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Old 2007-03-04, 09:33   Link #901
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I don't think Kuu necessarily loves Kyoshiro

She loves her Prince

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How does she start her typical day?

With "My dear prince..."
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Old 2007-03-04, 09:44   Link #902
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I don't think Kuu necessarily loves Kyoshiro

She loves her Prince

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How does she start her typical day?

With "My dear prince..."
Love and flights of fantasies are two different things. If a stronger word was to be used, it will have to be 'obsession' at best.
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Old 2007-03-04, 11:24   Link #903
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Love and flights of fantasies are two different things. If a stronger word was to be used, it will have to be 'obsession' at best.
But, wasn't Kuu infatuated with Kyoshiro because he was *like* a prince? So it seems only natural that she prefers the real thing. ^^
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Old 2007-03-04, 11:45   Link #904
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But, wasn't Kuu infatuated with Kyoshiro because he was *like* a prince? So it seems only natural that she prefers the real thing. ^^
Technically, that's logical and true. However, I can always equate this to Kyoshiro as well.

Kyoshiro's initial objective: Get close to Shiratori Kuu, bring her in and in that event be one step closer to achieving the twisted version of whatever Kazuya's goal was, and that is in his opinion, killing all the Zettai Tenshi.

Changes: Kyoshiro eventually gets emotionally attached to Kuu, despite attempting to distance himself as he implied, but ultimately falls for her.

Question here that's screaming in his head: "What the hell happened to your duty to your beloved Nii-san?!"

Kyoshiro: "To hell with it. I love her. I've "consulted" with him and he agrees. Shut up."

While this isn't the best comparison, what I want to get across are the changes. She was infatuated with him because Kyoshiro was indeed like a prince, but did this 'real thing' spend time with her? Care for her? Help her out in dire need, whatever his real agenda was? Did she not enjoy being with him even without reason? That's were the similarities set in. It's the interaction of both characters with each other that change their initial perspectives that allows them to look at each other in a different light.
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Old 2007-03-04, 12:44   Link #905
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It is a parallel in a way that both Kyoshiro and Kuu have more than one priorities

Kyoshiro blatantly said word per word, that he will protect both Kuu and the mission entrusted to him. He was not planning on giving up on either.

Likewise, despite loving Kyoshiro, a very considerable part of Kuu yearns for her prince. Her true prince.
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Old 2007-03-04, 12:53   Link #906
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I don't think that's right cause she's admitted in a past episode she doesn't love her prince, in episode I quote she says: In my heart, its neither a brother or a lover, but he's my confidant, my aim, my dream."

So in the end the prince is someone she wants to become in simple someone stronger who's needed.

So no I don't think she loves Kazuya or ever will, especially when she gets her memories back.

I hope that Kazuya dies horrible death!
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Old 2007-03-04, 12:57   Link #907
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It is a parallel in a way that both Kyoshiro and Kuu have more than one priorities

Kyoshiro blatantly said word per word, that he will protect both Kuu and the mission entrusted to him. He was not planning on giving up on either.

Likewise, despite loving Kyoshiro, a very considerable part of Kuu yearns for her prince. Her true prince. This is how Kazuya got to her.

And it's actually even more complex than that, because You see.. Kuu is not just Kuu that we see. She is also Ciello, the angel in the tank that made a pact with Kazuya. She is also Valticia, the lonesome Sun, and she is also Shiratori Kuu, the bubly highschool girl dreaming of her Prince.
Apparently you've been watching episode 9, while I haven't.

Indeed, I had even stated once that somewhere in Kuu, she's still living in her fantasy, although I doubt the Shiratori Kuu would have went without struggling, the point where she is also Ciello and Valticia (whoever they are...Need that episode! >.<) could very well alter her decisions ultimately.
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Old 2007-03-04, 13:30   Link #908
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although I doubt the Shiratori Kuu would have went without struggling,
you havent see it yet...but Waruteishia has mastered the art of Persuasion
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Old 2007-03-04, 13:35   Link #909
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I don't think that's right cause she's admitted in a past episode she doesn't love her prince, in episode I quote she says: In my heart, its neither a brother or a lover, but he's my confidant, my aim, my dream."

So in the end the prince is someone she wants to become in simple someone stronger who's needed.
That makes him her GOD, actually. Which puts him even higher up. She prays to him every morning.

But that's not point. Labels are just labels. It doesn't matter if a Sister loves God romantically or not, she will still never ever marry you and return your feelings.. period.

What matters is a substantial part of Kuu's subconscious favors Kazuya. You can argue the nature of this feeling. It doesn't matter. In the end what matters is that it hold influence over her.


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Old 2007-03-04, 13:38   Link #910
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So, the correct romanization for "Waruteishia" is "Valticia" or it is more like an educated guess?
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Old 2007-03-04, 13:47   Link #911
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Warutishia if you want to go word per word, but that would be equivalent to keeping Strike Gundam as sutoraiku gandamu.

I prefer to use western phonetics, so I use Valticia

There is no absolute law saying which to choose. Just use which you prefer.

Heck, some of my friends call her Valkyrie.. which is also appropriate in an amusing way
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Old 2007-03-04, 14:08   Link #912
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I already knew "Waruteishia" (or Warutishia") is the romanized transliteration of ワルテイシア, but what I was wondering was if the official romanized spelling was confirmed (like in the case of "Tarlotte"). Anyway, based on what you said, it seems it's not confirmed yet. Is that correct?

