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Old 2007-04-10, 17:11   Link #701
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and I think you really have to be familiar with the foods they are talking about
I don't think so at all. Sure knowing them might help enjoy the scene, but not knowing isn't a handicap.

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and also prepared for this relaxed form of humor.
Well yeah, thats what the manga is known for. I just hope the anime can reach the level of relax the manga has gave me. They have 23 more episodes, so it should happen.

As for the talk on music --- what was used worked perfect, though its not really that hard to create the fitting music for something like Lucky Star. From relax, to hyper --- they've done a great job with it for episode one.
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Old 2007-04-10, 17:34   Link #702
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hahaha

Found the reference
It's from the old anime 怪物くん (remake ver). YouTube, but I like this version better
Wow.. that is a truly a good find. I used to watch Kaibutsu-kun as a child along with Urusei Yatsura on TV, and it brings back memories. It has been a long time so there is no way I could have remembered it without your help or googling it.

As you can see from Kaibutsu-kun 80's version ED, Franken loves saying "funga-"; Dracula "zamasu"; and Ookami-otoko loved saying "gansu". I have more respect for Lucky Star now.
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Old 2007-04-10, 19:18   Link #703
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As for the talk on music --- what was used worked perfect, though its not really that hard to create the fitting music for something like Lucky Star. From relax, to hyper --- they've done a great job with it for episode one.
Oh, there's no arguing that it was appropriate music! It was, indeed, very appropriate.

It was just awful.
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Old 2007-04-10, 19:38   Link #704
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At first I thought it was a matter of style--not one that I necessarily thought was appropriate, but a choice. However, at other times they do go for "gag" timing... and do it poorly. The seiyuu seem like they're rushing through their lines when they do, and it doesn't "feel" quite right. Combine that with the abrupt scene changes... some of which are used for good effect, like switching to Miyuki's explanation of the cold and influenza and the girls exiting the room from their physical, and some of which are just jarring and confusing, like switching from the conversation with Kotona pointing out Miyuki's "moeness" to the scene where Kotona notices Miyuki in front of the clinic. Observing all of that, I concluded that it was poor timing rather than style.
That's why I say it's a faithful adaptation. The manga is pretty much exactly what you see here, a bunch of random daily life topics presented in no particular order. Lucky Star has always been a "page filler" type of manga on the magazines it serialized on: you see it here and there in between other mangas, they may share a loose common theme but no coherent story on their own.

You could say it's like an even less structured Azumanga, I guess.
Oh the other hand, the otaku and moe content is quite high, which means otakus will love this, while others will struggle.
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Old 2007-04-10, 19:54   Link #705
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At first I thought it was a matter of style--not one that I necessarily thought was appropriate, but a choice. However, at other times they do go for "gag" timing... and do it poorly. The seiyuu seem like they're rushing through their lines when they do, and it doesn't "feel" quite right. Combine that with the abrupt scene changes... some of which are used for good effect, like switching to Miyuki's explanation of the cold and influenza and the girls exiting the room from their physical, and some of which are just jarring and confusing, like switching from the conversation with Kotona pointing out Miyuki's "moeness" to the scene where Kotona notices Miyuki in front of the clinic. Observing all of that, I concluded that it was poor timing rather than style.
Just a thought: what you are percieving as "poor" timing is just a matter of cultural differences, I think. The timing and pace of Japanese humour, whether manzai, or most others, just doesn't fit with what we're used to in the West. You are judging it based on your cultural expectations, and that's not wrong, but keep in mind that it's not going to match up with your expectations.

