from reality. I really need the rest of the show + major thinking + help, in order to be able to rewatch it in the right mindset, where I stop thinking of it as comedy. I'm sure it's just fabulous if you've read the novels. :/

Haruhi 03, put simply, scares me.
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Old 2006-04-17, 22:12   Link #63
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Haruhi is so cut off from reality, making whatever she does all the more real... I was disturbed with the PC acquisition thing. That is ruthlessness in its true form in some ways. Her extreme actions exceed any other anime characters in 2k6 (a formidable match to Haruko, FLCL), the animation so fluid that it is OVA+ level, the dialogues so natural that it feels as if it is live...


Haruhi wins... while making enemies out of everywhere all the way.
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Old 2006-04-17, 22:19   Link #64
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Considering some of the things that Haruhi plans to say if the Computer society club doesn't cave in to her demand, I can't help but feeling sorry for Mikuru either. I hope Kyon will have more success in helping Mikuru in the future but it's hard to see what he can do.
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Old 2006-04-17, 22:20   Link #65
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I thought I'd put in a tiny novel vs anime question here, which isn't really a spoiler or anything, just being nice in case someone here would take offense to such a harmless and pleasantly asked question:
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I don't really read the novels, just needed the kanji on paper to be able to figure out WTF was going on at times.
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Old 2006-04-17, 22:41   Link #66
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I thought I'd put in a tiny novel vs anime question here, which isn't really a spoiler or anything, just being nice in case someone here would take offense to such harmless and pleasantly asked question:
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I don't really read the novels, just needed the kanji on paper to be able to figure out WTF was going on at times.
I don't think it really matters either way. I think having Kyon take the pictures would actually make Haruhi worse since she's ordering someone to do her dirty work.

Oh, but for those of you worried about Mikuru's chastity at this rate, don't worry, this is probably about as worse as it gets. Haruhi's "the-world-revolves-around-me" attitude remains constant though. (An example: Haruhi thinks crabs should have shells that are edible too so that she can eat them more easily, and blames the crabs for not learning anything through evolution)
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Old 2006-04-17, 22:44   Link #67
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Oh, but for those of you worried about Mikuru's chastity at this rate, don't worry, this is probably about as worse as it gets. Haruhi's "the-world-revolves-around-me" attitude remains constant though. (An example: Haruhi thinks crabs should have shells that are edible too so that she can eat them more easily, and blames the crabs for not learning anything through evolution)
I agree with her on the crabs. Thats why I mostly eat crabs that are in the middle of molting and the shells are soft Damn I am getting ngrey.
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Old 2006-04-17, 23:08   Link #68
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That, and the uncomfortable feeling I got with all the Mikuru-bullying...

It may be kind of weird that I thoroughly enjoyed the boob-grabbing scene in episode 2, but the abuse Mikuru went through here just made me feel sorry for her.
Don't worry, that will be about as bad as it gets.

However they did tone it down quite a bit for the anime. Haruhi was far more evil and thuggish towards the computer guys in the novel (if you can possibly imagine it) and poor Mikuru was considerably more scarred by the events than she was in the anime.

Haruhi's certainly no angel anyways, that's for sure.
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Old 2006-04-17, 23:21   Link #69
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I don't think it really matters either way. I think having Kyon take the pictures would actually make Haruhi worse since she's ordering someone to do her dirty work.
Nah it just wouldn't be the same without her doing it. Can you imagine the scene with Kyon doing it? I would agree with just having Haruhi because that's just so her.

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(An example: Haruhi thinks crabs should have shells that are edible too so that she can eat them more easily,
Reminds me of that Dilbert episode where the "boss" complained about eating clams and how after going through a dozen of them he gets exhausted to the point he then realizes after being questioned that clams have "shells"

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and blames the crabs for not learning anything through evolution
That would go against everything evolution stands for

Though I must admit, Haruhi is the most unethical character I've ever seen in such unusual fashion. Episode 2, holy crap, she's like the combination of all the worst and evil minds in the world mixed into an innocent-looking girl who has no boundaries or limits
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Old 2006-04-17, 23:37   Link #70
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That's actually quite an important clue. Since Haruhi called the Taikutsu episode "episode 7", that hints at the possibility that Yuutsu (volume 1) will actually take 6 episodes to finish (makes sense page wise). So it's likely what they're doing is sliding in events from the later volumes to "space out" the "major" events that's going to happen in the latter parts of volume 1.

