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Old 2009-10-13, 23:08   Link #4601
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why do we care about thiskiss anyways? Leonard STOLE a kiss from her. It surprised the crap out of her and then she bitch slapped him.


Isn't that enough?


no means no!

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seilly sadly i have to agree and disagree with you on this part.
firstly i agree about the Leonard and Kanme kiss it meant less than nothing to Kaname and all it meant to leonard was that it was in the hopes to try and woo Kaname into cooperating with him in the long run (reference to ANOT what douche bag aka Leonard has that little monolougue about the pimps he saw when he was younger)

i have to disagree with you on the part of pushing him inside a meat procesing plant. to me that seems a like too much of a nice and quick way to die. i would aim to draw his torture out for as long as possible.

if designers made douche bags leonard would be a Gucci douche bag. top of the range.
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Old 2009-10-13, 23:28   Link #4602
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Some pictures from the FMP Sigma raws.

Leonard shows Chidori his past.

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Chidori hesitates shooting Leonard.
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I don't know what the fuck happened here but judging from the pictures, she shoots him and then tries to kill herself on the plane but it somehow turns out this bastard is still alive and well.
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Hooray! My Sousuke and Tessa moment! She tries to hold his hands and he accepts
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Oh no he didn't do that!
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I wish Sousuke would have seen this. He would fucking blow his brains out. 2nd kiss btw.
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Rubbing it off doesn't help, unfortunately.
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Old 2009-10-13, 23:33   Link #4603
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That's a good looking revolver, too bad it was a fake death.
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Old 2009-10-14, 03:34   Link #4604
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In reality, I just follow this thread. I got the "news" about a new season from there.

In her dream (nightmare), in the end Sabrina doesn't turn into Kaname herself? One half killing other, trying to take control.

And Chidori has a young sister. Until more information about that, we must reject this "daughter" in biological ways.

As the ilusion itself... well, honestly, i can't understand much of it. Kaname herself believe that she shots Tessa and Sousuke. One side of her, actually. And then we have that voice telling Sousuke to wait. Why didn't she calls him for help? Why didn't she tells him that she is being manipulate by Sophia? Wouldn't she prefer being shot down than become a puppet on Leonard's hand and/or in Sophia's hand? The same person who created that ilusion spoke with Sousuke, and even told him to don't chase "her". That "don't be reckless" really fits when him has to choose between follow Kaname (and confront the enemy) or help Tessa and Lemon. I can't think why Sophia would create an ilusion, and then ask to Sousuke to wait for her. It's Kaname, and she is aware of the path that lies ahead.

From that, I just can think that former Chidori is aware of all. She created an ilusion to protect Sousuke and Tessa. She even says for him to wait for her. And mostly important, she is aware of this new Chidori.

I really don't know if this new Chidori is a part of Chidori itself or if its Sophia taking her under control. Only Gatou knows. But maybe, Chidori herself is aware of her actions. She can be walking her own way. We have room enough to think that as a possibility. Of course that she can be under control too.

Was her actions different than the usual? Yes, something really happens after the encounter with Sophia, but on COMO, we can see her looking down on Sousuke, like Leonard's word towards her in the night before. Of course she is affected by waht is happening in her school. But that was one of her sides.

Now, she is willing to play her part or to Sophia's will? On ly Gatou can tell us that. But as I said some pages behind, we really don't know who is behind mithi amalgam, or what are the true goals of Leonard, Sophia and Chidori. They don't necessarily need aim to the same goals. Kaname says that SHE has the most powerful Tauros engine.

Ll, Gatou has a huge problem. No one will be satisfect, doesn't matter what he comes up with in the next novel. He will be forced to keep writing this series until the day of his death.
Of course it's not a "daughter" in biological sense. But what we're sure is that the voice's owner waited for her for long. As also showed in NOT, Chidori is somehow a keystone of something (forgot which) but is pretty sure that it's connected with "the wraith in this relic".

