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View Poll Results: Suzumiya Haruhi Episode 12 Rating
Perfect 10 235 66.01%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 79 22.19%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 27 7.58%
7 out of 10 : Good 7 1.97%
6 out of 10 : Average 1 0.28%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 0.28%
4 out of 10 : Poor 1 0.28%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 5 1.40%
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Old 2006-06-20, 22:38   Link #201
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What in the world was that giant ogre-like thing that walked by Kyon at 2:25 right after the OP? The crook of its arm looks to be a foot above Kyon's and he's pretty tall. Unless the arms were fake (and it didn't look like it) it would be hard for a person to wear that costume. A real alien perhaps? :-)
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Old 2006-06-20, 22:50   Link #202
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What in the world was that giant ogre-like thing that walked by Kyon at 2:25 right after the OP? The crook of its arm looks to be a foot above Kyon's and he's pretty tall. Unless the arms were fake (and it didn't look like it) it would be hard for a person to wear that costume. A real alien perhaps? :-)

It might be. Two aliens in fact, by either side of Kyon. Notice the UFO poster on the window to the left of the screenshot.

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Old 2006-06-20, 22:54   Link #203
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In all honesty, I didn't like this episode that much. Sure it has that Tsuruya scene (who looks way better in that outfit than Mikuru, as it suits her amazingly long hair), but apart from the last minute or two Haruhi seemed liked she had a personality transplant.

We're talking about a girl that extorted not one, but 5 computers out of the computer club here. And all of a sudden she's helping this band who presumably she has never met before... because she symphatizes with them? And without wanting any compensation and to top it all off, being all too humble about it?

Sorry, but I just don't believe it. Maybe it was better explained in the novel, but as far as the anime stands, there is no logical reason for her change of heart and no motivation for her doing so. Maybe it would be explained in the next 2 episodes, but considering that most people guess that both would be the continuation of the Yuutsu ark, I highly doubt that this matter would be cleared.



While it's certainly one of the more entertaining episodes, it ranks lowest compared to the other episodes just for the unbelievable change (inconsistency?) of the protagoninst. I really would like this ep a bit better, since Kyon has I'm-smitten-with-another-girl-but-I-don't-know-it-yet written all over his face this episode, but alas the show's namesake failed miserably this time for me.
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Old 2006-06-20, 23:10   Link #204
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In all honesty, I didn't like this episode that much. Sure it has that Tsuruya scene (who looks way better in that outfit than Mikuru, as it suits her amazingly long hair), but apart from the last minute or two Haruhi seemed liked she had a personality transplant.

We're talking about a girl that extorted not one, but 5 computers out of the computer club here. And all of a sudden she's helping this band who presumably she has never met before... because she symphatizes with them? And without wanting any compensation and to top it all off, being all too humble about it?

Sorry, but I just don't believe it. Maybe it was better explained in the novel, but as far as the anime stands, there is no logical reason for her change of heart and no motivation for her doing so. Maybe it would be explained in the next 2 episodes, but considering that most people guess that both would be the continuation of the Yuutsu ark, I highly doubt that this matter would be cleared.



While it's certainly one of the more entertaining episodes, it ranks lowest compared to the other episodes just for the unbelievable change (inconsistency?) of the protagoninst. I really would like this ep a bit better, since Kyon has I'm-smitten-with-another-girl-but-I-don't-know-it-yet written all over his face this episode, but alas the show's namesake failed miserably this time for me.
I guess you've forgotten that the laptops were willingly given by the computer society in a competition they suggested? After they cheated, no less?

The Haruhi of timeline episode 12 is different from Haruhi of timeline episode 2. People do change. There was several months between the extortion of the Athlon and the band incident, and a lot has happened since then. I guess you are disappointed that Haruhi is not as mean as you want her to be? Regardless, the next two episodes WILL clear up matters.

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but considering that most people guess that both would be the continuation of the Yuutsu ark, I highly doubt that this matter would be cleared.
Why not? What do you think Yuutsu is about?
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Old 2006-06-20, 23:14   Link #205
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What in the world was that giant ogre-like thing that walked by Kyon at 2:25 right after the OP? The crook of its arm looks to be a foot above Kyon's and he's pretty tall. Unless the arms were fake (and it didn't look like it) it would be hard for a person to wear that costume. A real alien perhaps? :-)

Maybe Haruhi is a fan of The Fifth element?



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In all honesty, I didn't like this episode that much. Sure it has that Tsuruya scene (who looks way better in that outfit than Mikuru, as it suits her amazingly long hair), but apart from the last minute or two Haruhi seemed liked she had a personality transplant.

We're talking about a girl that extorted not one, but 5 computers out of the computer club here. And all of a sudden she's helping this band who presumably she has never met before... because she symphatizes with them? And without wanting any compensation and to top it all off, being all too humble about it?