Personally, I've always struggled to see what was funny in Japanese comic routines, although it's usually easier in movies and anime. Just...not always. Heck, there were plenty of times in Aaumanga that I just didn't see what was supposed to be funny...it's just that the characters had won me over by then, so I didn't care.
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Old 2007-04-10, 20:28   Link #706
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Man, I'm griping a lot for a series that I'm enjoying so far.
You know what, that's not anything to be worried about. It keeps you on your toes to see where room for improvement can be made, and makes it all the more satisfying when improvement does happen. It also makes you appreciate other series where they have gotten a certain thing right that the one you are watching didn't all the more. Nothing about anything is perfect, there are always going to be some flaws, but its still very much possible to enjoy a show despite any flaws it may have. If that weren't the case than shows like Gakuen Utopia Manabi Straight or Gaogaigar would have no fans at all.
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Old 2007-04-10, 20:47   Link #707
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I've got the SFS srt avi file and there are no subs when I play the video. Special codec needed?
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Old 2007-04-10, 20:54   Link #708
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I've got the SFS srt avi file and there are no subs when I play the video. Special codec needed?
Nope, just make sure that the subs file and the video file have the same name. And are in the same directory.

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Old 2007-04-10, 21:13   Link #709
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Oh, there's no arguing that it was appropriate music! It was, indeed, very appropriate.

It was just awful.
When did i say it was a argue? & yeah, its all down to personal tastes at the end of the day.
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While we're on the topic of music and catchy openings. Anyone here ever see the opening song and dance routine for Kodoma No Omocha Opening 2. It's even more random and cutesy than this ones. I'm thinking Kyoto Animation took a bit of a cue from this style in doing their original openings. Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t01APeDJpq0 . Everybody in the world is Dancin man!

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Old 2007-04-10, 21:41   Link #711
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Interesting... the model for the school is an actual school: 春日部共栄高等学校 (and no, they say 春日 is NOT supposed to be read as Haruhi 春日部 is suppsed to be kasukabe). If you look at the school's website, it does look the same as the one in Lucky Star.

Also, I didn't see it before, but it's in the ending credits, too. Around the 26:13 mark in SOS-dan raws.
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Old 2007-04-10, 22:06   Link #712
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Interesting... the model for the school is an actual school: 春日部共栄高等学校 (and no, they say 春日 is NOT supposed to be read as Haruhi 春日部 is suppsed to be kasukabe). If you look at the school's website, it does look the same as the one in Lucky Star. Also, I didn't see it before, but it's in the ending credits, too. Around the 26:13 mark in SOS-dan raws.
Lol. Now I know why the police car in the OP said "Saitama Police," since the school is in Kasukabe city, Saitama prefecture (just north of Tokyo).

And if you feed the school's address:
埼玉県春日部市上大増新田213番地
into maps.google.com, you can drill down in the satellite map for a great view of our stage. With cars in the parking lot, lol.
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Old 2007-04-10, 22:11   Link #713
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While we're on the topic of music and catchy openings. Anyone here ever see the opening song and dance routine for Kodoma No Omocha Opening 2. It's even more random and cutesy than this ones. I'm thinking Kyoto Animation took a bit of a cue from this style in doing their original openings. Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t01APeDJpq0 . Everybody in the world is Dancin man!
Funny little intro for sure.

Never heard about this show until now. <- (this is hardly rare, considering how few anime I actually watch)
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Interesting... the model for the school is an actual school: 春日部共栄高等学校 (and no, they say 春日 is NOT supposed to be read as Haruhi 春日部 is suppsed to be kasukabe). If you look at the school's website, it does look the same as the one in Lucky Star.

Also, I didn't see it before, but it's in the ending credits, too. Around the 26:13 mark in SOS-dan raws.
It's the school that Yoshimizu Kagami-sensei (Lucky Star's mangaka) graduated from, that's why.
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Old 2007-04-10, 23:10   Link #715
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Random thoughts:
  • I'm just loving LS color scheme for the characters; its almost hypnotic.

  • And what do you guys think was Yoshimizu Kagami's reaction when he was shown the OP? I can picture him crying manly tears .
Sushi-Y: Where did you got that avatar? Looks great. Very nicely done.
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Old 2007-04-10, 23:47   Link #716
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That's why I say it's a faithful adaptation. The manga is pretty much exactly what you see here, a bunch of random daily life topics presented in no particular order. Lucky Star has always been a "page filler" type of manga on the magazines it serialized on: you see it here and there in between other mangas, they may share a loose common theme but no coherent story on their own.