Simply put, it's not Chidori in control when the illusion was created. I saw some works with similar cases before but I can't really recall the source, still, when you're obeying a person spiritually will you say you're controlled by them? No, so Chidori said "Sophia needs her to do something". Yes, it can be strange for her not calling for help, but remember that Chidori is sure that Sousuke will go after her, so is it really need to call for help?
Can it be split personality? Maybe, but unlikely. Because from Sousuke's view that's definately her except for her actions. And also remember, even the (if there's really one) former Chidori is aware that she killed Sousuke and Tessa, the same personality that recalled their friendship and love and then despise that. If she created this illusion to cheat Sophia, then it's not even logical for her to create a lie to cheat someone while taking this lie seriously.
Thus, the most logical explaination is that she's cooperating with Sophia. Weird, yeah, but then she's the real keystone in the world (by Leo), and is there something she wants to change in the past which makes her course the same as Sophia and Leo? Dunno.

You do raise an interesting point: who's behind Mithril and Amalgam? But from the story it's pretty clear that Tessa and Leonard are having the same goal: to eliminate Whispered from the world. They're just using different methods: the former wants to stop the sorce of what turning people to Whispereds, while the other wants to reset the timeline altogether. So more or less their paths are intervined, just see who should be the one to make the final decision.
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Old 2009-10-14, 08:10   Link #4605
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@Hunter

Just to make things clear. In my theory, the "former" Chidori is aware of all. She created the ilusion to protect Sousuke and Tessa, and even spoke with Sousuke.

She doesn't want Sousuke to keep chasing her. She wants him to wait for her.

She cheated this "new" Chidori. But she don't despite this new her. Probably she is willing to archieve the same goals. Then, the new Chidori can speak about Sousuke and Tessa's "death" without emotions. Something that doesn't happens when she recalls Kurz because in the depths of the new one, this "former" Chidori is fully aware of Kurz's death.

Former Chidori is aware that it was all an ilusion. The new Chidori despise the love and friendship, but because she knows that its ill-fated (in this world). The display of emotions (when she says that love Sousuke and longs for him, but also tells him to don't get near) after the dome too was an action of the new Chidori.

Now we have:

Former Chidori: Aware of her actions, created an ilusion, spoke with Sousuke, cry over Kurz's death.

New Chidori: Trying to change the world. Despise the ill-fated love and the "thin" friendship. Believes that Sousuke and Tessa are dead.

But they seen to have the same goal. Even if their emotions are different.

I really believe that Tessa wants to stop all the "whispering", but she doesn't want to erase the past. She looks ahead to continue with her life.
What Leonard wants, well, I really don't know. But I don't believe that he wants to change the past to stop wars and black tecnology.

What Sophia wants, if it is the same that new Chidori, or even if New Chidori and Former have the same goals, well who knows?
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Old 2009-10-14, 08:17   Link #4606
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The second time, probably was because Leonard was planning to leave Lemon (whos was injured) in a desert place and, if I recall, was a snowy mountain. It was an exchange for Lemon's life.

Yeah, and he really hits her. And she doesn't try to kill herself in the plane. She is pushing Kallinin to turn back the plane, so she can go back to where Sousuke is.
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Well Leonard IS Chidori's not only first but second, and maybe third or fourth and so on kiss. We know that.

It does look though that she is taking being kissed by Leonard bit better by now. Maybe soon she will learn how to enjoy it too, as Leonard seems more than willing to keep this up.

It would be funny if Sousuke would take her 12th or something kiss with his dying breath, only for her to still end up with Leonard after that. Well in Shoujo it would be a rather typical scenario - the girl likes other guy but ends up having her first kiss stolen by a bastard bishie and he keeps on stealing kisses until she finally realizes that she actually likes the bad guy who forced himself on her and tore her relationship with a good, pure prince apart.

Or another end. Sousuke dies, Leo survives, Sousuke gets his last-first kiss but since Leo is alive and Chidori survives too we can still 'hope' for Leo/Chidori end somewhere. Heck he would still have kissed her twice as much as Sousuke by that point too.

Or another not so bad but still not satisfying scenario. Both heros survive and we have and ending shot with them leaning towards each other for a kiss but we never have the luck to actually see it (or next worse - we see shadows in the sunset standing close, implying kissing). And then you would have been left with rather different feelings - you are happy since both of them are alive and probably have many kisses in the future, but you never see their actual kiss, just an implications of it, while the only real kisses you saw were Leo/Chidori.

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Old 2009-10-14, 08:59   Link #4608
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Well Leonard IS Chidori's not only first but second, and maybe third or fourth and so on kiss. We know that.

