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Old 2007-04-20, 03:23   Link #1481
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I think I saw dozens of "take the characters (like from Nanoha) and have them in a line shaking their fingers and wiggling their hips" and I'm not even sure what the hell show *that* was supposed to be riffing from.

"change getter" ... several people picked up on it (though I think mostly over on the MT forum). Its pretty clear that Kona has special reverence for the "classics" and that no one around her has any idea what she is talking about half the time. Come on, Kaoshin, you ought to relate very strongly to Konata
I think the Nanoha thing you are talking about is that Galaxy Angel thing from the opening that people have to superimpose the characters for every popular show over before they can do anything else art related. It's one of the two rules of the anime universe, the other being the Hare Hare Yukai played over the opening thing and people claiming how well it fits. It's been done many many many many times and I'm still not sure why people are still doing it or why its funny. It's the cyclical nature of it all that starts to wear on you after a while as people react as if the first time they've seen it (well perhaps for some people it is, but the more it goes on the more I doubt it).

For something less angry and upset, yes Kona-Chan is the kind of girl I wouldn't mind having as a younger sister. Somebody to play games with, talk about shows with and to generally have fun with. I am all those things though as you said, especially the nobody knows what I'm talking about half the time, although that's because I'm always making vague references to things in conversations in place of actual straightforward discussion. I leave it to other people to figure out what I'm getting at since regular conversations can be kind of dull. Gotta spice things up.

@Skane: Did I really go berserk over an HHY reference.....really..... I don't remember that to be completely honest. I'm starting to see some bad things on the rise though. I owe an apology if that's the case as that doesn't seem like it would be fair at all.

Still, the show appears to be fast going from its Otaku comedy roots into the realm of fulfilling the wishes of the companies fanbase, as my internal alarm tells me. Though perhaps this is an early play of the companies trump card (the remember what we did last summer one) since they probably figured people would be react coldly to the first episode, and thats it for quite a while regarding the Haruhi references, but the fact it worked so damn well has me picturing rewrites to include more and more Haruhi related material further into the show. I should also mention I almost always forsee a worst case scenario in a lot of things so that goes a long way to explaining this prediction. If I were to be rated on a pessimism scale from 1 being pessimistic to 10 being optomistic, I would probably be a 1.3 or something, I admit it.

I really just want this to be Lucky Star and for it to not have to share the stage with the ghosts of Kyoto Animations past. That would ruin the show completely for me, and right now I'm quite enjoying it for what it is. I would be ecstatic to see it succeed on its own without any frequent boosts from references to Haruhi, Kanon, Key and what not.

Can I.... er use that picture by any chance?

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Old 2007-04-20, 03:52   Link #1482
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I'll tend to agree with that... I love the manga for what it is. I really would rather they not wrap it up into some great rolling ball of (what is that silly game where you roll the world up?).

I don't mind the Konata references to fandom stuff ... that's her schtick after all. I'd really rather their dialog or actions stay focused on the manga and not "product placement". So far they've actually done that (and reserved any such stuff for Lucky*Channel). KyoAni is actually pretty good at doing the material (Haruhi has the most "in jokes" I think - Kanon was pretty religious to the game source *mostly*).

Off to bed.... I've got a bunch of errands tomorrow. (heh, someone cookied me for being brave about posting pics of wife and I.... frankly I've left enough clues across the Net that someone who really wanted to find me could anyway)
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Old 2007-04-20, 03:57   Link #1483
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Old 2007-04-20, 04:01   Link #1484
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So absolutely nobody got the blatantly obvious "Change Getter" one eh. That makes me quite sad actually. At least I can hold the claim that I got a joke that nobody else got, but in turn that also makes me a bit of a supernerd otaku. Oh well.....I guess the older the show referenced the less likely it is to be picked up on. I suppose I'll play the old man role, you know the guy who knows how "things were in my days" and always wants to talk about them. That is if I haven't been disowned for being the commercialism nazi. I am already shaping up to be a cranky bitter old man the way things are going for me.
Too bad, I got the joke too. In fact across various anime forums, most people who got the joke don't bother to mention it, precisely because it was too obvious.

