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View Poll Results: Fate/stay Night Episode 16 Rating
Perfect 10 27 15.98%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 49 28.99%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 45 26.63%
7 out of 10 : Good 34 20.12%
6 out of 10 : Average 9 5.33%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 0.59%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 4 2.37%
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Old 2006-04-22, 21:46   Link #121
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I get a little impatient every now and then.
I'll give you 3 clues.

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Do your own maths from there.

This episode was pretty decent. Fanservice aside, it did feature some decent character development and okay action, even if I feel the Caliburn scene was merely so so. It's not that much different from the game, but it didn't feel "epic".

Next episode will be s-x-e. Kuzuki vs Saber.
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Old 2006-04-22, 21:49   Link #122
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I'll give you 3 clues.

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Do your own maths from there.
I couldn't have said it better myself. ^^

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Next episode will be s-x-e. Kuzuki vs Saber.
Lets hope it comes out well.. 'cause we know how the fight goes. ^^;
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Old 2006-04-22, 21:57   Link #123
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Reminds me of G Gundam (second best gundam series yet). Well, I'll look forward to see those three things explained further in the anime.
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Do your own maths from there.
I'm not so good at math anymore.

About Shirou's chant, it's nice once in a while when someone explains what they're thinking of the situation as they use their special powers.
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Old 2006-04-22, 22:41   Link #124
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Aww I was expecting the fight to be something more..... I know shirou is going to own, but one poke die 7 times already, that's so cheeesy...

Luckily the rest of the ep saved it. Gave it a 7 based on the rest.
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Old 2006-04-22, 22:43   Link #125
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Am I the only one who's getting mildly annoyed because Saber suddenly displays way too many feelings?
No, not only you Npal ^^ in some cases in other anime I like it, but here with Saber I've felt that in a way it destroys her Knight image a bit Sure they can show Saber going all red but!, I dont really enjoy they way they are doing in right now, the scenes sometimes just feel like fanservice + showing Saber Blush.

Though I really wasn't expecting that much in the unquie/different character development in the way the character directly develops ( e.g Shirou growing stronger; who would of though that.. ). With the boy meets girl type story, but I was hoping that it would of been a little better in the way they do it ^^; Not to say its Bad, because I like Fate/stay night ^^ but alot of the Character development isn't something I'm really going to remember the anime for.

I really hope that they dont just dump Sakura character around for just to move the story would be nice if she has more of part to play in it, mabye not just one incident then thats.. all.. they are leaving hints and crap around but so far nothing really has come from it, looking forward to see how it pans out even if in ends up being simple I wont really mind as long as its interesting!
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Old 2006-04-22, 23:04   Link #126
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From reviewing this episode I'am starting to think that Saber is insecure about her sexuality.
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Old 2006-04-22, 23:13   Link #127
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You can just see Archer in the beyond. "That's it!? One bloody poke and he's dead?" They really made all that fighting Archer did seem pretty useless.
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Old 2006-04-22, 23:20   Link #128
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You can just see Archer in the beyond. "That's it!? One bloody poke and he's dead?" They really made all that fighting Archer did seem pretty useless.
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Wow after seeing ep 16, I wonder... Shirou's imaging speech for the second time was rather like a precursor to UBW's chant.
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By the way, Akio Ohtsuka = Berserker ftw.
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Old 2006-04-22, 23:49   Link #129
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Gets fixed i bit? I believe its something called 'Character Development', and as you can see.. it works towards the big picture that is the main story.
Character development takes time. You don't just go gaga over someone in 2 episodes. At least not when you're Saber/King Arturia. A real writer would have made the transition alot smoother, and oh I don't know. More believable?
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Old 2006-04-22, 23:52   Link #130
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good epsode overall



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Does anybody else find the way Shirou and Saber takes out Berserker chessy ?

It's not something I've imagined it will be like from the game, the animated version looks more like a scene from Casshern. I had expected it to be more epic than just a single stab......

Anyway, it was nice of them to add that Saber Ataraxia ofuro scene.
ya it was cool and all but one stab.

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Well, like she said, Shirou and her are the same. So she understands him quite well.

Saber's life is full of remorse as you can guess since she wants to "start everything over again". So, she is afraid that Shirou, by becoming a heroe to fulfill his wishes -being the protector of justice- ends up as she does. And, the fact is that we already know he ends up like she does, since he became Archer.

Beside, Saber and Shirou have a strong spiritual connection. She is now able to see Shirou's past just like Shirou can see hers. Maybe because she's starting to love him, she doesn't want him to experience the grief she had. She doesn't want him to be full of regrets and remorses like she seems to be. You noticed it yourself, she speaks in a sad tone, but this may be because she feels like her body does not fit to "seduce" Shirou as well.