It does look though that she is taking being kissed by Leonard bit better by now. Maybe soon she will learn how to enjoy it too, as Leonard seems more than willing to keep this up.

It would be funny if Sousuke would take her 12th or something kiss with his dying breath, only for her to still end up with Leonard after that. Well in Shoujo it would be a rather typical scenario - the girl likes other guy but ends up having her first kiss stolen by a bastard bishie and he keeps on stealing kisses until she finally realizes that she actually likes the bad guy who forced himself on her and tore her relationship with a good, pure prince apart.

Or another end. Sousuke dies, Leo survives, Sousuke gets his last-first kiss but since Leo is alive and Chidori survives too we can still 'hope' for Leo/Chidori end somewhere. Heck he would still have kissed her twice as much as Sousuke by that point too.

Or another not so bad but still not satisfying scenario. Both heros survive and we have and ending shot with them leaning towards each other for a kiss but we never have the luck to actually see it (or next worse - we see shadows in the sunset standing close, implying kissing). And then you would have been left with rather different feelings - you are happy since both of them are alive and probably have many kisses in the future, but you never see their actual kiss, just an implications of it, while the only real kisses you saw were Leo/Chidori.
OH NO, man. DO NO WANT any of these.

I don't agree with the kissing thing, at least not currently. Leonad kissed Kaname twice yet, she hated both ok maybe she enjoyed phisically the first one (GRR yuck eww), but I don't think she enjoys it much more, at least it wasn't written in the novels.
NO MORE kisses from Leonard or I hit Gatou with something hard.
At first i thought that it's quite probable that Sousuke could die, but now i don't think so, it would be too wierd for Kaname to be the crying "oh noooo" of the two. And a last kiss at dieing would be SO cliche. And FMP is really not a cliche story (yet). The version with Leonard winning and taking Kaname... Well it would be too tragic and absurd IMO, after all these things. The version with S and K getting together but without kiss=i don't think so. Shadow kiss=maybe
But I do not want these I think is gonna be a much more twisted, and less simply black or white ending.
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Old 2009-10-14, 09:01   Link #4609
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Just to make things clear. In my theory, the "former" Chidori is aware of all. She created the ilusion to protect Sousuke and Tessa, and even spoke with Sousuke.

She doesn't want Sousuke to keep chasing her. She wants him to wait for her.
Very strange. Chidori herself told Sousuke that she will wait for HIM to come and save her no matter how many he has to kill.

@ Darknemo2000 - And that would be the last time we'll ever get to see something from the author again, If NOT the last time the public ever sees him.
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@Hunter

Just to make things clear. In my theory, the "former" Chidori is aware of all. She created the ilusion to protect Sousuke and Tessa, and even spoke with Sousuke.

She doesn't want Sousuke to keep chasing her. She wants him to wait for her.

She cheated this "new" Chidori. But she don't despite this new her. Probably she is willing to archieve the same goals. Then, the new Chidori can speak about Sousuke and Tessa's "death" without emotions. Something that doesn't happens when she recalls Kurz because in the depths of the new one, this "former" Chidori is fully aware of Kurz's death.

Former Chidori is aware that it was all an ilusion. The new Chidori despise the love and friendship, but because she knows that its ill-fated (in this world). The display of emotions (when she says that love Sousuke and longs for him, but also tells him to don't get near) after the dome too was an action of the new Chidori.

Now we have:

Former Chidori: Aware of her actions, created an ilusion, spoke with Sousuke, cry over Kurz's death.

New Chidori: Trying to change the world. Despise the ill-fated love and the "thin" friendship. Believes that Sousuke and Tessa are dead.

But they seen to have the same goal. Even if their emotions are different.

I really believe that Tessa wants to stop all the "whispering", but she doesn't want to erase the past. She looks ahead to continue with her life.
What Leonard wants, well, I really don't know. But I don't believe that he wants to change the past to stop wars and black tecnology.

What Sophia wants, if it is the same that new Chidori, or even if New Chidori and Former have the same goals, well who knows?
I re-checked the Chinese translation. No, she didn't tell Sousuke to wait for her; it's SHE who will wait for him so don't push himself too hard.
As well as the self-translation of that sentence: "This is actually a painful and sad thing, but the two are now useless. Their game of shallow friendships, or ill-fated lovers or such, so what if they continue? This world will be reset in the coming future regardless." As such, Sophia=Chidori is actually despising these as as whole because she won't care about it anymore, since they will be erased after the world reset.
This is an endless loop for the arguments though, but I still believe that Sohpia is taking control most of the time with just a little place for Chidori's mind to flow with, thus showing some sign of split personality.