Sorry, but I just don't believe it. Maybe it was better explained in the novel, but as far as the anime stands, there is no logical reason for her change of heart and no motivation for her doing so. Maybe it would be explained in the next 2 episodes, but considering that most people guess that both would be the continuation of the Yuutsu ark, I highly doubt that this matter would be cleared.



While it's certainly one of the more entertaining episodes, it ranks lowest compared to the other episodes just for the unbelievable change (inconsistency?) of the protagoninst. I really would like this ep a bit better, since Kyon has I'm-smitten-with-another-girl-but-I-don't-know-it-yet written all over his face this episode, but alas the show's namesake failed miserably this time for me.

I agree. She seemed to be a completely different person, and I didn't enjoy this episode as much as the previous episode because of that.

Plus it needed more scenes with Fang Girl in them.
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Old 2006-06-20, 23:15   Link #206
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In all honesty, I didn't like this episode that much. Sure it has that Tsuruya scene (who looks way better in that outfit than Mikuru, as it suits her amazingly long hair), but apart from the last minute or two Haruhi seemed liked she had a personality transplant.
We're talking about a girl that extorted not one, but 5 computers out of the computer club here. And all of a sudden she's helping this band who presumably she has never met before... because she symphatizes with them? And without wanting any compensation and to top it all off, being all too humble about it?
Sorry, but I just don't believe it. Maybe it was better explained in the novel, but as far as the anime stands, there is no logical reason for her change of heart and no motivation for her doing so. Maybe it would be explained in the next 2 episodes, but considering that most people guess that both would be the continuation of the Yuutsu ark, I highly doubt that this matter would be cleared.
While it's certainly one of the more entertaining episodes, it ranks lowest compared to the other episodes just for the unbelievable change (inconsistency?) of the protagoninst. I really would like this ep a bit better, since Kyon has I'm-smitten-with-another-girl-but-I-don't-know-it-yet written all over his face this episode, but alas the show's namesake failed miserably this time for me.
So what you are saying is that Haruhi's personality should be set in stone to what it was at the beginning of the show and not change at all??

Have you missed what Kyon's influence has had on her?

Do you discount her own explanation of why she helped the band?


And she exhorted only one computer from the Computer Club, the rest were won in that contest in "The Day of Sagittarius."
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Old 2006-06-20, 23:20   Link #207
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So what you are saying is that Haruhi's personality should be set in stone to what it was at the beginning of the show and not change at all??
Have you missed what Kyon's influence has had on her?
Do you discount her own explanation of why she helped the band?

And she exhorted only one computer from the Computer Club, the rest were won in that contest in "The Day of Sagittarius."
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If she didn't change, I think this would be a fairly average story. Watching the characters change adds a lot of enjoyment.
And considering everything that happens in the time between the beginning and episode 12, not altering personalities would be out-of-character.
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Old 2006-06-20, 23:29   Link #208
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Remember the true/Haruhi order of the anime series.

We have:
Episode 09 : Remote Island Syndrome I
Episode 10 : Remote Island Syndrome II
Episode 11 : ???
Episode 12 : Live A Live
Episode 13 : Day of Sagittarius
Episode 14 : Someday In The Rain

The true episode 11 has not yet been shown. I'm fully confident we would see more of Haruhi's character development in the final episode to end The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya season one.

So far, the anime has proven pretty consistent. For example, during Mysterique Signs (the true Episode 08), when Emiri Kimodori (the purported girlfriend of the Computer Society President) said her "boyfriend" family lives overseas, Haruhi responded by asking whether they are living in Canada.

Some people believe Canada is used because Ka-Na-Da is easy to pronounced in Japanese, but we begin to see that in The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya IV (the true Episode 04), Canada is the place of mysterious disappearances of family members, where Ryoko Asakura's father had purportedly transferred to.
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Old 2006-06-20, 23:29   Link #209
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Great episode. It still seems though Haruhi only feels comfortable around Kyon as can be seen when she forced Kyon to "escort" her when she was talking with the band members.

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Old 2006-06-20, 23:37   Link #210
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It might be. Two aliens in fact, by either side of Kyon. Notice the UFO poster on the window to the left of the screenshot.

Spoiler for aliens:
Sorry to kill your fun, but they're just costumes. Remember Yuki's explaination in episode 5. Humans were the first organic entities to develop higher order intelligence. Prior to that, only the data entities possessed it. As such, they could not have been aliens unless they were sent as interface terminals by the data entities, in which case, they would look like humans.

