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Old 2010-01-12, 01:36   Link #2321
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Gildartz didn't seem surprised by Natsu's behavior, so I guess it predates Lisana's death.
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Old 2010-01-12, 11:52   Link #2322
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I'm quite surprised by how recent Lisana's death is; 2 years? wow, how little Natsu mentions her I thought it was a little longer than that. I suppose it is the shounen nature of the manga.

Anyways, it seems it is an uncomfortable topic for Natsu. But I'm sort of intrigued in the backstory, which, makes me sad since we all know how it ends.
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Old 2010-01-12, 11:57   Link #2323
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Well she did offer to be his bride in the Happy chapter...
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Old 2010-01-13, 03:51   Link #2324
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here's my wild theory: is it possible that Zeref is/was the DS for this black dragon? We can assume that DS are weaker than the actual dragons, and we know that Gildartz is insanely strong... and this black dragon still was more than a match for him. We also know that Zeref is considered to be the strongest and evilest mage in recent history... and since black is often associated with evil, I wonder if that could be a connection?

and another random thought, though this is probably too dark for this manga: maybe Natsu is always looking for a fight or doing this dangerous stuff in order to cover for pain that Lisana's death caused... and eventually it just ended up becoming a habit?
But there's also the probability that the black dragon didn't even train a DS, seems like it hates humans. It might be useless to pursue this line of thought until we learn more.

The second point is very likely. It's so easy to imagine this: 'If I was a little stronger, I can protect those close to me.' which leads to 'to become stronger, I must keep fighting those who are stronger than me.'
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Old 2010-01-14, 01:29   Link #2325
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But there's also the probability that the black dragon didn't even train a DS, seems like it hates humans. It might be useless to pursue this line of thought until we learn more.
Presuming the DS are human and not just the baby form of dragons.
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Old 2010-01-14, 02:51   Link #2326
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Could be both!
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Old 2010-01-14, 14:36   Link #2327
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I wouldn't doubt that the only way to kill a dragon is to be another dragon... it's quite possible that the more one uses DS magic, and the stronger the magic becomes, the more you start turning in a dragon yourself (after all, Natsu was gaining the teeth and scales of a dragon... wouldn't be surprised if he got claws as well, and even wings at one point. The question is, how long until the transformation can't be reversed?)
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Old 2010-01-14, 14:45   Link #2328
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Perhaps after eating dragon flame?
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Old 2010-01-14, 19:33   Link #2329
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Possible Theory: DS magic is a magic that allows humans to fight on the level of dragons right? But according to Gildartz, only a dragon can fight a dragon, which means that DS magic might be something of a transformative magic, accelerating an originally human person into a dragon the more it is used. One side-effect could be that it rapidly ages the body towards the full dragon form, which is why Natsu and Gazille were affected by that 80 years rule.

Kind of mind-blowing to know that Dragons may have actually been human... and if we follow this line of thought, it might be possible that Zeref could be the black dragon.
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Old 2010-01-14, 19:36   Link #2330
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Possible Theory: DS magic is a magic that allows humans to fight on the level of dragons right? But according to Gildartz, only a dragon can fight a dragon, which means that DS magic might be something of a transformative magic, accelerating an originally human person into a dragon the more it is used. One side-effect could be that it rapidly ages the body towards the full dragon form, which is why Natsu and Gazille were affected by that 80 years rule.

Kind of mind-blowing to know that Dragons may have actually been human... and if we follow this line of thought, it might be possible that Zeref could be the black dragon.
zeref is still lock up
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Old 2010-01-14, 19:55   Link #2331
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zeref is still lock up
Yeah, the council believes him dead as well. But all we saw of his supposed survival was a single hole in the ground, and Igneel was hiding in like some lava place, so can't really say Zeref is staying in one single place.
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Old 2010-01-14, 20:56   Link #2332
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Yeah, the council believes him dead as well. But all we saw of his supposed survival was a single hole in the ground, and Igneel was hiding in like some lava place, so can't really say Zeref is staying in one single place.

there is difference between a hole in the ground waiting for people to release him and a flying around as a black dragon.
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Old 2010-01-14, 23:23   Link #2333
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For now, I would stick with the scenario that the Dragon cannot win against Zeref, they made the Dragon Slayers with the potential to surpass them to one day defeat Zeref once and for all.
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Old 2010-01-14, 23:40   Link #2334
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Black Dragon might be a monster created by Zeref; presuming most dragons as their DS may be mall tempered (sometimes) but not evil.
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Old 2010-01-15, 08:27   Link #2335
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zeref is still lock up
I think Zeref is in a deep slumber?
I remember Urtear mention his awakening is near


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ok scratch that, I was wrong XD
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Old 2010-01-16, 06:11   Link #2336
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Old 2010-01-16, 08:25   Link #2337
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He spoke of "this world". Wendy spotted it. Does that mean he's a slider?
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Old 2010-01-16, 11:39   Link #2338
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.....*looking intently at Sieg from 'another world'.
....nah, it's impossible.
Maybe there are also parallel worlds just like in Rave in this series as well ?

I wonder about the significance of the cats. . . I thought Natsu found Happy by chance ?
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Old 2010-01-16, 12:26   Link #2339
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He spoke of "this world". Wendy spotted it. Does that mean he's a slider?
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.....*looking intently at Sieg from 'another world'.
....nah, it's impossible.
Maybe there are also parallel worlds just like in Rave in this series as well ?

I wonder about the significance of the cats. . . I thought Natsu found Happy by chance ?
since there are a infinite number of parallel worlds there are now infinite number of geards. pretty soon a army of geards will invade fairy tail world to rescue the other geard.
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Old 2010-01-16, 12:44   Link #2340
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Godamn Gerard not only did the evil Gerard win Erza´s heart, but mistgun Gerard won Wendy´s. Poor Natsu lol, not that he had any interest in either in a romantic way.
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