And no, if you read NOT carefully you can see Leo's intensions. Even if Sousuke takes her back, they'll still suffer for the rest of their lives since there'll always someone longing for her power; but if the world resets then she'll just be an ordinary girl. And an important point: Chidori isn't a normal Whispered but a Whispering, the one who send BT to all other Whispered after receiving them from future (as she received Tau waves for the most, for unknown reasons). Why will she want to intervene the present, for some unacceptable past or something in the future? That's the main problem behind all these stuff.
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Old 2009-10-14, 09:56   Link #4611
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I re-checked the Chinese translation. No, she didn't tell Sousuke to wait for her; it's SHE who will wait for him so don't push himself too hard.
As well as the self-translation of that sentence: "This is actually a painful and sad thing, but the two are now useless. Their game of shallow friendships, or ill-fated lovers or such, so what if they continue? This world will be reset in the coming future regardless." As such, Sophia=Chidori is actually despising these as as whole because she won't care about it anymore, since they will be erased after the world reset.
This is an endless loop for the arguments though, but I still believe that Sohpia is taking control most of the time with just a little place for Chidori's mind to flow with, thus showing some sign of split personality.

And no, if you read NOT carefully you can see Leo's intensions. Even if Sousuke takes her back, they'll still suffer for the rest of their lives since there'll always someone longing for her power; but if the world resets then she'll just be an ordinary girl. And an important point: Chidori isn't a normal Whispered but a Whispering, the one who send BT to all other Whispered after receiving them from future (as she received Tau waves for the most, for unknown reasons). Why will she want to intervene the present, for some unacceptable past or something in the future? That's the main problem behind all these stuff.
Now you really have a point. It's she who said that will wait for him. I can'g go against the original translation. Maybe she is really waiting for Sousuke.

And yes, Chidori recognizes this world as ill-fated. Thats why she wants to changed it. Or at least, its what I think.

And you are absolutely right. Its an endless loop for arguments.

Regarding Leonard's intention, I just have the sensation that Gatou will come up with something that will surprise us all. He seens to like those twists in the story, like Kallinins betrayal. And as you said, Chidori seens to be aware that, in this world, there will be always someone chasing her, and so Sousuke would be in an endless struggle to protect her (and that's something that I'm saying since the first post... It's just seens to be clear in the novel itself in my opinion).

Its and endless discuss until Gatou release the novel. But its very nice have someone who can translate from the chinese version to discuss about the novels.
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Very strange. Chidori herself told Sousuke that she will wait for HIM to come and save her no matter how many he has to kill.

@ Darknemo2000 - And that would be the last time we'll ever get to see something from the author again, If NOT the last time the public ever sees him.
Although it was in CMMD, Hunter pointed that she will still wait for him after the ilusion in ANOT.
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Old 2009-10-14, 10:26   Link #4613
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Darknemo2000, I understand your point of view. In the direction the novel is going, anything can happen. As for the kiss, in my view, Kaname has not had his first "real kiss". A "real kiss" is when two people who love each other, they kiss one to the other, and enjoy the moment. Be caught by surprise by someone with their lips together is not a "real kiss". Leonard can steal when kisses you like, will be nothing. It continues being a stolen kiss of a kidnapper. There is no reciprocity. A real kiss must be reciprocated physically and emotionally.

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Old 2009-10-14, 19:04   Link #4614
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Speaking of Sousuke and Kaname, today I accidentally came across a shipping trope about them on the TV Tropes website. The writer of the trope claims that because of the "derailment of Kaname's character" in the latter novels, quite a few fans who used to ship the Sousuke/Kaname pairing abandoned the ship preferring that Sousuke had remained the emotionless Kashim. Here's the link if anyone cares to peruse the mention:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph.../DieForOurShip

For me, I still have faith in the ship.
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Old 2009-10-14, 21:20   Link #4615
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Well Leonard IS Chidori's not only first but second, and maybe third or fourth and so on kiss. We know that.