But don't worry, Kaioshin_Onesama, you can still play the eternal role of the person who believe KyoAni is evil and attempting world domination through corrupting moe and secret subliminal messages. Chances are they have sinister giant robot monsters in their basement too.
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Old 2007-04-20, 04:04   Link #1485
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haha... actually scanned some pics in just now.... I'll give this forum first shot at it. Okay.. these are just thumbnails of a loli-tsundere-wife just to show they exist. Skip if you want:
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Lucky [insert foul, vulgar, family unfriendly, and utterly unrepeatable word here].

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It's mostly that now I get to hear about what a great idea for an ad-campaign this was for the entirety of the weekend across the internet, knowing that all it is is a still picture with the characters made to look like Lucky Star characters with no logical context for it being so. It's just...ugh, I'm just kind of tired of the whole drama over this company and the silliness that goes into discussing everything they do as if their methods are somehow infinintely cleverer than others who would, have and are doing the same thing. It's an endless cycle. I almost wonder why they even bother to challenge themselves as they clearly don't even need to. Neg rep me if you want people, but this is a strong view that I hold and I stand by it. Nobody has to agree with it and I don't expect anybody to either, because this is kind of a specific personal gripe.

I know they aren't the only ones who would use techniques like this, because Sunrise did it a while back with a Bandai Toy Camera that had nothing to do with Gundam's, but involved Zaku's advertising it. I also know that in this case they aren't really involved as its a Comptiq thing. An American example would be the use of small animals or small children in commericals completely unrelated animal or dog related products in order to illicit the "awwwwwwww"factor. My gripe here is that to my knowledge they are the only animation company that is ever praised exstensively for ads they are directly or indirectly involved in and why is that? I know why, but I also don't really understand why. It's just one of those bizarre pet peeves of mine that is hard to explain, and I have others outside of anime as well.

So that's that for my pointless social sciences and economics lecture. Believe me I am trying to lighten up, but its becoming one of those two steps, (right-left-right-left) forward 1.5 and half steps back (right-left-right) deals.
You know, I'm starting to think that it's not so much that Kaioshin-chan is specifically an anti-KyoAni-ist, per se......I'm getting the feeling that she's just a natural-born anarchist. Simply put, it doesn't have to be KyoAni; just put anything remotely mainstream-popular in front of her, and she'll have a go at it.

I wonder if Kaioshin-chan will turn on Sunrise if it ever gains anywhere near the amount of popularity KyoAni apparently is getting. It'll be tres amusing to watch her go at it.

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Old 2007-04-20, 04:04   Link #1486
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I don't think we'll be going down the road of self parody here, but I expect references like Haruhi to pop up enough. I think it's balanced by other satire pokes like the street fighter scene and the tekken scene (I found it humorous the men played females and she played a guy). I wouldn't worry too much.

Edit: Someone already mentioned what game it was to Vexx. Also, what I meant by self parody is that while it is an obvious poke at the geek/otaku/whatever cultures, I don't think the show will turn into a giant Kyoani self parody, but since it is a Kyoani work I expect some amount of that.
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Old 2007-04-20, 04:17   Link #1487
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Lucky [insert foul, vulgar, family unfriendly, and utterly unrepeatable word here].



You know, I'm starting to think that it's not so much that Kaioshin-chan is specifically an anti-KyoAni-ist, per se......I'm getting the feeling that she's just a natural-born anarchist. Simply put, it doesn't have to be KyoAni; just put anything remotely mainstream-popular in front of her, and she'll have a go at it.

I wonder if Kaioshin-chan will turn on Sunrise if it ever gains anywhere near the amount of popularity KyoAni apparently is getting. It'll be tres amusing to watch her go at it.
I already have a few issues with the abundance of C.C in lieu of other characters who are just as important if that's what you mean. I am also a male not a female. You can call me Kaioshin-Chan if you absolutely must, but I ask that you please don't call me her, she or any other female connotation.
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Old 2007-04-20, 04:18   Link #1488
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(I found it humorous the men played females and she played a guy).
It is sort of true. Most of the casual male fighting game players tend to go with the chicks (if it is not for the shotos first). The few female ones are going for the male (but usually for the pretty boys).
But thinking of Konata's gaming skills, she have gone for the character type that have the high risk, high reward factor in him, the Big Bad Grappler.