...dood the part that scared me the most was when saber said
"my body is not like rin's..not a girls"
<< me..i was thinking she better not be a DAMN DOOD
then she said "i do not wish for you to see my body"
<< frikking scared me even more since i was thinking MAYBE SABERS A FRIKKING DUDE
then she said "a muscular body is unattractive to men right?"
<< wow RELIEF

on a side note damn that loli girl shes screwing things up for saber!!! and rin!!!!

oh ya i also liked how in the beginnign they used " エミヤ "when he was tracing his mana and stuff
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Old 2006-04-22, 23:53   Link #131
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episode 16 i think ilya is talented in ballet.....
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Old 2006-04-22, 23:54   Link #132
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that Caliburn attack is super powerful because Shirou has something that Archer does not.

let's just say the gold colored magic circuit is not just for show
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Old 2006-04-22, 23:57   Link #133
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Or it simply could have been that Saber's emotions were pent up all this time and now the transfer has caused them to come crashing down.

Then there is the sex analogy, many people can't seperate their emotions from sex. While it is easy to argue that they didn't have sex, the transfer was shown to be an intimate experience that gave them a supernatural bond.

From what we've been shown, every Servant/Master pair except Rider/Shinji has had some sort of emotional bond.
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Old 2006-04-23, 00:11   Link #134
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A 7 .. while there is a lot of fanservice action even if its just Saber .. the drawing put me off a bit.

And after that epic fight with Archer, that stab is just

On the remaining episodes ... I couldnt resist imagining Saber's (and Sakura) reaction on each other ... Definitely something I LOL. And deep down, Saber must be very thankful that Rider is no longer around... with the body complex against Rin, she have a hell lot of complex if she start compairing with that goddess
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Old 2006-04-23, 00:27   Link #135
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Seven out of ten. Berserker's speech was the highlight of this episode, nice to hear the guy do something other than roar in a gutteral fashion. Some fanservice (which got a bit too over the top), and some nice imaging going on.

Detractors for me were Saber (almost the entire episode, actually), and Rin's little spiel about the Excalibur's sheath. Rin talking (though I do love to see her have her go at exposition) was too... contrived? Perhaps it was just the translation I was watching, but it seemed like she was saying, effectively "Hey, by the way, here's an explanation of a plot point! Wasn't that cool!"

Believability, Studio Deen. Believability.

And that brings me to the first (though treated second) problem I had with this episode, and that is Saber. It is quite enjoyable to watch her changing into a human being with feelings and emotions. Very nice and all that. But happening over the course of twenty four hours? She has been showing some minor (very minor) feelings since the incident in the park (which was in itself highly contrived, I can't be bothered finding where I wrote that right now), but since the transfer of Shirou's magic circuit, she has become... girlish. Which happened, Fate time, the night before last. And it probably happened in early morning, etc, so in total, it's been only a day or two since she decided that she would develop feelings at all.

Saber's character before that in the series has been very resolute and very unemotional - or perhaps more detached than unemotional. It's all well and good to say that there is now an emotional bond between them that is strengthened (which Saber does say when she mentions spiritual links), but it should not happen this fast.

The amusing thing for me here is that in terms of anything actually going anywhere - almost the entire thing is rather one sided. Saber is the one who is getting 'emotionally attached,' far more so than Shirou. He is still acting in friend-mode, where he has been the entire show, though there have been murky and oblique references either way. But regardless of the relationships unfolding in the show (which I will be elaborating on again in the near future, as I did eight or so episodes ago) the evolution of Saber as an emotional 'female' character is too fast.

Reminds me of some rather silly arguments I've had over evolutionary biology with various devout religious people, who seem to think that evolution is claimed to be an 'instantaneous' process. It definitely isn't - and neither is the development of emotions in a real sense. And it shouldn't be shown as such.

Oh, one final thing:


Spoiler for Rider:



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Old 2006-04-23, 00:41   Link #136
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Detractors for me were Saber (almost the entire episode, actually), and Rin's little spiel about the Excalibur's sheath. Rin talking (though I do love to see her have her go at exposition) was too... contrived? Perhaps it was just the translation I was watching, but it seemed like she was saying, effectively "Hey, by the way, here's an explanation of a plot point! Wasn't that cool!"
Rin's little conversation about Excalibur's sheath isn't as much of an explanation as it is a hint to both Saber's past and Shirou's ability and history.
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Old 2006-04-23, 01:04   Link #137
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@ archer

I'm not complaining at what it is, I'm complaining about how it was done. Perhaps a better word would have been 'exposition' instead of 'explanation' - though she is indeed explaining about Excalibur and its sheath. I'm quite aware of what is coming up in regards to Saber and Shirou - I'm just somewhat disappointed in the way that the writers are choosing to bring some of the material across


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Old 2006-04-23, 01:34   Link #138
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By the way, Akio Ohtsuka = Berserker ftw.
[spiler]And even if Archer managed to trace it, there's no saber to use it with him:P[/spoiler]
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Old 2006-04-23, 01:44   Link #139
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caster said that just lancer and saber are left but...
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