Also the correct spelling for "Ciello" is most likely "Cielo", which is "sky" in spanish. After all, "Kuu" (空) is written with the same kanji as "sky".
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Old 2007-03-04, 14:30   Link #913
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A lot of people haven't seen ep9 yet, since it hasn't been subbed in English. So those of us who have seen it should probably be more careful about keeping spoilers hidden. We learn a lot about Kazuya, Kuu, Valticia, etc., in ep9, and we should keep all of that -- and speculations based on it -- hidden until the sub comes out.

I just watched a Chinese sub and loved ep9 even more. Strong and deep, as the intense discussions prove.
Spoiler for ep9:
Valticia is played by Ogata Megumi, a 40-year-old VA who was Sailor Uranus, Ikari Shinji in NGE, and the adult UFO Princess Valkyrie.
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Old 2007-03-04, 15:01   Link #914
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Just admiting that he has treated Setsuna like crap doesn't mean anything. Only through actions you can redeem yourself. And Kyoshiro should at least give his life for her or something to really deserve some forgiveness. Until then he is still the biggest asshole of the series.

Which makes Kazuya my new hero, or at least he was my hero till he put his hands on Kaon. Only Himiko has the right to that.

Anyway, I'm really looking forwards to see Himiko saving everyone from Kazuya's grasp. ^^
Kazuya a hero?! no way man he's just an arse and he's so good in being one.

When Kyoshiro was young he didn't know what Kazuya was doing. Its true that Kyoshiro has to redeem himself but it does not mean that he has to die to gain it.

I mean how can u blame kyoshiro, he was just a child when Kazuya is going psycho about AA's. Kyoshiro unknowingly admired Kazuya, his arse of a brother in real life>.<

Kazuya is just one twisted bastard

He's so gay, epi. 9 was awesome but the part where Kazuya does this awkward poses is just making the show bland

I feel bad for Kyoshiro and Waru, ha!i think she was brainwashed by Kazuya, the master manipulator.
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Old 2007-03-04, 15:04   Link #915
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I just watched a Chinese sub and loved ep9 even more. Strong and deep, as the intense discussions prove.
Spoiler for ep9:
Valticia is played by Ogata Megumi, a 40-year-old VA who was Sailor Uranus, Ikari Shinji in NGE, and the adult UFO Princess Valkyrie.
She doesn't sound anything like Sailor Uranus at all and she sounds like she has a cold. Matsuoka Yuki doesn't sound much like Eva either. (That voice clip on the website you gave earlier sounds really, really weird compared to Setsuna's voice.)

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Old 2007-03-04, 15:34   Link #916
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I mean how can u blame kyoshiro, he was just a child when Kazuya is going psycho about AA's. Kyoshiro unknowingly admired Kazuya, his arse of a brother in real life>.<
Whatever happened with you in the past doesn’t justify what you do in the present. Kyoshiro is a bastard and it doesn't matter what happened with his brother when he was a child. Sure, it adds to his character development, but it doesn't justify his actions.

Kazuya is the villain, but that doesn't mean Kyoshiro is not a asshole. He is period

The question now is what he can do to redeem himself. He's not beyond redemption. I concede that!
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Old 2007-03-04, 16:44   Link #917
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That makes him her GOD, actually. Which puts him even higher up. She prays to him every morning.

But that's not point. Labels are just labels. It doesn't matter if a Sister loves God romantically or not, she will still never ever marry you and return your feelings.. period.

What matters is a substantial part of Kuu's subconscious favors Kazuya. You can argue the nature of this feeling. It doesn't matter. In the end what matters is that it hold influence over her.




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I meant her old memories that waruteshia buried and she's not really whole yet is she? Waruteshia hasn't actually molded into one with Kuu yet so you're not completely right.

And I don't think Kyoshiro is an asshole he was just mislead and besides he is getting better it's Kazuya who's the bad guy PERIOD!!!
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Old 2007-03-04, 16:47   Link #918
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Episode 09 - Maiden Unfullfilled

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blood!!! i see flames!! T_T
ep 9 ~
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There are quite a few inaccuracies in your review Mr. DeathKillz, but you perfectly make clear the general idea and thanks to that I understood the episode.

Kazuya MUST be nominated as the Prince of Pimps and receive the award as the Worst (Lamest) Anime Villain of the Year. To be honest, his orgasmic quotes of poetry come to match with Leonil Taylor's hollow speeches of corniness.
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Talk how annoying and corny Kyoshiro sounded and acted like everytime he was addressing Kazuya this, and Kazuya that... and top it all, emulating a bastard for a brother.

I back those words, since Kazuya has arrived and bringing all of his pimpiness to the nth glory.

It is good to see that the episode showcased a different of shade on Mika which allowed me to feel for her and also making amends for her wrongdoings.
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Yes, I also noticed Walteishia's strange behavior.
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There are only three episodes left.
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Old 2007-03-04, 18:16   Link #919
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I have a feeling that Kuu's brooch she recieved will play a vital role for the next episode and yeah I agree with Guido about Kuu's memories.

That's a good theory a+ ^^
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Old 2007-03-04, 19:27   Link #920
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i really start to feel bad for mika sama .in the past she have gf i think but Kazuya kiss her gf .mika was feel hurt b/c that.
and know Kazuya kill mika at the end ....she really not the bad guy but Kazuya is the bad all the alond.
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