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View Poll Results: Fate/stay Night Episode 16 Rating
Perfect 10 27 15.98%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 49 28.99%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 45 26.63%
7 out of 10 : Good 34 20.12%
6 out of 10 : Average 9 5.33%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 0.59%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 4 2.37%
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Old 2006-04-28, 07:48   Link #321
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i'd be happy if they made a season 2 or lots of ovas
With the way of how the anime's bring in parts of the three scenarios together, i think anything after the anime would just be pointless.

Well.. if they wanted to make new stories.
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Old 2006-04-28, 09:35   Link #322
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I was thinking about the differences between the two swords of Saber, Caliburn and Excalibur. If i remember well, Excalibur is the sword of power, and Caliburn the sword of victory, right?

If i'm right, basically Excalibur's hit = massive destruction; Caliburn's hit = instant death/defeat/K.O.?

So, in a way, Caliburn is not very different than, let's say, Lancer's Gae Bulg or - even worse - Shiki Tohno [Tsukihime]'s eyes of death (he killed all the Nero Chaos' 666 lives with just one hit). What do you guys think?
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Old 2006-04-28, 10:10   Link #323
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There're two versions about Excalibur and Caliburn
One saying they're the same.

Another is saying Excalibur being the sword given to Arthur by the fairy, while Caliburn is the sword which chose the king.

Caliburn doesn't = instant death/defeat/K.O. in the anime, it's just another overpowered weapon created by the author to make sure the story follows the way he wants so. Let's say...Excalibur=beam cannon and Caliburn=bug

Gae BOlg, don't spell it wrong. Anyways...gae bolg is different. It doesn't pack as much power as either Excalibur or Caliburn. It's just a spear which carries a powerful curse which can twist fate.
Who's Shiki Tohno? I don't remember such character in F/SN...?
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Old 2006-04-28, 10:41   Link #324
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Shiki is from an earlier Type Moon game (I donno who he is or what he does, that's all I can tell you :\)

And I can't really define Caliburn, I think it is just your regular sword, but Shiro traced a version that would achieve his goal of killing Berserker (remember Archer said something about imaging what he needed to win? I think Shiro made sure that when he traced the sword, it had that one-hit kill built into it :\)

And Gae Bolg, unlike Saber's swords, does not get any power boosts when the Noble Phantasm is used, it just redirects it's attack to the opponent's heart. This makes me believe that if the opponent's armor is thick enough, or if they're fast enough, they can survive (much like Saber did). Good luck surviving an Excaliber blast
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Old 2006-04-28, 11:05   Link #325
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Who's Shiki Tohno? I don't remember such character in F/SN...?
He's the main character from the Type Moon game Tsukihime which was later made into an anime series. He has the power to see objects' "life-lines" (can't think of a better term). When these "life-lines" are cut the object is destroyed.
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Old 2006-04-28, 12:03   Link #326
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Old 2006-04-28, 12:04   Link #327
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That'd be brillant. Though we'll have to kill Yuji Yamaguchi(director of the anime), revive him as a servent, and have Archer teach him how to change UBW into UOW.
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Old 2006-04-28, 12:07   Link #328
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He's the main character from the Type Moon game Tsukihime which was later made into an anime series. He has the power to see objects' "life-lines" (can't think of a better term). When these "life-lines" are cut the object is destroyed.
Just watched the anime...doesn't make too much sense...(why do you need to see the break lines just to kill a person? Chop off their head and it's all done!)

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Shiki is from an earlier Type Moon game (I donno who he is or what he does, that's all I can tell you :\)

And I can't really define Caliburn, I think it is just your regular sword, but Shiro traced a version that would achieve his goal of killing Berserker (remember Archer said something about imaging what he needed to win? I think Shiro made sure that when he traced the sword, it had that one-hit kill built into it :\)

And Gae Bolg, unlike Saber's swords, does not get any power boosts when the Noble Phantasm is used, it just redirects it's attack to the opponent's heart. This makes me believe that if the opponent's armor is thick enough, or if they're fast enough, they can survive (much like Saber did). Good luck surviving an Excaliber blast
Armor won't stop GaeBolg. Luck is needed.
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Old 2006-04-28, 12:29   Link #329
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He's the main character from the Type Moon game Tsukihime which was later made into an anime series. He has the power to see objects' "life-lines" (can't think of a better term). When these "life-lines" are cut the object is destroyed.
Actually, they're more like the "lines of death" from anything, even living beings. With such power, Shiki could destroy anything, even immortal beings.

Like i said, with such power, he could destroy even Nero Chaos.

