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View Poll Results: Fate/stay Night Episode 24 Rating
Perfect 10 198 45.52%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 88 20.23%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 70 16.09%
7 out of 10 : Good 32 7.36%
6 out of 10 : Average 12 2.76%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 8 1.84%
4 out of 10 : Poor 2 0.46%
3 out of 10 : Bad 2 0.46%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 1 0.23%
1 out of 10 : Painful 22 5.06%
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Old 2011-10-03, 15:01   Link #921
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I feel I must respectfully disagree with everything you said >.>


Spoiler for UBW and Heaven's Feel Spoilers just in case:


I can appreciate your desire for a happy ending, but personally I would prefer a bitter sweet ending to an ending that doesn't make any sense.
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Old 2011-10-03, 17:25   Link #922
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I appriciate npal's idea ...but remake doesn't mean ufotable has to change a lot of the story...I THINK THEY SHOULD BRING SOME MAJOR CHANGES IN THE STORY..LIKE-archar should play a much better role,more fighting,action,better graphics,better charecter flow above all CHANGE IN THE ENDING..you know holy grail will eventually vanish after granting one's wish.so there is no need to destroy it..so in the last episode of fsn remake we should see a major change..i believe holy grail can at least fufill not one but 2 wishes..those wishes are in my mind...if fate zero is gets popularity i am sure aniplex will remake fsn and i always believe in them..causd they provide us with happy endings...animes are made for fans.so major changes can be brought to the story to please the viewers...manga and visual novel doesn't make any diffirence..like elfen lied,
Yeah, way to miss the point entirely.

The problem with the FSN anime is precisely that Deen tried to alter the story to include more of Archer and such like. A new anime which tried to merge all three routes togther would be ludicrous.

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For hf lovers i have to say its quite a joke.!shirou didn't make any sense..holy grail was used like trash bag..saber acted like a servent having no power or will to fight when she was consumed.if she did she would surely have survived...ending was just a disater..UBW WAS GOOD....the good ending was enough for satisfaction...the true end was just a joke..the story was good,honest but had one weak point ..as caster was dystroyed shirou should have got back the command seals as saber's true master....finally the true(great) grail will never be destroyed until one's wishs are granted..it will disappear after that...watch fate zero..learn..and understand...realta nua ending was great..i doubt it fits for which ubw or fate..but i want saber and shiro to be in the present world not in avalon..
Erm, you do know that the story doesn't revolve around Saber, right...?

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There can also be a sequel of fate stay night..6th grail war..as holy grail still exsists..saber again the servent of shirou..because he doesn't have any child+he is the only mage left is the name of his fathers family...much more fighting..like i told before..shirou should act more like a proper maze..he should be a little bit careful in his way to use the seals..ending should be..shiro wishing that saber should stay in the present world for him, shiro keeping a command seal intact and saber's wish should be to return the excal..the famous soward to the proper place..and ..ruler...the grail vanishes..and everything ends happily everyone is alive. Remake of fsn should also follow this ending ,if no sequel comes out...they should have at least 25 episodes..
And what about the other characters (in particular, Sakura)? Or did you not actually notice any over the all-consuming Saber vision...?

Further, whilst there could in theory be a sixth war, using it to try to put Saber and Shirou back together would just be a horrible Deus Ex Machina. I don't object to the idea of Saber staying in principle, but it would not work at all as a "sequel" to FSN, and altering the story of Fate (almost certainly for the worse) just to appease you is simply not going to happen.