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Remember, this epsiode takes place well after Haruhi extorted the comp. She's been through quite a bit since then. Even Haruhi has to mature somewhat.
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Old 2006-06-20, 23:44   Link #211
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I give the ep a 9. Yup I do agree with others that the drummer is cute indeed! I wonder will she ever be listed if there is a cutest character poll?
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Old 2006-06-20, 23:48   Link #212
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good ep, was suprised that Haruhi had a good singing voice. I was assuming the worst and thinking it was going to be some horrible sounding song with comedy.
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Old 2006-06-20, 23:49   Link #213
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good ep, was suprised that Haruhi had a good singing voice. I was assuming the worst and thinking it was going to be some horrible sounding song with comedy.
You do know the three female voice actresses do the EP right?
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Old 2006-06-20, 23:57   Link #214
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Haruhi is human afterall. I would agree that if a protagonist would have a static personality, and would not grow as the plot progresses, then the story would be a bust. As you can see, the anime explained Haruhi's change eversince the start of the series (Yuuutsu I), and not necessarily the chronological order.

Yuutsu I showed her initial personality (brash, antisocial, manipulative).
Yuutsu II showed a little change (she is actually capable of jealousy)
Boredom showed another change (first time she showed her mellow side to Kyon towards the end of that episode)
Lone Island I showed that she is quite normal too (beach scenes).
Lone Island II showed that she cares for her comrades.
Someday in the Rain showed a lot of her mellow side.

etc, etc. I could go on and on about the changes in Haruhi while the anime is going, but I'm late for my class @_@
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Old 2006-06-21, 00:01   Link #215
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Sorry to kill your fun, but they're just costumes. Remember Yuki's explaination in episode 5. Humans were the first organic entities to develop higher order intelligence. Prior to that, only the data entities possessed it. As such, they could not have been aliens unless they were sent as interface terminals by the data entities, in which case, they would look like humans.

Actually, Yuki's exact words (according to the fansubbers) is "The emergence of self-awareness among the universe's maldistributed organic life forms was a common phenomenon. However, Terrestial humans were the first instance of evolution to a higher order of intelligence".

It is clear from what she said that there are other intelligent life forms (aliens) in the universe and that reaching this state of self-awareness is already a common phenomenon.

Moreover, Yuki's description of our solar system, as well as her description of humans as "bipedal organic life forms", infers a clear sense of organization, and such organization would be meaningless if humans are the only intelligent life form around. In other words, if someone were to describe it as "short red pencil", one would naturally infer that a "long red pencil" or a "short blue pencil" also exists.
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Old 2006-06-21, 00:02   Link #216
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good ep, was suprised that Haruhi had a good singing voice. I was assuming the worst and thinking it was going to be some horrible sounding song with comedy.
The second song Lost In Music or ever kind of was, kind of makes you wonder why they cut it off. Also is it just me or does the person singing the first song not sound like Aya Hirano at all but like the person that did Mylene Jenius singing voice in Macross 7. I mean its damn obvious Hirano did the opening, ending and second song but unless she has incredible range I think someone else did the first song.
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Old 2006-06-21, 00:04   Link #217
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The second song Lost In Music or ever kind of was, kind of makes you wonder why they cut it off. Also is it just me or does the person singing the first song not sound like Aya Hirano at all but like the person that did Mylene Jenius singing voice in Macross 7. I mean its damn obvious Hirano did the opening, ending and second song but unless she has incredible range I think someone else did the first song.
Check the credits. She sang it.
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Old 2006-06-21, 00:08   Link #218
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Remember the true/Haruhi order of the anime series.

We have:
Episode 09 : Remote Island Syndrome I
Episode 10 : Remote Island Syndrome II
Episode 11 : ???
Episode 12 : Live A Live
Episode 13 : Day of Sagittarius
Episode 14 : Someday In The Rain

The true episode 11 has not yet been shown.
Perhaps, though I still subscribe to the "Asahina Mikuru no Bouken 00 is Episode 11" theory, based on the fact that all true episode numberings have been chronological, and the completion of that film, chronologically, fits too-exactly-for-coincidence into the episode 11 slot.
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Old 2006-06-21, 00:16   Link #219
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I disagree with some others that believe there is no reason for the sudden change. Haruhi herself at the end said why she was like this. She was wondering if the things she had done were meaningless. Everyone thinks about things like that sometime, and maybe Haruhi had been thinking about her actions. When the band needed help she realized that maybe helping others isn't meaningless. There was a reason for her change in mood. She was thinking to much... :P
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The second song Lost In Music or ever kind of was, kind of makes you wonder why they cut it off. Also is it just me or does the person singing the first song not sound like Aya Hirano at all but like the person that did Mylene Jenius singing voice in Macross 7. I mean its damn obvious Hirano did the opening, ending and second song but unless she has incredible range I think someone else did the first song.
I'm afraid, that's the only flaw and a really big one for Fire Bomber.

Hirano Aya is just this impressive, as a singer and a VA. Her real personality and character is so far from Haruhi, when she speaks normally no one can believe she actually voiced Haruhi. Her normal vocie is quite high pitched, her singing voice is a soprano voice, but when she voice acts as Haruhi she's using a deeper tone and when she sings as Haruhi, she's actually singing in alto. That just shows how skilled she is in her singing abilities.
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