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Old 2006-08-23, 15:20   Link #121
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question, what does Oryo mean now? to Toraji anyway.
My theory was that it was Hee-jin's Japanese name, through the whole thing where non-Japanese must adopt Japanese names when getting citizenship, but now that that's quashed with Ep4, my theory is that it's his mother's name
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Old 2006-08-23, 17:30   Link #122
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My first post here, i hope my english isn't as bad as I think it is :)

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Old 2006-08-24, 11:59   Link #123
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Steve seems to be the most levelheaded of the Phantom crew. kuromitsu, i'm not sure but was that him acting like the sergeant in the dramas?
He is in the dramas, but he's not the sergeant - he seems to be the same rank as Jin & Jou. At least that's how I remember, but I can't check it now, I have no time to listen to the whole thing again (why can't they put it up for download...).

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My theory was that it was Hee-jin's Japanese name, through the whole thing where non-Japanese must adopt Japanese names when getting citizenship,
That may be correct, actually. Maybe it's just a coincidence that Hee-jin's name is the same as what I think is a nickname Toraji gave Leni. Or who knows, maybe Toraji calls every woman "Oryo"...

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Soundtrack for this episode was really great ! I totally love the piano pieces, and the animation for those parts was top-notch !
I agree - they actually looked like they were playing the pieces. That was some rather impressive animation. Also, the music was absolutely great. I want the OST now.

As for the rest... (sorry for my bad English, my brain seems to be in stand-by mode today)
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Old 2006-08-24, 12:34   Link #124
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Toraji calls every woman Oryo because he fancies himself as Ryoma Sakamoto, the father modern Japanese navy. Oryo is Ryoma's wife. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakamoto_Ryoma
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Old 2006-08-26, 00:07   Link #125
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He is in the dramas, but he's not the sergeant - he seems to be the same rank as Jin & Jou. At least that's how I remember, but I can't check it now, I have no time to listen to the whole thing again (why can't they put it up for download...).
have no fear, i was able to rip them.

so, for anyone else too who wants to grabe these Radio Shows with the Drama Tracks near the end...

innocent-v radio 3
innocent-v radio 4
innocent-v radio 5
innocent-v radio 6
innocent-v radio 7

*best played with VLC so you can use the seeker bar*
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Old 2006-08-26, 00:40   Link #126
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Toraji calls every woman Oryo because he fancies himself as Ryoma Sakamoto, the father modern Japanese navy. Oryo is Ryoma's wife. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakamoto_Ryoma
While that is an intersting suggestion, I was under the impression that he calls her Oryo, because that is the Japanese reading of the Korean characters that spell the name, Hee-jin. It probably does encourage him to make that joke though.

I'm sure that the writers were cracking up when they thought of giving her a name that could be read as Oryo. I'm impressed that you made the connection to Ryouma. He's definitely got a few things in common with him.

Note: My source for the Japanese reading of "Hee-jin" being "Oryu" is in the KissSub version of episode 3 at 11:50. If anyone knows that they are wrong, please speak out.
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Old 2006-08-26, 01:05   Link #127
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KissSub acknowledged their mistake in Ep04.
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Old 2006-08-26, 01:06   Link #128
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Thanks. I missed that. Then he's probably just amusing himself with that Sakamoto Ryouma reference.

Where in the episode was this retraction?
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Old 2006-08-26, 01:13   Link #129
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Thanks. I missed that. Then he's probably just amusing himself with that Sakamoto Ryouma reference.

Where in the episode was this retraction?
After the OP, when the episode title shows up. Around 03:06.
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Old 2006-08-26, 03:37   Link #130
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While that is an intersting suggestion, I was under the impression that he calls her Oryo, because that is the Japanese reading of the Korean characters that spell the name, Hee-jin. It probably does encourage him to make that joke though.

I'm sure that the writers were cracking up when they thought of giving her a name that could be read as Oryo. I'm impressed that you made the connection to Ryouma. He's definitely got a few things in common with him.

Note: My source for the Japanese reading of "Hee-jin" being "Oryu" is in the KissSub version of episode 3 at 11:50. If anyone knows that they are wrong, please speak out.
the thing is, he also calls Leni "Oryo", that's why we're now assuming it's a nickname he kinda assigns to women.
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Old 2006-08-26, 09:28   Link #131
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Thanks to Cilia & kuromitsus' reviews I could perfectly understood what happens in this episode.

Now we have a broader picture about Jin.
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Jou I can compare him to Layla from Avenger. Both non-talkative but decisively loyal to the person they care/respect about.
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Look like we know now who was Toraji's sensei with the katana.
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For Sana we got the broad picture of her family. I wonder if Dr. Nobuto was actually the designer for the Gladiators, which I think it is him.
On the photo Sana is the spitting image of her mother, but doesn't look strange that although she inherited the same color of her mothers' eyes, Sana's hair matches no color from her parents?

I wonder whatever clue that Dr. Nobuto hide in Sana is related to the piano score?