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Basically, Shiki's a guy you don't wanna mess with.
Yeah, specially in his "Shiki Nanaya"-mode. He was an absolute badass.
I just loved how he fought Nero in TSUKIHIME manga volume 2.
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Old 2006-04-28, 12:43   Link #330
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Just watched the anime...doesn't make too much sense...(why do you need to see the break lines just to kill a person? Chop off their head and it's all done!)



Armor won't stop GaeBolg. Luck is needed.
Shiki can see the line of existance for everything form the a grain of sand to the entire universe. If he cuts the lines he can end the existance for anything. His killed list included, Acruid, Nero and the Other Shiki which has a lesser ver of his power. He also came form a long line of assassins and was train form birth to be a master assassin.
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Old 2006-04-28, 14:27   Link #331
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With the way of how the anime's bring in parts of the three scenarios together, i think anything after the anime would just be pointless.

Well.. if they wanted to make new stories.
Like a new Grail War with Archerko? And perhaps all of the previous war's female servants could be indisposed due to pregnancy....
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Old 2006-04-28, 17:00   Link #332
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Like a new Grail War with Archerko? And perhaps all of the previous war's female servants could be indisposed due to pregnancy....
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Old 2006-04-28, 17:01   Link #333
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Old 2006-04-28, 20:31   Link #334
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Acruid was killed by him though she wasn't destroyed while Nero was...which is weird. If his power is only to kill a certain person, the eye of death is not needed...(anyone can kill a person)
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Old 2006-05-05, 02:50   Link #335
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Eh, I think you guys are underestimating how fast a woman's feelings can change.

When you're dealing with emotion, feelings, love, 5 hours is a long enough time as it is. Even her feelings changing over the course of 2 episodes was long enough.

In my opinion, you guys are too used to stupid anime like Love Hina where the feelings between people span over 20+ episodes.

Maybe I'm putting it in too short of words.

Okay let's say you meet this girl, and you and her have a professional relationship, but inside you think to yourself how cute she is when she's focused on work or mad at you. One day you and her get trapped in an elevator and might die. 5 hours in that elevator will go by, and you'd think you and her have been married for 5 years.

It's a heat of the moment type of thing, but because Shirou is so much like Arthura, but also dominantly protects her, she feels something she probably never felt even in her first life- A dependancy to a man.

You also forgot all those nights she stayed up waiting for him while he was at school trying to take on Servents by himself.

As someone mentioned, jealousy is love's first stone. Wanna take a guess at what the second usually is?
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Old 2006-07-08, 11:48   Link #336
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I don't understand how Saber's *original* Excalibur bounces off of Berserker's skin, but Shirou's *imaged* Caliburn (a lesser sword even in its original form) kills Berserker 7 times with one blow.
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Old 2006-07-08, 11:57   Link #337
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^ its because wht shirou images is something that he thinks that would beat his opponent...therefore his image becomes reality...thats wht i think
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Old 2006-07-08, 11:58   Link #338
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Shiki actually kills the existence by cutting the dot. The dot is the central point that holds the existence of whatever it is he's fighting together. The lines, when cut, just has their existence "collapse" in a sense, or "destroyed" in a physical sense, but not "destroyed" in an existential sense.

Oh, and traced Caliburn? PLOT DEVICE. The original wasn't even that powerful.

It was supposed to highlight Shirou's ability to refine and utilize Imaging/Tracing. As with Archer and Caladbolg 2, since refining a pre-existing Noble Phantasm ranks very high in the difficulty meter.

Well, it'd only work like that with Saber, at the least. That and, the way that Caliburn + Saber got Berserker killed is different in the anime than in the game.

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Here's an example of just how hard it is to modify Noble Phantasms. Although I'll be using someone else's example from Beast's Lair (because the way it was put was very sensible than anything on this topic).

Imagine the Mona Lisa as seen in person. Obviously everyone already has fixed perceptions of just what the Mona Lisa looks like. Now, imagine adding a part of neko ears on the Mona Lisa to serve as your modification. It won't hold, because the improvement doesn't agree with the imagery of the fixed perception of what the Mona Lisa is. Improving on something that's already been defined is a very hard mental task, moreso for that mental imagery to take form.

That is essentially Imaging/Tracing.
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Old 2006-07-08, 13:47   Link #339
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Seeing Saber with dual swords wouldn't make sense....knights only wield one sword =S and if they said her origin was in England...even more impossible with the Knight's code of honor.
She used 2 swords in the battle of Camlann against Mordred.
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Old 2006-07-08, 14:24   Link #340
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He meant dual-wielding. Of course you can use a second sword if necessary.
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