Oh, also, have you never heard of the edit button? It's what the rest of us use when we want to add more to our posts, as opposed to triple posting in the space of about an hour....
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Old 2011-10-03, 19:09   Link #923
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Seriously Jsmithmim stop posing on like every board about the same thing. And stop generalizing all fans with you. I don't understand what your obsession is but I strongly disagree with you.
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Old 2011-10-03, 22:57   Link #924
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Ranga92 i knew you would disagree with me..i never said all the fans want fsn remake or sequel..i also didn't say the 6th war is a must..again i didn't day they have to combine the stories of udw or hf in the remake of fsn..ufotable can bring some changes themselves..i should stick with my idea about remake of fsn...thanks to cherry lover for her /his explanation..to who love bittersweet endings:IF ED DIED AT THE END OF FMAB YOU WOULD SURELY HAVE SAID IT WAS EPIC...IF LALOUCH WAS STILL SHOWEN AS THE KING AT THE END YOU WOULD HAVE SAID IT WAS A DOWNER ENDING..IF LIGHT WAS ALIVE YOU MIGHT HAVE LOVE IT..FSN ending was never an epic ending cause both saber's and shrio's wishes didn't come true..saber never got what she wanted..shiro's charecter was wasted just for 10 minutes..hoping fate zero will be great and prompt uft and aplex for fsn..
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Old 2011-10-03, 23:52   Link #925
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Ranga92 i knew you would disagree with me..i never said all the fans want fsn remake or sequel..i also didn't say the 6th war is a must..again i didn't day they have to combine the stories of udw or hf in the remake of fsn..ufotable can bring some changes themselves..i should stick with my idea about remake of fsn...thanks to cherry lover for her /his explanation..to who love bittersweet endings:IF ED DIED AT THE END OF FMAB YOU WOULD SURELY HAVE SAID IT WAS EPIC...IF LALOUCH WAS STILL SHOWEN AS THE KING AT THE END YOU WOULD HAVE SAID IT WAS A DOWNER ENDING..IF LIGHT WAS ALIVE YOU MIGHT HAVE LOVE IT..FSN ending was never an epic ending cause both saber's and shrio's wishes didn't come true..saber never got what she wanted..shiro's charecter was wasted just for 10 minutes..hoping fate zero will be great and prompt uft and aplex for fsn..
I think the major issue here is you assume that Saber is always the main focus in every possible path. While she is the poster girl of the game to the point that they made an extra unlockable ending for her in Realta Nua, the other 2 routes are not focused on her.

Plus, Saber didn't get her wish because she understood it wasn't a wish that should have been granted. She remained the king. Realta Nua fixed the "together" part in an acceptable (for F/SN) way. Not sure what your point about Shirou was.

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In what way is HF True sad? And, conversely, how can UBW be a truly "good" ending when you take HF into account, not to mention what happens to certain characters in the story itself...?
It is given as such, plus when you get UBW ending, HF isn't taken into account. Even if it does, you have to really try to take HF into account because it's not even an afterthought when you're in UBW route. In that sense, the issue in UBW is resolved with the UBW couple as alive and well as it can, and pretty happy about it, unlike both Fate and HF (especially HF).
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Old 2011-10-04, 00:58   Link #926
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Saber is the main focous in fate and ubw(archer also)+fsn manga+carnival phantasam and fate zero..i have already told you that udw should go with the good end+holy grail should be used..ABOUT HF IS WITHOUT ANY UNDOUBT THE WEAKEST ROUTE..I AM QUITE SURPRISED HOW CAN A GAME HAS Three ending.."the holy grail can never be dystroyed by sacrificing one's life"..so you consider..THE THINGS I PREFER MOST ABOUT AN ANIME ARE...FATE OF MAIN Charecters and ending.THIS IS WHY I LIKE CG AND FMAB..I KNOW LALOUCH IS ALIVE..
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Old 2011-10-04, 03:39   Link #927
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It is given as such, plus when you get UBW ending, HF isn't taken into account. Even if it does, you have to really try to take HF into account because it's not even an afterthought when you're in UBW route. In that sense, the issue in UBW is resolved with the UBW couple as alive and well as it can, and pretty happy about it, unlike both Fate and HF (especially HF).
Erm, what?

Since when are the "main couple" in HF not "happy"? Or, indeed, "alive and well"?

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Saber is the main focous in fate and ubw(archer also)+fsn manga+carnival phantasam and fate zero..
No, she's not. She's the main focus of Fate, the Manga (which follows Fate) and (to some extent) Carnival Phantasm (which is because it's based on a doujin by someone who is a Saber fan), but she is not the main focus of Fate/Zero (she's one of many focii) and she's sure as hell not the main focus of UBW.

