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Old 2009-03-07, 19:22   Link #1921
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Again, a consumer point of view, and again, your complain from category of RPGs alone, not from other categories such as FPS, actions type games and blabla. From the overall sales PS3 titles matched those of 360’s, but yeah their gaming division were still recorded as a loss because PS3 hardware prices.

Look, it’s not a secret that Sony’s jrpgs lineups sucks, but its not just jrpg in the gaming industry, there are others as well.
Of course I am speaking from a consumer point of view as well. As I said Sony can only blame themselves for their poor decisions so far regarding the marketing of their products and regarding their scarce support towards developers in general, which is why the PS3 had a rought start so far.

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Dare I say that the ‘Multi-Branding’ succeeded? Hell yes. The overall ‘FPS stigma’ for the ‘Xbox 360’ is still there, but consumers from other segments won’t be as stupid to avoid the ‘Xbox’’s new appeal especially when their previous PS3 favorite titles are there. So far Microsoft succeeded in drawing new fans from outside the Xbox area.


And I’m one of them….
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And I'm one of them as well. Never owned the first Xbox nor got really interested in it (only a handful of titles that really interested me), but their marketing strategy on the 360 and their broad lineup are what made me get the system. And I'm not the only who's considered this. For instance Italy has been a sort of Sony stronghold until a year ago, but in the latest six months the 360 has been regularly outselling the PS3 due to Microsoft strategies (price cut and intensive marketing of their console and product on TV, radio and such). People are not dumb, when they compare two systems who pretty much offer similar lineups (the difference being the exclusive titles) they'll consider the cheaper one. And I'm sure that once the PS3 will get a significant pricecut things will revert back again.

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So where does the Sony when all of this happened. Too busy restructuring to cover the PS3 production cost so they focused on handhelds instead. With Sony’s financial difficulties were like blessing in disguise for Microsoft.

The only thing Sony and Microsoft didn’t expect was the Wii’s utter dominance. But 80% of the Wii consumers aren’t even real gamers and just casual ones like my colleagues who only played Wii Fit and Sports lol.
Sony's financial difficulties came at unfortunate moment for them, but that's also part of the game. The same happened to Nintendo back during the N64 era, not to mention Sega's downfall (it's highly unlikely Sony will meet the same fate though).

The Wii is a on a league of its own, since most of their consumers do not belong the same segment where the PS3 and the 360 are focusing their attention on.

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The 360 might have a wider range of games, but looking at the technical aspect, the PS3 is superior to the 360. KZ2 proves it and I believe that game has not push the PS3 to it's limits like how Gears2 had been said to be utilising all of 360's resources.
I honestly don't care if the PS3 is more powerful, history has proved that it's not the most powerful console that gets most of the cake, else we would have seen Dreamcast dominating the market and instead it was the PS2 (and still is... if the consumers were interested in a console's raw power then why the PS3 can hardly follow in its predecessor's footsteps in terms of sales?).

I'll repeat it again, I want games, the kind of games that I enjoyed playing on the PS2. Killzone 2 may be a technical masterpiece but for me it's just an other FPS (not to mention that I prefer playing this genre on PC with a mouse and a keyboard). It's not the kind of game that made me love the PS2 nor is the kind of game that made the PS2 the succesful console that it is.

And right now they're lacking, which is why I am venting my disappointment so far with this console. Of course I hope things are going to get better (and I can't wait for God of War 3 and ICO's successor to come out), but right now I can't say I'm satisfied, especially after having spent that much money on the system, thinking it would have done well from the start. It was indeed a very naive move on my side though.