By the preview for episode six.....
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There was an announcement in the preview telling that episode six won't air until three weeks, September 13th.
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Old 2006-08-26, 09:36   Link #132
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There was an announcement in the preview telling that episode six won't air until three weeks, September 13th.
3 weeks?! woah that sucks.
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Old 2006-08-26, 16:57   Link #133
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Thank you~! I can't download them now, though, it seems I have to wait a little. (Apparently all slots designed for my country are full... damn.)

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Old 2006-08-26, 17:18   Link #134
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I've ween watching the piano performance scenes in loop. I've already said it, but the piano pieces are just too great. I always fall for piano tracks

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Guido, you're too good to me since my review was, for a big part, wrong ^^
About Sana's hair color, i don't know what to think. It can be some hint for the story as it can be some unleashed imagination from the character designer.

All in all, Innocent Venus is a good anime. Even if 3D is not always that well integrated, the overall art is nice. The plot is more complex than it seems at first glance. It's delightful to watch the show knowing that the whole story is yet to be discovered.
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Old 2006-08-27, 00:16   Link #135
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I've ween watching the piano performance scenes in loop. I've already said it, but the piano pieces are just too great. I always fall for piano tracks
i got the first two on YouSendIt, the links might still probaby work

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Old 2006-08-27, 08:59   Link #136
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hmm

perhaps it will be Jou that protects Sana when Jins plan for revenge will get dangerous for Sana.
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Old 2006-08-27, 16:44   Link #137
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for a moment, i thought whatever "secret weapon" there was would be in the piano playing and Sana unsealing it, lol.

anyway, that was pretty insightful of Sana so i've a bit of newfound respect for her. and i think it's awesome that Jin admittedly revealed his motives to her, with Sana even offering herself and then-here's what i thought what the really sweet part was (and i don't mean to imply at anything, mind you)-Jin doesn't want Sana to get involved. now what i want to see is Jin stick to his word, what with all the apparent shadiness this episode plus the previous ones have have shed light on. and Jo really seems to trust Jin, doesn't he? lol @ him throwing off Gora. XD

dang, an animated character is even better than me at playing the piano >_>
(seriously, that part was brilliantly animated. i was entranced by the movement of the hands and fingers touching the keys gently like they were real people.)
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Old 2006-08-27, 23:06   Link #138
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Wow, this anime's soundtrack is good good >.<. When does the OST come out? I needs it!
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Old 2006-08-27, 23:18   Link #139
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Old 2006-08-28, 03:53   Link #140
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1/ It might be thanks to his father's political status, but this is pure speculation.
2/ Another hypothesis is that Dr Nobuto could have been a political figure as well, and that's why Jin tried firstly to get in touch with him.
I think 1) is more possible. More so as I can really see Jin being curious and sniffing around his father's top secret documents. :D

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The plot is more complex than it seems at first glance. It's delightful to watch the show knowing that the whole story is yet to be discovered.
Same here - the plot is not the most original ever, but it's interesting enough that if it wasn't an original story I would've already hunted down the source material and spoiled myself silly. :D It's more exciting this way, that I have to go with the pace of the anime and discover it as it goes.

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i think it's awesome that Jin admittedly revealed his motives to her, with Sana even offering herself and then-here's what i thought what the really sweet part was (and i don't mean to imply at anything, mind you)-Jin doesn't want Sana to get involved.
Yes, that scene was very sweet - overall, I find Jin and Sana's relationship rather sweet, especially as it's not played for fanservice. But I have to wonder if Jin was telling the truth. I mean... okay, he looked awfully honest, and I see no reason why he shouldn't trust Sana, and I don't want him to lie, but still... (In the second episode of the radio drama he was positively creepy as he toyed with that soldier, even though it was just a poker game, and revealed that he knew he was being watched by Leni. He's really the type who may smile, and smile and be a villain...) I'd even go as far as suspecting that his real goal may not be simply revenge. He doesn't seem to me as someone who decides that he'd avenge his father without thinking about every possible consequence, and it seems he could gain quite much with disposing of the right people.

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I still insist that Sana is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. She has the symptoms and the situation was ideal for fostering it.
I don't know, really. I think she just fancies Jin as her personal Prince Charming. I mean, if I were the same age and there was a guy who always tried to ensure my safety, always came running to get me out of trouble, indulged me whenever he could and in general, treated me like Jin treats Sana, I would probably feel the same way for him. Also so far, neither Jin nor Jou have treated her harshly, they didn't force her to do anything that wasn't necessary for their safety. Also, she's much less at ease with Jou than she is with Jin, obviously she's a bit afraid of him.

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Jo's nonchalancy about Jin is amusing. His trademark phrase of "Whatever Jin does, I'll do as well" is practically begging to be twisted into slashfics. The horror, the funky horror.
xD That was my first thought when he said that line (and when they showed that expression on his face). Funny thing is, going by what the director said, Jin is supposed to be more likely to have, er, feelings for Jou... but who knows, maybe they switched the pairing. :D;;
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