It does look though that she is taking being kissed by Leonard bit better by now. Maybe soon she will learn how to enjoy it too, as Leonard seems more than willing to keep this up.

It would be funny if Sousuke would take her 12th or something kiss with his dying breath, only for her to still end up with Leonard after that. Well in Shoujo it would be a rather typical scenario - the girl likes other guy but ends up having her first kiss stolen by a bastard bishie and he keeps on stealing kisses until she finally realizes that she actually likes the bad guy who forced himself on her and tore her relationship with a good, pure prince apart.

Or another end. Sousuke dies, Leo survives, Sousuke gets his last-first kiss but since Leo is alive and Chidori survives too we can still 'hope' for Leo/Chidori end somewhere. Heck he would still have kissed her twice as much as Sousuke by that point too.

Or another not so bad but still not satisfying scenario. Both heros survive and we have and ending shot with them leaning towards each other for a kiss but we never have the luck to actually see it (or next worse - we see shadows in the sunset standing close, implying kissing). And then you would have been left with rather different feelings - you are happy since both of them are alive and probably have many kisses in the future, but you never see their actual kiss, just an implications of it, while the only real kisses you saw were Leo/Chidori.
i dont think that Kaname enjoyed any of the kisses that she has been forced to endure. the first one when he kisses her instantle her thought is something along the lines of i wanted to share this with Sousuke so any enjoyment of it could be put down to eitehr the rush of the moment or her imagining kissing Sousuke instead of Leonard.

when Leonard kisses ehr the second time if anything it is more of a submission in not bothering to argue and fight it anymore because she knows he can do anything he wants to her and its useless to fight it at this point in time. she has also seen Leonards true colours in the way that he is only using her.

also i dont think Kaname could ever forgive Leonard and just accept being with him after everything he did in Tokyo.

after re-reading ANOT i feeling a little more positive that Gatoh wont go for a time reset ending.

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even if Kaname and Leonard agree and try and rewrite the past im hoping Gatoh somehow writes it that Sousuke stops them but when he stops them he severs the link to the future and from that point on no more black technology will be able to be accessed. once again im banking on my theory that Sousuke decides to stop them even thought there is the possibility to bring people back that have died on the basis that even though they have suffered and had harsh lives those trials have brought them all together and turned them into the people they are. also if it wasnt for those events none of them woudl ahve met each other.

i forgot to add that in the end Leonard dies.
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Old 2009-10-14, 22:07   Link #4616
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@Hunter

Just to make things clear. In my theory, the "former" Chidori is aware of all. She created the ilusion to protect Sousuke and Tessa, and even spoke with Sousuke.

She doesn't want Sousuke to keep chasing her. She wants him to wait for her.

She cheated this "new" Chidori. But she don't despite this new her. Probably she is willing to archieve the same goals. Then, the new Chidori can speak about Sousuke and Tessa's "death" without emotions. Something that doesn't happens when she recalls Kurz because in the depths of the new one, this "former" Chidori is fully aware of Kurz's death.

Former Chidori is aware that it was all an ilusion. The new Chidori despise the love and friendship, but because she knows that its ill-fated (in this world). The display of emotions (when she says that love Sousuke and longs for him, but also tells him to don't get near) after the dome too was an action of the new Chidori.

Now we have:

Former Chidori: Aware of her actions, created an ilusion, spoke with Sousuke, cry over Kurz's death.

New Chidori: Trying to change the world. Despise the ill-fated love and the "thin" friendship. Believes that Sousuke and Tessa are dead.

But they seen to have the same goal. Even if their emotions are different.

I really believe that Tessa wants to stop all the "whispering", but she doesn't want to erase the past. She looks ahead to continue with her life.
What Leonard wants, well, I really don't know. But I don't believe that he wants to change the past to stop wars and black tecnology.

What Sophia wants, if it is the same that new Chidori, or even if New Chidori and Former have the same goals, well who knows?
Wow I love your theory, it sounds alot like mines too! This is the only one that makes sence with the whole,..messages over messages...

dont work too hard,..
wait for me...

this sounds ALOT like the message she made in TDDA-1

Dont worry Everything be HAPPY! <3

Still funny her english isnt as good, but it's expected, shes japanese lol.

but yeah it MATCHES perfectly.