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Sony has a good start this year and hopefully they can play their cards right by providing the technical knowhow to 3rd party developers in as to how to roll out more games like KZ2 before MS plays catchup and roll out whatever successor they had in plan for the 360.
As long as more developers (especially japanese ones) jump on the PS3 bandwagon I'm perfectly glad with it. The more the merrier, the more chances to see quality titles coming up.
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Old 2009-03-07, 19:58   Link #1922
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I honestly don't care if the PS3 is more powerful, history has proved that it's not the most powerful console that gets most of the cake, else we would have seen Dreamcast dominating the market and instead it was the PS2 (and still is...
I'm only trying to get the point that the PS3 has the potential to be the lead console with it's choice media of Blu-Ray and raw processing power. And like you said, the games are what made the consoles. (Namely, FFVII and MGS for PS1. FFX and MGS2 for PS2) But the difference now is that PS3 still manage to retain some of their flagship titles from their heydays while fielding new ones like KZ2 and Uncharted.

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if the consumers were interested in a console's raw power then why the PS3 can hardly follow in its predecessor's footsteps in terms of sales?).
Not from where I am, in the midst of Asia. Much of Asia is still Sony's stronghold and I work as a game retailer. Wii is the Console Hardware king as stated, but PS3 reign quite steady throughout in 2nd place. 360 ranked 3rd.

But game software wise, most of the cross platform titles has PS3 version selling the fastest with the 360 lagging some distant behind despite the PS3 version being the costiest at about $70 to $90 in local currency whereas the 360 version being budgeted at $75 at the most.

If you want to look at things in a positive way, it's perhaps that there are pirated copies out even before the official launch of the game on the 360, but I suspect that the main reason being the local gaming populance is Sony's bitch. Just take a good look at this forum to see how many discussions are in regarding the PS3 to how dead the 360 subforum is
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Old 2009-03-07, 20:15   Link #1923
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I'm only trying to get the point that the PS3 has the potential to be the lead console with it's choice media of Blu-Ray and raw processing power. And like you said, the games are what made the consoles. (Namely, FFVII and MGS for PS1. FFX and MGS2 for PS2) But the difference now is that PS3 still manage to retain some of their flagship titles from their heydays while fielding new ones like KZ2 and Uncharted.



Not from where I am, in the midst of Asia. Much of Asia is still Sony's stronghold and I work as a game retailer. Wii is the Console Hardware king as stated, but PS3 reign quite steady throughout in 2nd place. 360 ranked 3rd.
You said it, it's second not first. PS2 was first. If we had to compare the sales of both PS2 and PS3 in after their initial three years, you'd see that the PS3 is struggling to sell as well as the PS2 did. And when the PS2 came out it was far from being a cheap product either.
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Old 2009-03-07, 20:18   Link #1924
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@tk, may i remind you that most of the games that are listed are multiplaformed,
And it would've stayed in the PS3 if it not for M$$ lobbying efforts, 360s hardware sales and and couple of incentives....
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Old 2009-03-07, 20:25   Link #1925
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And it would've stayed in the PS3 if it not for M$$ lobbying efforts, 360s hardware sales and and couple of incentives....
So now we're going to blame Microsoft for this? Why wasn't Sony blamed for that too back when FF7 development was moved from N64 to PSX?

Come on guys, we're consumers. Besides that, it's not like they lost the games, they simply went multiplatform, which means that PS3-only owners can still enjoy them anyway. I'm baffled everytime I see someone whining about FF13 or Tekken going multiplat when they technically are not losing anything at all.
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Old 2009-03-07, 20:31   Link #1926
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I'm not actually blaming Microsoft. Their moves were valid and common in the applicable market and business practice within the entertainment industry, just like Toyota taking over the car market share inside the automotive industry.
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Old 2009-03-07, 20:40   Link #1927
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Well, MS had played their exclusive trump cards of Halo and Gears series throughout the past few year and Sony is only starting to roll out theirs.

Now in regards to sales, SO4 didn't break any new ground set by Vesperia in the States. Whereas KZ2 is seeing good numbers.