Maybe something like:
Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu I
Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu II
Suzumiya Haruhi no Taikutsu
Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu III ?
Maybe like this:
1話 朝比奈ミクルの冒険
2話 涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱Ⅰ
3話 涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱Ⅱ
4話 涼宮ハルヒの退屈
5話 涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱Ⅲ
6話 涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱Ⅳ
7話 笹の葉ラプソディ
8話 涼宮ハルヒの溜息Ⅰ
9話 涼宮ハルヒの溜息Ⅱ
10話 射手座の日
11話 涼宮ハルヒの消失Ⅰ
12話 涼宮ハルヒの消失Ⅱ
13話 涼宮ハルヒの消失Ⅲ
14話 涼宮ハルヒの消失Ⅳ
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Old 2006-04-17, 23:38   Link #71
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holy crap, she's like the combination of all the worst and evil minds in the world mixed into an innocent-looking girl who has no boundaries or limits
You may say that, but Haruhi is not evil, in traditional sense. More like rampant disregard of other's well being .

Actually that's not exactly right.

Spoiler for minor-medium:


As the story goes on, you will see different side of Haruhi. Some are nice, some are funny, one or two even made me go "wow I never knew she is like that inside her mind". The story needs time to develope its characters.

There is a method in her madness. More than method, actually. She is a very rounded character.

If I have to complain, I would complain about Mikuru. She gets the short end of the stick in terms of character developement. Therefore out of the four primary supportive characters, I like her the least.

Spoiler for very minor:


Spoiler for speculation for other novel readers:



Those aside, the pacing of this episode left much to desire. Animation is still top-notch, but the pacing....

To Sushi-


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Old 2006-04-17, 23:46   Link #72
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You may say that, but Haruhi is not evil, in traditional sense. More like rampant disregard of other's well being .

Actually that's not exactly right.
That's the problem, when I commented that I wasn't sure how to explain the other part where she's not evil because simply she's not. She's not out to harm or kill anyone of that matter. It's all about fun.
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You'd have to define Haruhi as "innocent" as in the pure definition of the word: uncomprehending of the impact of actions. Innocent beings pull the wings off of flies out of curiousity or push The Shiny Red Button to see what happens.
I don't think she's that extreme but she just assumes that everyone else sees the natural need for certain things to happen the way she does.

edit: hmmm, I've worked with Asperger syndrome teens ... and Haruhi doesn't qualify, at least not any more than marginal. She has full emotional spectrum, doesn't talk "that way" --- she just assumes everyone else wants to have fun, too. She thinks Mikuru is having fun.... Asperger types are really hard to be around --- you know.. the guy in the back of the hobby store that is shouting in a monotone and quoting from page 223 of the D&D manual closed in front of him.

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Old 2006-04-18, 00:10   Link #75
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I would kind of agree with the other comments on the pacing, which though not bad was slightly 'off' compared to the even wham-wham-wham staccato of episode 2. But thats more because of them having to start bringing in the more 'serious' parts of the novels which are slower than the comedy parts.

About Mikuru-bullying...

1. Kyon's involvement: Actually I disagree that having Kyon take the pictures makes Haruhi even more to blame. If Kyon does take the pictures (like in the novel) it makes him complicit in whatever Haruhi does, whether or not Haruhi did order him to do it or not. In fact, there are many times I spotted in the novels when Kyon could have said something about Haruhi's forcing Mikuru to cosplay but didn't because to some extent he enjoyed seeing Mikuru cosplaying even though Mikuru obviously did not like it. I don't think Kyon's complicity in whatever Haruhi does, no matter how much he insists 'it has nothing to do with me', can be ignored.

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2. Frankly the 'computer blackmail' scene isn't that disturbing in the anime or in the novel for me. I couldn't help but laugh. Though of course they are 'cruel', I found most of the Mikuru-bullying scenes funny in the black humor type way but it's actually another Mikuru-bullying scene in the 2nd novel that left me with a bad taste in my mouth and really soured my enjoyment of Haruhi.
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Old 2006-04-18, 00:32   Link #76
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I can't believe they leave that cliffhanger out in the opening though XD

I would have thought that the studio would finish that part and leave the fans discussing the impact and what this symbolizes for the week to come. Pity.

