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Old 2011-12-12, 02:10   Link #561
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@Rakusukira and monster

Im more inclined to think that she is both a plot device and a plothole character. Disagree with me if you will but thats my take on it.
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Old 2011-12-12, 09:10   Link #562
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i like how meeting Kira seemed to have changed Lacus, and Kira thinks it's the other way around
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Old 2011-12-12, 12:47   Link #563
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Lacus Clyne is a fictional character and thus everything about her is fictional

...even at the genetic level, her hair color is FICTIONAL.!
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Old 2011-12-12, 17:57   Link #564
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I don't consider her a plot hole (what plot hole does she open or close) character or a plot device, she may not be the most developed character, but she certainly has feelings, and some depth to her.
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Old 2011-12-12, 21:05   Link #565
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I don't consider her a plot hole (what plot hole does she open or close) character or a plot device, she may not be the most developed character, but she certainly has feelings, and some depth to her.
i strongly agree
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Old 2011-12-12, 21:10   Link #566
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As for my personal opinion of her barring my extreme bias for Fllay

GSD ruined her character by not giving her an internal conflict. Lacus was JUST THERE, never really contributing much. I remember to expect her to speak out and verbally just destroy Meer's credibility, but I didn't get it. She should've shown at the very least, displeasure over her existence, but she didn't.

in SEED sorry snipy I know I have a liking for her, but by Destiny I dread what has happened to her.
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Old 2011-12-12, 22:11   Link #567
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She should've shown at the very least, displeasure over her existence, but she didn't.
It's Lacus's character why she didn't. She probably that Meer is just being used and a victim as well. Lacus's appearance was enough to humiliate Meer and her existence.
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Old 2011-12-12, 22:24   Link #568
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It's Lacus's character why she didn't. She probably that Meer is just being used and a victim as well. Lacus's appearance was enough to humiliate Meer and her existence.
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Her appearance just caused confusion. It'd be more helpful if she explained why she was in Orb, make use of her real situation to clarify to the people that she isn't meant to be used in such a fashion. If she really was humble and all, she'd tell PLANT that she isn't the figure they make her to be.
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Old 2011-12-12, 22:43   Link #569
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The confusion was a started as a result of Lacus's sudden disappearance (probably without notice) after GS giving way to Meer's appearance in GSD.

If Lacus continous to exist in PLANT, the war in GSD would have been avoided, but it may continue as well because of possibilities of her liquidation.
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Old 2011-12-12, 23:41   Link #570
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Both genjichan and aeriolewinters have a point. Lacus' disappearance does causes confusion, and when real-Lacus appeared in Orb, it causes even more confusion as real Lacus didnít clearly explain the situation during the broadcast.

As for me, Lacusí function in SEED universe was to be a holy maiden most of the time. She was pictured as a flawless character (although she lacks character to begin with). Always beautiful, always dignified, can be a leader when it needed, guarded by bishounens and never got killed. If I should draw a comparison, her character is similar to Saori Kido/Athena from Saint Seiya. Only, Athena canít sing.
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Old 2011-12-13, 02:29   Link #571
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Lacus' disappearance does causes confusion
That statement doesn't make any sense. Lacus simply decided to stay out of the spotlight; there is nothing confusing about that. The only confusion here is when the public is presented with two people who look like Lacus.
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Old 2011-12-13, 06:59   Link #572
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That statement doesn't make any sense. Lacus simply decided to stay out of the spotlight; there is nothing confusing about that. The only confusion here is when the public is presented with two people who look like Lacus.
I'm sorry, maybe I should say Lacus' disappearance along with her family declared as a traitor to PLANT by ZAFT that causes quite a confusion and uproar. Since then, Lacus has been 'missing' from PLANT, right? Was there a cover-up story cooked by ZAFT/PLANT about her? I can't remember. You're welcomed to correct me if I'm wrong.
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Old 2011-12-13, 07:12   Link #573
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I'm sorry, maybe I should say Lacus' disappearance along with her family declared as a traitor to PLANT by ZAFT that causes quite a confusion and uproar. Since then, Lacus has been 'missing' from PLANT, right? Was there a cover-up story cooked by ZAFT/PLANT about her? I can't remember. You're welcomed to correct me if I'm wrong.
There was no need for a cover up. The Zala administration which branded Lacus a traitor is no longer in charge by the end of SEED. So Lacus is no longer considered a traitor, especially by the Durandal administration.
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Old 2011-12-13, 09:14   Link #574
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The confusion was a started as a result of Lacus's sudden disappearance (probably without notice) after GS giving way to Meer's appearance in GSD.