We'll see how their numbers will add up after 2009 is done. Afterwhich FF XIII will be a major factor in deciding which of the console will be crown king in 2010.
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Old 2009-03-07, 20:40   Link #1928
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I'm baffled everytime I see someone whining about FF13 or Tekken going multiplat when they technically are not losing anything at all.
Me too. I can't help but stare and go 'uhm... so what are you guys angry about?'
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Old 2009-03-07, 20:47   Link #1929
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Now in regards to sales, SO4 didn't break any new ground set by Vesperia in the States. Whereas KZ2 is seeing good numbers.
All of the above are exclusives but in differrent category (rpg and fps?). >.<

I would've compared KZ2 with the likes of other 360 fps exclusives like Gears 2 or Halo 3. The recent Gears 2 already passed 2 million, KZ2 will most likely follow this number and please don't use vgchartz thats based only on estimate and instead use more legit sources like IGN, Bloomberg or Gamasutra when comparing numbers.
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Old 2009-03-07, 21:16   Link #1930
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All of the above are exclusives but in differrent category (rpg and fps?). >.<
At least this is an indication of whether the 360 had attract more RPG players and if the hype of KZ2 really delivers.

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please don't use vgchartz thats based only on estimate and instead use more legit sources like IGN, Bloomberg or Gamasutra when comparing numbers.
Can't find a better source, perhaps you can do the honour ? Will appreciate if you can shed light on the exact figures.
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Old 2009-03-07, 21:24   Link #1931
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The best one is without doubt, the NPD Group, quoted by juggernauts alike such as: (i) CNBC, Bloomberg, as a valid source;(ii) Activision Blizzard, Sega and developers and publishers alike as a quotation in the their stakeholder announcement; (iii) Microsoft and Sony, to prove which company has the bigger dick, Nintendo is in the sidelines laughing.

http://www.npd.com/corpServlet?nextp...p_welcome.html

The problem is you have to subscribe and it's not cheap lol seeing their corporate rate.

If you want a gaming site which subscribes from and cooperates with NPD Group, then I recommend this,

www.gamasutra.com

All the numbers they posted are based on NPD's, not only that, you could find some of the scenario writers from the big top developers like Activision, Bioware or even Bethesda like to post there.
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Old 2009-03-07, 21:46   Link #1932
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Well, MS had played their exclusive trump cards of Halo and Gears series throughout the past few year and Sony is only starting to roll out theirs.

Now in regards to sales, SO4 didn't break any new ground set by Vesperia in the States. Whereas KZ2 is seeing good numbers.

We'll see how their numbers will add up after 2009 is done. Afterwhich FF XIII will be a major factor in deciding which of the console will be crown king in 2010.
I get the impression that the majority of gamers in the States prefer FPS over RPGs. And the fact that Resident Evil 5 will be released less than a month after the release of SO4 for 60 bucks and that it has become a fact that the economy isn't doing any better after Obama took control; the unemployment rate had increased... Would there be a possibility that the majority of the X360 gamers saved their money for Resident Evil 5 instead of spending it on SO4?

Thus, the sales of SO4 in the States didn't do very well even after the new grounds set by Tales of Vesperia. Thanks to the high number of sales for Gears and Halo, as well as Killzone 2.. The long wait for Resident Evil 5 may erupt into a mass sale number in a few days from now. The least to say, this is what I am guessing..
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Old 2009-03-08, 00:09   Link #1933
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Something to keep the PS3 fans here happy, an analysis of the GoW III trailer shown a while back :-

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/46469.html
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Old 2009-03-08, 08:49   Link #1934
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Thus, the sales of SO4 in the States didn't do very well even after the new grounds set by Tales of Vesperia. Thanks to the high number of sales for Gears and Halo, as well as Killzone 2.. The long wait for Resident Evil 5 may erupt into a mass sale number in a few days from now. The least to say, this is what I am guessing..
One thing i learned last generation consoles, if a game doesn't sell well it is highly unlikely that it gets 2nd shipments or reprints. And if they get reprinted the price will be the original RRP, so i could only say, if SO4 's price drops in the next few weeks grab it, or you will be sorry. Thing happend with VC, a lot of people are actually still waiting for it to get pressed again, EU and NA.
Games like biohazard 5, Killzone 2 and other (over-) hyped games are likely to get overstocked, so if you like RPGs or unique games, but those first.