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Because there are so many ways I can interpret Haruhi actions, I became fascinated with her character. The author used many devices, obvious and hidden, to illustrate her character. Add this to the different sides of her personality. I became fascinated with her character and, the rest is history .
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Old 2006-04-18, 01:01   Link #77
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Because there are so many ways I can interpret Haruhi actions, I became fascinated with her character. The author used many devices, obvious and hidden, to illustrates her character. Add this to different sides of her personality. I became fascinated with her character and, the rest is history .
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If it mitigates it any I only read that part which bothered me last night at the tail-end of my novel-reading time just before I went to bed and today was a busy day so I haven't had much time to think about the reasons/possible interpretations of that one. A big gently smiling Haruhi still graces my desktop and will continue to do so for a long time. Its just the sudden impact of those words didn't agree with me, just like for others it was the Mikuru-blackmail.

Haruhi is a very controversial character in that sense but it is precisely that which makes her the interesting and fascinating character like you say. As a 'character type' I think Haruhi is quite unique. Earlier some posters (Sushi-Y was it? I don't remember ) have tried to fit her into the tsundere type but they admit its hard to do so. Haruhi really isn't a traditional tsundere-ko in any sense. I remember the short article at the back of the 1st novel about how it won the prize referring to Haruhi as an 'unprecedented character' which I find is really apt.

Edit: About Asperger:
I didn't know anything about it until I googled it after reading it here but one thing particularly caught my mind:
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Persons with AS show marked deficiencies in social skills, have difficulties with transitions or changes and prefer sameness.
That's definitely not Haruhi. She abhors sameness and is all about change and loves things different from the routine.
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Old 2006-04-18, 01:50   Link #78
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Haruhi is a modern interpretation of a classical Greek hero(ine) if we think about it. Luckily the take's not Shakesphereian since her greatest strength would be the perfect downfall. After thinking of Haruhi outside of anime context, I find her to be most befitting of the epic heroes.

Much like the flawed deities, Haruhi's personality is not taken out from straight cookie cutter. Her obsession and that undying thirst for change exceeds all else and it manifests itself in the display of her everyday antics, her mental states and
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That creativity which rivals that of Prometheus proves itself to be as horrifying as the gift of fire was to the gods (look at where the Greek gods are today?)

Kyon is unique in his role as not mere narriator but the bridge to observe the kind of 'madness' that is Haruhi. Haruhi, ever so curious of it all, becomes so destructive to the surrounding (as humanity is) as she refuses to conform and instead confronts/alters the very nature (again, humanity). Justifying means with ends, she relentlessly pushes her agenda of countering boredom. (Sounds almost hedonist utilitarian)

Haruhi becomes fascinating to me because... to me she embodies humanity. Ever so curious, ever so eager to play with fire, ever so headstrong, so proud, so uncompromising, maybe even nearsighted that she... we human... become monsters... freaks of nature in retrospect.

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Kyon does not shy in being the one that has the power to present and subsequently interpret the acts of the heroes... in some ways putting things into stone. He carries the weight of commentator which is from nearly of no significence to being the key influence with our conclusion on what we've been given. That in itself proves to be an interesting power... think of the power that Homer and all subsequent scribes and monks have had just in transcribing/retelling oral epics into how we know of them today.
Kyon's ventage point in observing Haruhi and the SOS is omnipresent in some ways. His narriation at time levitates him from the scene as he speaks directly to the audience and his access to all the actors seemingly fits everything into an acrylic case, just as Plutarch and his imitators have had the advantage of time as their mean of being omnipresent in their story retellings.

The strength in a pen or narriation though is relative (Leon Trotsky and an ice dagger illustrates that pretty clearly...) and it shows in Kyon's involvement. Funny in some ways and all too real as well >.< (though a bit bloody an illustration). I am liking him more and more as Haruhi progresses.

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Old 2006-04-18, 04:14   Link #80
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Haruhi is a modern interpretation of a classical Greek hero(ine) if we think about it. *snip*
and it shows in Kyon's involvement. Funny in some ways and all too real as well >.<
Nice. It seems that you've managed to pin down Haruhi's (and Kyon's) archetype
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