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Old 2007-02-05, 00:41   Link #1021
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Even though Lotti and the other Pilots are not evil themselvs, they are soldiers in an army witch have done some very bad things... therefore they are not the "good" guys.
True, but those bad things were done long before any of the current cast were even born. Emily was still around because she was stashed in the deep-freeze on Grabella, but I don't see any indication that the Union was still in the live alien experimentation business.

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I have only seen episode 11 Raw and my understanding is not so great, but I recall that the scientists would very much like to investigate further about "instant" commication. When Sara agreed to "dive" with the Emily they did not tell the whole truth.
Not sure about that. When Melchisedec started talking about the possibilities for communication devices, Sara reminded him about the price the Emilies had paid and he shut up.

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Futhermore they are on a training wessel not a scientific base would it not be better to wait until experts could be assembled?
Yeah, but we're talking about Melchisedec here. He clearly believes he's the greatest expert on Strains in the universe. (The thing is, looking at the job he did making RAM-DASS out of junk parts, it's not clear that he's wrong about that...)

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Both Sara and MIMIC Emely should be consideret as living persons, they started investigating the minic even though it was clearly alive and not what they expected. The work ethic seems to be lacking... the above is my opinon but it may be wrong.
Certainly their little experiment would be unlikely to pass an ethics board. On the other hand, Sara did agree to it, or at least went along without anyone putting a gun to her head. Nobody bothered to ask MIMIC Emily for her consent, but then it's difficult to see how they could obtain that without Sara linking with her anyway.
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Old 2007-02-05, 06:46   Link #1022
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A though: what about the human MIMICs, as used by the other reasoners are they also a "full" brain and are they aware? (alive) It is previus stated that they shuld be "considered twins" Nice people !!Maimed, blind, the only contact with the outside the link with the "real twin" a real good life!!
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Old 2007-02-05, 17:50   Link #1023
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^I think in the 1st episode they explained that human mimics where created with the pilots' brain cells when they're into in the womb. So its not really living...maybe @.@

Apparently only brain cells at that stage can be used since the mimic can't be replaced if broken, so the pilots should treat their mimics as their twins.
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Old 2007-02-05, 17:55   Link #1024
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^I think in the 1st episode they explained that human mimics where created with the pilots' brain cells when they're into in the womb. So its not really living...maybe @.@

Apparently only brain cells at that stage can be used since the mimic can't be replaced if broken, so the pilots should treat their mimics as their twins.
Thats pretty much right Valcion Which why pilots are so distraught if their mimics are destroyed, it means they can never be a Strain pilot again. Since the process in creating the Mimics can only be done while still in the womb


Just wanted to say its great to see over a thousand post in the Strain thread
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Old 2007-02-05, 18:49   Link #1025
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Yes this is a good show, allthough there are some realy creepy things going on, and I for one am not so sure who the " good" guys are. union in the beginning looked as the all over good guys but now....
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Old 2007-02-05, 19:11   Link #1026
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Yes this is a good show, allthough there are some realy creepy things going on, and I for one am not so sure who the " good" guys are. union in the beginning looked as the all over good guys but now....
Well, after learning from Sara how the MIMIC technology was developed, and if they survive the last battle in episode 12, Glaiven and the other high officials from the Libertad may want to consider requesting their resign from military services.

Or requesting a warrant for arrest and trial against the higher-up authorities for holding the truth from them.
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Old 2007-02-05, 23:12   Link #1027
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Well, after learning from Sara how the MIMIC technology was developed, and if they survive the last battle in episode 12, Glaiven and the other high officials from the Libertad may want to consider requesting their resign from military services.

Or requesting a warrant for arrest and trial against the higher-up authorities for holding the truth from them.
Or they could consider defecting as the union higher ups could order thier arrest and excution for treason once they realize the libertad found out the truth.
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Old 2007-02-06, 13:26   Link #1028
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For the Union "bad guys"...

Where there is Light, there is also Darkness.

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Old 2007-02-06, 20:55   Link #1029
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I would like to know: who are the Union and who are the Deague, how long have they been fighting, and why are they fighting? I don't think any of those questions have been addressed at all in this show. Maybe they haven't mattered up to now, since the show is really about a small group of protagonists, but now perhaps they begin to matter.
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Old 2007-02-06, 21:06   Link #1030
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I would like to know: who are the Union and who are the Deague, how long have they been fighting, and why are they fighting? I don't think any of those questions have been addressed at all in this show. Maybe they haven't mattered up to now, since the show is really about a small group of protagonists, but now perhaps they begin to matter.
The show at the start borrowed elements from the book A Little Princess but oriented to a sci-fi, drama story.

The show deals about Sara Werec's tribulations and sense of self-isolation as she struggles to confront her brother, Ralph Werec, on the opposite of the battlefield.
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The show never addresses with depth what were the causes that provoked the split movement of the human race into Deague and Union and nor it focuses on the overall context of the war.

The war between Union and Deague has been waged for countless centuries and no exact origin has been referenced as to when it started.

The only thing I know is that the Union and Deague are in a race attempt to develop the most advanced technologies to decimate the other.

The war is just there to remind viewers about the dark spectrum of human nature. Humans fight their fellow neighbors to the end for any number of reasons: survival, fear, hatred, coveting of their possessions, etc.

It doesn't matter at the end, because the storyline is addressed mainly upon Sara, Emily, and Ralph.

It's like if you watch Saikano, and also ask who caused the war, why are they fighting, for how long has the war been waged. But Saikano's true theme is about the budding, love story of a couple who is caught amidst the calamities of a world war crisis that has swept the planet, and to make matters freakier, the town where the story takes place is isolated from the rest of the world, and worse the girlfriend was made into th ultimate war weapon to deal with the invaders.
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Old 2007-02-07, 00:34   Link #1031
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how long have they been fighting, and why are they fighting?
This two questions has its answer in Episode 1. They are fighting over 10 or was it 100? Years now, and they forgotten the reason why.

(The Scene in the School, after the Pactrice run)

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Old 2007-02-07, 13:17   Link #1032
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Just watched 12.

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Old 2007-02-07, 15:34   Link #1033
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Old 2007-02-07, 15:58   Link #1034
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Old 2007-02-08, 12:39   Link #1035
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Old 2007-02-08, 14:56   Link #1036
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Old 2007-02-08, 15:31   Link #1037
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This episode is how writers put loads of effort and steam to build a proper climax with a bang.

The action was superb and top notch, and I just could not believe that everything went fast on a blink of an eye, however, I do feel both full and happy on how the twelfth episode unfold.

The use of the soundtrack became an essential ingredient to heighten those very stressful and poignant scenes where you could claim that a loss was inminent or a give away. The two most powerful scenes with the suspense tracks involved Sara and Ralph's confrontations:
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I was able to actually understand several of the conversations despite the language barrier.

And these episode reminded me dearly of the glory of Vandread.
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I say that Omniscient is right that no death toll happened, at least not to the main cast of characters, but several members of the crew (the fodder characters) either became mincemeat by the Tumors or on a bad timing were caught on during the explosions or falling debris.
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Can we assume that Ralph's is totally lost in the dark side? or there's any hope of redemption?
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Old 2007-02-08, 16:44   Link #1038
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Old 2007-02-08, 18:29   Link #1039
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Man, those tumors are cool!
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I hope the next episode's battle is glorious, whatever happens!
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