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Gee, biased much...?
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Old 2011-10-04, 04:01   Link #928
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I have gone through HF...IT was quite funny..dark..dark..shrio's mentality....weakest because have no such believable ending.(way of vanishing the grail).UBW..rin,archer,saber,shiro..I AM NOW READING THE MANGA..HOPING FOR A HAPPY ending..fate zero..amiya and saber main charecters..
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Old 2011-10-04, 05:47   Link #929
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Really? Cause I personally thought Heaven's Feel was the best of the three routes, and I don't really see what's so unbelievable about the ending...

As for Fate Zero, Kiritsugu and Saber are important characters, but so are Irisviel, Waver, Kirei, etc etc etc. Can hardly call any them the 'main' characters, because the story isn't about them, its about everyone.
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Old 2011-10-04, 06:53   Link #930
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Have you really gone trough HF, Jsmith? Because that is the route where Shirou's mentality is the strongest. The only route were he really knows what he truly wants to do. And that is to protect the ones that are close to him.

And why isn't the ending believable?
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And Saber is not the main focus of F/SN she never was, she is the poster girl though.

And in UBW she isnt even close to being the focus She isn't even the third, that place goes to Rin, I wouldn't even say that she is fourth since the route is more focused on other characters dilemmas than Saber.

Saber had her time to shine in Fate and got the ending that was best for her. her wish was never meant to be granted, and she realized that herself. Had Shirou or anyone else wished for her to stay,and the grail had granted that, she would have been corrupted.

And the manga will without a doubt end up the same way as fate did in the end. The mangaka has always been looking forward to drawing the last scene, he said so in the first volume. He won't change that.

I don't even understand why you had such a problem with the ending. Of course it was sad but thats life. Saber was doomed to disappear.

I always found her fate in the UBW good ending rather sad since she never found her 'answer' which means that she still doesn't know what to do, what her place in the world is and so on.
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Old 2011-10-04, 09:24   Link #931
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Erm, what?

Since when are the "main couple" in HF not "happy"? Or, indeed, "alive and well"?
Eh, from what I remember when playing it
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Eh, from what I remember when playing it
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Saber is the main focous in fate and ubw(archer also)+fsn manga+carnival phantasam and fate zero..i have already told you that udw should go with the good end+holy grail should be used..ABOUT HF IS WITHOUT ANY UNDOUBT THE WEAKEST ROUTE..I AM QUITE SURPRISED HOW CAN A GAME HAS Three ending.."the holy grail can never be dystroyed by sacrificing one's life"..so you consider..THE THINGS I PREFER MOST ABOUT AN ANIME ARE...FATE OF MAIN Charecters and ending.THIS IS WHY I LIKE CG AND FMAB..I KNOW LALOUCH IS ALIVE..
Saber is not the main focus of UBW. She has a less of a role in UBW then Rin did in Fate. Even Gil had more of a role then saber in Fate. And majority of people agree that Fate is the weakest route. How could you say heavens feel is the weakest? That route was amazing and it was atleast 50% of the game. Anyways which fate stay night manga are you guys talking about? isn't that manga based on ubw route, or is there another fate manga?
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Old 2011-10-04, 11:15   Link #935
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No its mainly Fate, but it was going in the UBW direction for a while (also included som alternate retellings of HF), but now it's back on the way towards fate again (damn, I wanted it to do the UBW route).
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Old 2011-10-04, 13:00   Link #937
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Well something that we cant ignore is the fact that the whole idea of setting up the Saber/Fate route was only to let the player know the basics and relevant information about what is the grail war and stuff. They even describe the Fate route in the last tiger dojo as nothing more as an introduction to the main game that its UBW and HF.

The author said several times that Fate, UBW and HF all of them happens in alternative universe or dimensions so all the endings are true BUT HF its considered the main route simply because Hollow ataraxia as well as Fate zero took that story line to build or expand the fate universe.

Now here comes what took a lot of people by surprise.

Bck in 2004, A HUGE and I mean a HUGE amount of people RAGE about the ending in the Fate route. The game did a pretty good job making the player care enough for Saber to the point that they even got letters asking the author to explain what the hell happen there (but we will go there in a bit).

Back in 2004 like every year since the game was released they published their first popularity poll and saber pretty much crushed everyone else while Sakura even when she was pretty much the mainstream of the history she ranked 17th or something like that.