Now, the whole big crap of phenomenon is...

if the future chidori is the original chidori doing all this...

WHERE in GODS name did the black technology came from in the first place?!!?





its the chicken and the egg question...

damn.

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Well Leonard IS Chidori's not only first but second, and maybe third or fourth and so on kiss. We know that.

It does look though that she is taking being kissed by Leonard bit better by now. Maybe soon she will learn how to enjoy it too, as Leonard seems more than willing to keep this up......

....Sousuke gets his last-first kiss but since Leo is alive and Chidori survives too we can still 'hope' for Leo/Chidori end somewhere. Heck he would still have kissed her twice as much as Sousuke by that point too.

.......you are happy since both of them are alive and probably have many kisses in the future, but you never see their actual kiss, just an implications of it, while the only real kisses you saw were Leo/Chidori.

.

from the looks of it, you only care if someone kisses somebody in the end...

you might as well have Leonard makeout with Mardukas and call it a day.. .LOL...
Your ending theory is like reading a Rape Doujinshi. Ewwww... NO!

A real bad one. LOL....where the characters dont even look like the originals...

and yeah they exist...-sighs- poor Tessa...
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Old 2009-10-14, 22:12   Link #4617
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I have to agree with you Chidori. It is a question I myself have been wondering for quite some time. and the answers are still not there. knowing the majority of the story as we do.. it still leaves that question un answered.


errr.. - looked ot her edited comment. - I rather not.. imagine something like that..
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I have to agree with you Chidori. It is a question I myself have been wondering for quite some time. and the answers are still not there. knowing the majority of the story as we do.. it still leaves that question un answered.


errr.. - looked ot her edited comment. - I rather not.. imagine something like that..
oh god, you have no idea. Hey wait I know you! <_<..!!



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seilly sadly i have to agree and disagree with you on this part.
firstly i agree about the Leonard and Kanme kiss it meant less than nothing to Kaname and all it meant to leonard was that it was in the hopes to try and woo Kaname into cooperating with him in the long run (reference to ANOT what douche bag aka Leonard has that little monolougue about the pimps he saw when he was younger)

i have to disagree with you on the part of pushing him inside a meat procesing plant. to me that seems a like too much of a nice and quick way to die. i would aim to draw his torture out for as long as possible.

if designers made douche bags leonard would be a Gucci douche bag. top of the range.

XD!! @ post from FMC..
So you want Leonard turned to a Gucci bag? I was hoping for leather shoes,....

.......shoes made with the skin of his heart tinted in blue.

Do they come in size 7 1/2 ?

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Speaking of Sousuke and Kaname, today I accidentally came across a shipping trope about them on the TV Tropes website. The writer of the trope claims that because of the "derailment of Kaname's character" in the latter novels, quite a few fans who used to ship the Sousuke/Kaname pairing abandoned the ship preferring that Sousuke had remained the emotionless Kashim. Here's the link if anyone cares to peruse the mention:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph.../DieForOurShip

For me, I still have faith in the ship.

WOW,..thats the first i EVER heard anyone perfering the emotionless Kashim over how he is now. Anyone who likes him in that mode,..must have seen only the first 3 episodes or something? His Kashim side only showed briefly in his tough moments....and its not even part of him at all anymore..

He changes from the very beginning..

If he goes back to Kashim, its not even Sousuke anymore. Why bother growing to become the man he is now, knowing how to kick major ass and still win back the girl...only to go back? thats pathetic.

you'd have another Heero from gundam Wing. One of them is enough, Lame.

Who the hell wants him as the lonely kashim? Sousuke isnt a Samurai.

Those fans,...who "left" am glad are gone. Hit the road!

If the Romance and Battles are too hot for you then leave the inferno! Woot!
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Old 2009-10-14, 22:23   Link #4619
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um.. do you now? - looks left. and then right. - and I agree with him. Leonard deserves a slow.. painful.. inhuman torture! allow me to perform it to him.. as I am well.. a specialist in those fields. ( psst Selily.. Clanned should be done loading lets go watch it now )
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Not really, there are ALOT of fans who prefer Kashim over Sousuke especially with this Kaname/Leonard thing going on. I'v always been a Tessa shipper though, so I'm not included but the hopes of Sousuke x Tessa happening is highly unlikely. =(
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