If Lacus continous to exist in PLANT, the war in GSD would have been avoided, but it may continue as well because of possibilities of her liquidation.
If Lacus continued to reside in PLANT after GS, her life would surely have been in greater danger. Durrandal wanted to assassinate Lacus because he knew from the very start that she will NEVER go by his Destiny Plan. Her staying in PLANT would have made her susceptible for the kill (because her bishounens won't be there to protect her).

Although that scenario would have made the story more interesting. As much as I love the Kira and Lacus pairing, I found it unusual for them to live together at such an early age. But I guess it was Kira who decided to stay by Lacus' side by staying at the orphanage with her (it's rather sad how Kira didn't continue to live with his adoptive mother)
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Old 2011-12-21, 21:25   Link #575
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No she just a plot hole character.. Mitsuo Fukuda left wide gaps in lacus character to a point the viewers have to use their own far-fetched imagination to figure her out.
Which is what I think that her origins are as mysterious as Wolverine's, and only Fukuda and Morosawa knew her character:

"People say they don't really understand Lacus and even the staff don't. Only I and Morosawa know her. Her personality never changed from the start." -- Fukuda, on why many people don't understand Lacus's character

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Lacus has connections from her father, it's not unrealistic to think that she has supporters that can help her get those things (Orb for example). Terminal is a pretty large organization with a massive number of aces.
I once posted that after Patrick Zala became the new ZAFT chairman, those who were sympathetic to Siegel Clyne formed the Clyne Faction, and Lacus inherited it after Siegel was killed.

Or at least that's how my origin for said faction would go.

Here are some of the things that Lacus has accomplished (as of GSD):
  • Idol singer
  • Resistance leader
  • TSA/Terminal figurehead (she left the actual commanding to Cagalli, Andrew, and Murrue, aboard their respective ships)
  • She “piloted” the Infinite Justice* (and no, the video games don't count)
  • Seed Mode (debatable, since her Seed burst isn't shown)
  • Possible ZAFT chairwoman (?)

*"I didn't really do much. I just kept the seat warm." -- Lacus, GSD, Phase 42, dubbed version
"Yes. I was merely sitting in it." -- Lacus, GSD, Phase 42, subbed version
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Old 2011-12-22, 21:22   Link #576
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One thing keep getting in my mind is how the f*ck can Lacus provided Kira a Gundam Strike Freedom in a no time after the 1st Freedom had been destroyed. Also she gace Arthrun Infinite Justice. Sure she got support from Orb and ZAFT, EA. but it's in a kiosk time and i think her supporters are not that strong or simply just a small group of resistances.
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Old 2011-12-22, 21:49   Link #577
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If Lacus continued to reside in PLANT after GS, her life would surely have been in greater danger. Durrandal wanted to assassinate Lacus because he knew from the very start that she will NEVER go by his Destiny Plan. Her staying in PLANT would have made her susceptible for the kill (because her bishounens won't be there to protect her).

Although that scenario would have made the story more interesting. As much as I love the Kira and Lacus pairing, I found it unusual for them to live together at such an early age. But I guess it was Kira who decided to stay by Lacus' side by staying at the orphanage with her (it's rather sad how Kira didn't continue to live with his adoptive mother)
That assassination plot will never be avoided probably (and a fact) but (maybe) Lacus could have checked Durrandals ascension as Chairman if she wishes, thus preventing a bloodier war.
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Old 2011-12-23, 06:41   Link #578
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Durrandal wanted to assassinate Lacus
Source for information please.
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Old 2011-12-23, 06:54   Link #579
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Old 2011-12-23, 07:27   Link #580
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Not to sound rude can you be a bit more specific.

Is it when andrew says in the lines *they were co-ordinators*?

or is it the suits they were using?

fake lacus?

Or something else ive missed?

Either way im looking for facts not circumstantial evidence

If rakusukira stated that *durrandal is most likely the culprit* then i agree but stating something as *Durrandal did it * changes perspective which im looking for hardcase fact(s) which support his/her claim.

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