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View Poll Results: Which is stronger?
Mobile suits 13 59.09%
Aestivalises 9 40.91%
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Old 2006-06-07, 15:09   Link #41
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Havent seen Nadesico yet but I still voted for MS

I mean
Itīs so small that you can kick it.
And nothing beats combination of Good pilot + Beam saber
Yes you can kick an Aestivalis and break a leg.

If Moonlight Butterfly is believed to not even capable of harming an Aestivalis, theres nothing much left in the Gundam universe that can take down an Aestivalis.

One last hope would be the super robot Gundam Fighters, but they probably won't stand a chance against Boson Jumpers.
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Old 2006-06-07, 15:33   Link #42
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Old 2006-06-07, 16:04   Link #43
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Wondering can an A$$tivalises take a direct blast from the microwaved-charged BEAST called DOUBLE X??
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Old 2006-06-07, 16:14   Link #44
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If Moonlight Butterfly is believed to not even capable of harming an Aestivalis, theres nothing much left in the Gundam universe that can take down an Aestivalis.
Moonlight Butterfly can easily break the distortion barrier, its actually mentioned Distortion Field is weak to physical weapons, it mainly protects against beams and gravity weapons and only offers small protection against physical weapons and virtually none against high velocity and normal impact weapons.

Turn-A happens to pack a high velocity nanomachine cannon......besides the MB.....most people forget the Nanomachine Cannon and also that Turn-A can ALSO do the Shining Finger Sword from G-Gundam and the fact MB can have both physical and beam properties along with a immediate effect radius of several miles. Its pretty much why its so ungodly powerful.

Black Serena though is something nothing short of Turn-X can stand up to.......Turn-A would be susceptible to the sudden Boson Jumps. But Turn-X has the ability to seperate into several parts, catching it is alone a incredible feat.
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Old 2006-06-07, 16:29   Link #45
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This just brings the argument back to the point where we're comparing Aestivalis to all MS except Turn A/X lol

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Wondering can an A$$tivalises take a direct blast from the microwaved-charged BEAST called DOUBLE X??
Nope they can't, but a pilot with Class A Boson Jumping ability, theres no chance the Twin Satelite cannon can hit it.
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Old 2006-06-07, 16:43   Link #46
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So if you ain't got this Class A Bosox vertical leap your dead? Well good I actually thought these things were already getting too much credit..If DOUBLE X can trash it I'm cool with that since I think it's the most over-powered Gundam (not excusing the fact that Turn-X and Turn-A [Based on the anime] can't use MB at will; it had to be re-awaken)
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Old 2006-06-07, 17:02   Link #47
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Alright if you're cool with it lol

Actually if the pilot knows Boson Jumping he can escape, just that class A jumpers have full control over it. They can jump at will and can decide their jumping destination.
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Old 2006-06-07, 17:07   Link #48
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Wondering can an A$$tivalises take a direct blast from the microwaved-charged BEAST called DOUBLE X??
Remember, as powerful as Twin Satillite Cannon is, DX is stuck standing in one spot for 4.8 seconds waiting for the microwave beam to charge up the cannon.

DX fires TSC
Black Selana Boston Jumps in
Grab it
Boston Jump in the path of the TSC beam
Drops DX
Boston Jumps out

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Black Serena though is something nothing short of Turn-X can stand up to.......Turn-A would be susceptible to the sudden Boson Jumps. But Turn-X has the ability to seperate into several parts, catching it is alone a incredible feat.
Boston Jump in, grab a random part
Boston Jump somewhere else
Let go of part
Boston Jump back
Grab part
Repeat cycle

Don't **** with Black Selena.
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Old 2006-06-07, 17:17   Link #49
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Remember, as powerful as Twin Satillite Cannon is, DX is stuck standing in one spot for 4.8 seconds waiting for the microwave beam to charge up the cannon.
Yeah, but if you are more than 5 seconds away from it in any direction, "That's your a$$$$$$$$$$, Mr. Postman!!!" - Pops (Line from the movie "Friday")
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Old 2006-06-07, 17:19   Link #50
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We don't really need the Black Selena/Sarena for Boson Jumping. It is Boson Jump capable because Akito is an A class Jumper.

Akito Jumped his original Aestivalis and even the Nadesico several times.

The pilots themselves can jump, they can probably jump into the cockpits of MSes and bring them out into space killing them as they do not have the body to withstand the stress of Jumping.
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Old 2006-06-07, 18:29   Link #51
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Really? I remember that in all cases they either had to use a Chulip, Chulip Crystals or a craft with a Boson Generator, an A-class jumper can only jump if they are in a Boson field.

Some info:
http://www.softwarekent.co.uk/anime/...echnologic.htm
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Old 2006-06-07, 18:40   Link #52
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Really? I remember that in all cases they either had to use a Chulip, Chulip Crystals or a craft with a Boson Generator, an A-class jumper can only jump if they are in a Boson field.

Some info:
http://www.softwarekent.co.uk/anime/...echnologic.htm
Spoiler for Akito Boson Jumping:


So yea individual humans can Boson Jump.
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Old 2006-06-07, 18:46   Link #53
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That's not what I mean, Black Serena can only jump because it has a Boson Generator, without it can't jump. If a pilot only jumps himeself to a place without a field, say a MS cockpit he'd be stuck there.
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Old 2006-06-07, 18:50   Link #54
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That's not what I mean, Black Selena can only jump because it has a Boson Generator, without it can't jump. If you jump to a place without a field, say a MS cockpit you'd be stuck there.
Hmmm I see, then I guess Village_Idiot's method of grabbing the MS with the Aestivalis and Jumping along with it to one end of the solar system and Jumping back alone will work. By starving the pilot to death lol
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Old 2006-06-07, 21:59   Link #55
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I put mobile suits because I have never even heard of this other anime but will watch it to see if my vote was accurate.

To go off topic IMO the best series is Victory Gundam. You never knew who was going to die and when they did it was suprising and sad. Plus I like the way the V2 looks with its Wings of Light.
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Old 2006-06-07, 21:59   Link #56
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Despite cold hard facts, the MS are still winning.

Then again, this is a Gundam thread.
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Old 2006-06-07, 22:04   Link #57
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Well, theres 2 reasons why gundam wins:

1. This is a Gundam subforum.

2. Instead of not voting, people who have no idea about Nadesico and Aestivalises choose to vote for MSes.

It's decided right from the start lol
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Old 2006-06-07, 22:08   Link #58
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Maybe it's a good idea to start that Macross vs. Gundam thread. I'll wait until this thread goes down. It may be a bad idea to put up another poll, though.

Nadesico technology is far superior to Gundam technology. That's why Gundam fails even with its superior (imo) pilots and whatnot.
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Old 2006-06-07, 22:13   Link #59
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Well, pilot ability is well portrayed in the Gundam multiverse and pilots need training and getting used to cockpit controls to get better.

The IFS system in Nadesico makes piloting much more easy. Controlling via the brain and nervous system, a highly efficient piloting system. Its another technology that's near super robot territory.
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Old 2006-06-07, 22:15   Link #60
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C.A that same technology was used in Gundam Wing.
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