Why are we talking about 360 games here?
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Old 2009-03-08, 09:04   Link #1935
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Lack of PS3 JRPG's to discuss, mostly.
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Old 2009-03-08, 09:29   Link #1936
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Lets see, we got
FolksSoul/Folklore
Enchant Arm/Enchanted Arms
Tears to Tiara
Agarest Senki
Disgaea 3
Trusty Bell/Eternal Sonata
Senjou no Valkyria/Valkyria Chronicles
X Edge
White Knight Story
Demon's Souls

Almost 10 titles in 28 months, that's not bad. I reckon you could add some others titles like RGG:Kenzan, RGG3 and some others titles to it. I just counted 10 or 11 JRPGs on the 360 (probably miss a few), and that console had 12 months head start. So nope don't think there is a lack of jrpgs on the ps3, but in general yup, seems more and more less jrpgs are coming to homeconsoles.

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Old 2009-03-08, 10:11   Link #1937
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Lets see, we got
FolksSoul/Folklore
Enchant Arm/Enchanted Arms
Tears to Tiara
Agarest Senki
Disgaea 3
Trusty Bell/Eternal Sonata
Senjou no Valkyria/Valkyria Chronicles
X Edge
White Knight Story
Demon's Souls

Almost 10 titles in 28 months, that's not bad. I reckon you could add some others titles like RGG:Kenzan, RGG3 and some others titles to it. I just counted 10 or 11 JRPGs on the 360 (probably miss a few), and that console had 12 months head start. So nope don't think there is a lack of jrpgs on the ps3, but in general yup, seems more and more less jrpgs are coming to homeconsoles.
Folksoul is more an hack'n'slash than a JRPG.
Tears to Tiara was released in PAL region? Agarest Senki? X Edge? White Knight Story? If we have to include import titles (and not everybody knows japanese and is therefore able to play them) we might as well do the same with the 360 lineup, eh. Let's not turn this into an other useless list war, I'm talking about the western PS3 JRPG releases, that's what I am complaining about. And besides that the only worthy title in that list is Senjou no Valkyria (although I still have to get my hands on Demon's Souls, which I have some expectation for).
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Folksoul is more an hack'n'slash than a JRPG.
Tears to Tiara was released in PAL region? Agarest Senki? X Edge? White Knight Story? If we have to include import titles (and not everybody knows japanese and is therefore able to play them) we might as well do the same with the 360 lineup, eh. Let's not turn this into an other useless list war, I'm talking about the western PS3 JRPG releases, that's what I am complaining about. And besides that the only worthy title in that list is Senjou no Valkyria (although I still have to get my hands on Demon's Souls, which I have some expectation for).
Ok, but this is a ps3 thread, so a bit pro sony is a must, i'll do the same if it were either nintendo or 360 thread. The best thing about the ps3 is that it is the only one that has region free game support. But still i don't think it has a bad track record regarding jrpgs, problem is that western publisher don't see huge profit by localsing them.
Still waiting for my Demon's Souls copy to arrive ;_;
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Old 2009-03-08, 10:49   Link #1939
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Actually, X Edge is coming in March. Demon Souls already has an English menu, so that one is just a matter of time. Both titles are kind of niche, but the latter has gained a cult following of sorts due to its old school style of difficulty. X Edge is just basically fanservice for fans.

On another note, Bioware's Dragon Age: Origins is apparently getting a multi-platform release (PC and console) with the PS3 possibly being the latest. A game like this is meant to be played on the PC (hint: mods and toolset), but then again some people might want to play it on their big shiny tv.

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Old 2009-03-08, 13:13   Link #1940
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I'll get Dragon Age for PC (and eventually get chance to upgrade my current setup as well), I'm a purist for W-RPG and I prefer playing them on PC.
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