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Old 2009-12-16, 10:11   Link #6921
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true
but i stand by my claim (i'm looking at more scenes from the final eps)
pretty much any engagment between black knight mooks and britannian mooks in the final battle is shown with the black knights units coming out on top and britannian units blowing up (even when its mook vs mook)

in fact, between the damocles, anya, kallen and the general mook population, britannians seem to be falling out of the sky at a rate of almost 10 to one
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Old 2009-12-16, 10:25   Link #6922
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I do not remember too much of the final battle beyond the Kallen and Suzaku fight. Still it strikes me as somewhat unfair as the Britannians in general seem to have better weaponry then the Black Knights, in terms of their grunts of course.
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Old 2009-12-16, 10:28   Link #6923
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I do not remember too much of the final battle beyond the Kallen and Suzaku fight. Still it strikes me as somewhat unfair as the Britannians in general seem to have better weaponry then the Black Knights, in terms of their grunts of course.
other then garaths, which they had in much lesser numbers, what advantage in weapons did the britannians have ?
not like the wards being shown to be better then akatsukis

and again, pretty much every combat engagement between mooks you see during the last fight (i checked) sees the black knights coming out on top
either completely wiping of the other side, or killing more then they are losing
i'm not talking about aces here
i'm talking mook vs mook
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Old 2009-12-16, 10:57   Link #6924
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The Wards and the Akatsukis were pretty much on par from my understanding, but Britannia had more in terms of fire support from the Gareths and aerial battle ships.
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Old 2009-12-16, 11:01   Link #6925
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the joke is, we dont actually see the battleships doing ANYTHING during the battle
at all
we bearly see them doing stuff normally, but during THAT fight, we dont see anything
which is funny when you consider how many of them there are
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Old 2009-12-16, 11:16   Link #6926
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Which again, is another thing I did not like -.- Why bother mounting guns on those things if you are not going to use them?
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Old 2009-12-16, 15:49   Link #6927
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Can anyone tell me what the song is that's being played at 15:15 in this video?

http://vodpod.com/watch/1708875-code...episode-23-dub
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Old 2009-12-16, 19:06   Link #6928
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Suzaku

If Suzaku had lost the conflict with Lelouch in Stage 25 of Season One, would Charles had made him a member of the Knight of the Rounds? How would his life had been if his request was denied? Would we had seen Suzaku in the research department as he was in the first season? How would it had affected his relationship with Gino and Ayna? Would we had seen him and Cecil as more than just friends? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Old 2009-12-16, 19:10   Link #6929
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Suzaku would never have been a KoR because he would have no bargaining chip. He'd stay where he is and never meet those people.
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Old 2009-12-16, 23:14   Link #6930
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Suzaku would never have been a KoR because he would have no bargaining chip. He'd stay where he is and never meet those people.
That's what I thought. So the story would have focused on him and Cecile. Thus, this might have created a different storyline.
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Old 2009-12-16, 23:56   Link #6931
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That's what I thought. So the story would have focused on him and Cecile. Thus, this might have created a different storyline.
No, the whole of R2 wouldn't be created.

If Lelouch had won, not only Suzaku would have been afffected, the whole goddamn universe and premise of R2 would be compromised. Him and Cecile are hardly the ones that should be focused in.
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Old 2009-12-17, 00:06   Link #6932
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And yet it'd still end with Zero Requiem. Oh well.
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Old 2009-12-17, 03:46   Link #6933
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And yet it'd still end with Zero Requiem. Oh well.
Not necessarily... Maybe he wouldn't have to feel so guilty if he managed to get Nunnally back and all...

But who knows.
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Old 2009-12-17, 04:01   Link #6934
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Not necessarily... Maybe he wouldn't have to feel so guilty if he managed to get Nunnally back and all...

But who knows.
Taniguchi and Okouchi had Zero Requiem planned for the ending originally, and still got to use it for the new R2. Therefore, it'd end in Zero Requiem regardless.

Oh. Well.
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Old 2009-12-17, 10:36   Link #6935
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Taniguchi and Okouchi had Zero Requiem planned for the ending originally, and still got to use it for the new R2. Therefore, it'd end in Zero Requiem regardless.

Oh. Well.
I was refering to the option of Taniguchi remaking Code Geass from where the original start of Stage 26 was to begin with Lelouch defeating Suzaku. This way, the Zero Requiem from Code Geass R2 would be intact because the new story would take place in an alternate universe.

The show would be Code Geass S2, which could have a different storyline from Code Geass R2. If the creators want to bring back Lelouch, this is the best way of doing that rather than continue the story from where Code Geass R2 had left off.

Since the Zero Requiem has been played, the new story could actually take its time, moving forward, to develop into an epic saga. The minor characters, like Tohduh(the Japan Liberation Front),Charles(The Holy Britannian Empire), and V.V.(The Geass Cult)could have a bigger role in the story. The format of Season One could be restored this way.

The new storyline could expand to 2 additional seasons.

But this is just my opinion.
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Old 2009-12-17, 10:46   Link #6936
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the whole point of zero-requiem was to PREVENT a situation where lelouch is a the greatest karma hudini in the show
take that away with a "new ending" and you kinda erase the whole POINT of zero-requiem even if you make it an alternate universe version
because lelouch STILL gets away with everything he did in season 1
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Old 2009-12-17, 11:04   Link #6937
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Well what if Lelouch had gotten away with it?

Now would it have changed many people's impression of the series? I'm not sure there would be anywhere near an uproar in the fandom if Lelouch had gotten the "good ending" since half of it wishes he were still alive anyway.

Sometimes the assholes win, and the people cheer for it.
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Old 2009-12-17, 15:11   Link #6938
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I'm one of those who cheers when the bad guy wins. This isn't because I'm evil or anything like that. It's more because I think that there is no black and white, good and evil in the world. Bad guys usually are just misunderstood, and if well written they have complex and valid reasons for their evil ways...

I mean, just look at Lelouch, he is a bad guy and yet people worship him even now.
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Old 2009-12-17, 16:19   Link #6939
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the whole point of zero-requiem was to PREVENT a situation where lelouch is a the greatest karma hudini in the show
take that away with a "new ending" and you kinda erase the whole POINT of zero-requiem even if you make it an alternate universe version
because lelouch STILL gets away with everything he did in season 1
Rather it ended up as him becoming the fall guy for other Karma Houdinis in a manner of speaking.
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Old 2009-12-17, 19:46   Link #6940
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what the hell is a karma Houdini?
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