You could say it's like an even less structured Azumanga, I guess.
Oh the other hand, the otaku and moe content is quite high, which means otakus will love this, while others will struggle.
It's not the type of content so much as the technical timing. I'm actually enjoying the manga, and I felt that the technical timing spoiled some of the better jokes.

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Just a thought: what you are percieving as "poor" timing is just a matter of cultural differences, I think. The timing and pace of Japanese humour, whether manzai, or most others, just doesn't fit with what we're used to in the West. You are judging it based on your cultural expectations, and that's not wrong, but keep in mind that it's not going to match up with your expectations.

Personally, I've always struggled to see what was funny in Japanese comic routines, although it's usually easier in movies and anime. Just...not always. Heck, there were plenty of times in Aaumanga that I just didn't see what was supposed to be funny...it's just that the characters had won me over by then, so I didn't care.
That's a very good proposal, and I think this is true of a LOT of people. I'm not so sure it's true of me, though.
I tend to "get" a lot more Japanese shows, and I believe part of that is because I've been watching so much of it since I was a child. And not just catching dubbed shows on Saturday morning television in the US, but original-language Japanese programming, and a lot of it. That probably contributes to my extreme distaste for most dubs, with the exception of those that have more "western style" presentation and dialogue timing that I can stomach watching in English (Kiki's Delivery Service--aside from the voice for Gigi--and Gundam Wing being two examples).
Despite my lifetime of exposure to nearly as much Japanese media as American, I'm still learning tons about the culture, and only now learning the language to any usable degree, so I certainly don't claim to be a cultural expert. However, I can be brought to tears of laughter from a cheesy manzai routine while my friends stand dumbfounded, so I'd say I've leaped the culture gap for interpreting the technical timing of comedy.

That actually alienates me somewhat from American fans. Just like I was mentioning that may people, even fans, didn't "get" Haruhi because they didn't catch so many of the subtle culture (including pop-culture) points, many take away completely different impressions of a series that we all may like. To be the only one laughing--or the only one NOT laughing--is a pretty awkward feeling. And the discussions afterward can make me the odd man out, too.
It's my hope that the continued invasion of Japanese media, ESPECIALLY undubbed, will change those sorts of situations. I'm prepared, though, that my future trips to Japan may make me the odd-man out again for being too Western-minded instead of too Eastern-minded.

I'm rambling... Back on topic: I expect the content of the next episode will be very, very similar, but I think that we'll see improved timing. Unfortunately, I think that even if it does improve and I get to say "I told you so" to many, that I'll be at a loss as to explain the differences so that I can successfully "tell them so".

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When did i say it was a argue? & yeah, its all down to personal tastes at the end of the day.
No, I wasn't implying that it was an argument, I was just stating that I agreed with your point that the music was appropriate, but I hadn't said it wasn't. My criticism wasn't the appropriateness of the music, but just the quality of it. That synth horn sounds EXACTLY like an eight-key toy synth I had as a child two decades ago. No joking. It sounded awful.

I really wonder if this first episode was rushed, done "early", or if the planning process was different for it than previous KyoAni productions. It may be as simple as some different staff members in particular positions. Watching the progression from this episode to later episodes will be very interesting for me. Azumanga Daioh, for example, improved its pacing by leaps and bounds. Aria's animation subtly became smoother over its run. Haruhi and Kanon surprised me, though, by having continuous style in most aspects from beginning to end (with the exceptions of the Live a Live episode in Haruhi and the episode containing the final battle in Nayuki's arc).
So, like a good nerd, I'm waiting with eager curiosity.

...I think I'm becoming one of those posters.
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Wow... Why did SF-S make their karaoke fonts so hard to read?

My eyes hurt.
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Old 2007-04-11, 01:12   Link #719
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I think SF is testing out their karaoke timing and us fans are the QCer

I just put the whole thing on play... talk about MOE explosion.
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Old 2007-04-11, 01:39   Link #720
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Still waiting for the second episodes... Its going to be great...

Also made myself a siggy for Lucky Star and a new release coming soon... ^_^
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