So that's the thing... although the original plan was to set Saber as nothing more of an introduction, she pretty much took the leading role in the audience preferences and even today 7 YEARS later she never fails to rank in the top 10 of type moon females characters and top 20 in anime females in general.

Going back a little about those letters I told you before the ending we know in realt Nua and the manga its the author fault (lol). In 2005 he said that in the Fate route Shirou ends as a guardian but since Saber change him a little bit he became stronger in his resolve about his dream.

Then people went crazy and they create that "extra" ending we know with Saber and Shirou.

Man Saber needs a true hollywood story episode.

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Old 2011-10-04, 13:11   Link #938
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I can't say I remember the 5th movie all that well xP I always assumed the first one was fake Plus Touko is Touko, very few mages in TypeMoon can pull stuff like that, so it could be a bit more special (or have a better affect) when done for herself. Anyway, I'd rather pick HF's good ending actually over something like that Although long-haired Sakura is nice.
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No its mainly Fate, but it was going in the UBW direction for a while (also included som alternate retellings of HF), but now it's back on the way towards fate again (damn, I wanted it to do the UBW route).
where can I find that manga? The one I'm reading says it solely based on the UBW route. And plus right now it's not following any route. It's just one messed up manga.

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Have you really gone trough HF, Jsmith? Because that is the route where Shirou's mentality is the strongest. The only route were he really knows what he truly wants to do. And that is to protect the ones that are close to him.

And why isn't the ending believable?
Spoiler for HF:

And Saber is not the main focus of F/SN she never was, she is the poster girl though.

And in UBW she isnt even close to being the focus She isn't even the third, that place goes to Rin, I wouldn't even say that she is fourth since the route is more focused on other characters dilemmas than Saber.

Saber had her time to shine in Fate and got the ending that was best for her. her wish was never meant to be granted, and she realized that herself. Had Shirou or anyone else wished for her to stay,and the grail had granted that, she would have been corrupted.

And the manga will without a doubt end up the same way as fate did in the end. The mangaka has always been looking forward to drawing the last scene, he said so in the first volume. He won't change that.

I don't even understand why you had such a problem with the ending. Of course it was sad but thats life. Saber was doomed to disappear.

I always found her fate in the UBW good ending rather sad since she never found her 'answer' which means that she still doesn't know what to do, what her place in the world is and so on.
Yeah people need to realize that being the most popular doesn't make you the main or any better then anyone else.

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Well something that we cant ignore is the fact that the whole idea of setting up the Saber/Fate route was only to let the player know the basics and relevant information about what is the grail war and stuff. They even describe the Fate route in the last tiger dojo as nothing more as an introduction to the main game that its UBW and HF.

The author said several times that Fate, UBW and HF all of them happens in alternative universe or dimensions so all the endings are true BUT HF its considered the main route simply because Hollow ataraxia as well as Fate zero took that story line to build or expand the fate universe.

Now here comes what took a lot of people by surprise.

Bck in 2004, A HUGE and I mean a HUGE amount of people RAGE about the ending in the Fate route. The game did a pretty good job making the player care enough for Saber to the point that they even got letters asking the author to explain what the hell happen there (but we will go there in a bit).

Back in 2004 like every year since the game was released they published their first popularity poll and saber pretty much crushed everyone else while Sakura even when she was pretty much the mainstream of the history she ranked 17th or something like that.

So that's the thing... although the original plan was to set Saber as nothing more of an introduction, she pretty much took the leading role in the audience preferences and even today 7 YEARS later she never fails to rank in the top 10 of type moon females characters and top 20 in anime females in general.

Going back a little about those letters I told you before the ending we know in realt Nua and the manga its the author fault (lol). In 2005 he said that in the Fate route Shirou ends as a guardian but since Saber change him a little bit he became stronger in his resolve about his dream.

Then the people went crazy and they create that "extra" ending we know with Saber and Shirou.

Man Saber needs a true hollywood story episode.
What do you mean by heavens feel being the main route. All 3 routes are main. But yeah heavens feel is the most important story wise.

Yes, the Fate route was an intro, but an intro is important. Well anyway don't know why fans were so depressed about the "Fate" route ending. I was satisfied but that's just me..

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