I am personally more into chargies, rushdowners, and some grapplers for the fun.
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Old 2007-04-20, 04:20   Link #1489
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AH, the whole "Burning Arisa" and other pics for Nanoha were a play on Galaxy Angel?
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Old 2007-04-20, 04:23   Link #1490
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Yup, I'm the same way as Konata actually. Most of my character choices are female and I tend to pick the ones that have high risk/reward styles. Usually the only time I'll play a guy is when there is no female choice or the choice doesn't work with my playstyle. But I grumble about it! Looking at her style she likes to take advantage of people who go for the dive/charge kind of moves, so the Grappler makes alot of sense.
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Old 2007-04-20, 04:30   Link #1491
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It is sort of true. Most of the casual male fighting game players tend to go with the chicks (if it is not for the shotos first). The few female ones are going for the male (but usually for the pretty boys).
But thinking of Konata's gaming skills, she have gone for the character type that have the high risk, high reward factor in him, the Big Bad Grappler.

I am personally more into chargies, rushdowners, and some grapplers for the fun.
I go with the loli character actually. In Street Fighter I am a Sakura player, in Guilty Gear I am a May player as well as a bit of Dizzy and Jam Kurodoberi and in King of Fighters my team is composed of Captain Kula Diamond, Second Athena Asamiya, Third Hinako Shijou and Fourth Yuri Sakazaki and sometimes swap one out for Malin or May Lee (Who I always seem to get when I randomize somethimes. I wouldn't say I'm any kind of a normal fighting game player though. I'm also interested in checking out the Beart Sisters and Lilly Kane among others in the latest KOF games. Here's to hoping they add Rose Bernstein into a future game.

I also retract my earlier statement that Kyoto Animation is the only company praised for out of context ads. See Code Geass for the reason why.

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Old 2007-04-20, 04:55   Link #1492
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I am also a male not a female. You can call me Kaioshin-Chan if you absolutely must, but I ask that you please don't call me her, she or any other female connotation.
Sorry, but I can't do that.

Envisioning you as a loudmouth Tsundere female is the only thing that prevent me from going berserk and swear at you for being a lunatic, probably involving typing in all CAPS and using multiple coloured fonts and symb@1s. A flame war will start and I would get banned. Not pretty.

Yes, you do annoy me that much. And yes, it is sexist that I can tolerate this from a female, but not from a male. That's why "psycho" exists as a female moe-mode.
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Back on topic, another anime-board I frequent had pointed out that Kona-chan did not change her shirt through out the entire Golden Week holiday while playing MMO. That's four days without showering. Further, she was still wearing that shirt when she visited Tsukasa's house. Seriously, at least change clothes if you are visiting your friend...

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I also retract my earlier statement that Kyoto Animation is the only company praised for out of context ads. See Code Geass for the reason why.
Actually, Pizza Hut only payed for a small amount of advertising space on Code Geass. Sunrise was just having too much fun and decided to add more pizza references for the humour effect. The PizzaHut representative was shocked when he saw an actual PizzaHut delivery scooter appearing in the show... This wasn't done out of greed, but out of "hell, let's see how crazy we can get!".
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Old 2007-04-20, 05:03   Link #1493
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The following is based on [a.f.k.]'s fansub.

Random Thoughts on Ep02:
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  • Lots of choice Kagami moments. She is the "straight man" in this comedy routine, and her punchlines are often a killer. Best one in this episode was probably, "That's just wrong" after seeing Konata's test result.
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  • When that man skulked away from the girls in the arcade, the following phrase came to mind.

    "A Man's Pride"
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  • The part about "May Sickness" flew over my head. I understood what they were saying, but it wasn't clicking with me. Oh well, hit and miss as they say.
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  • I can relate with the dentist discussion as my visits to the dentist are never happy ones. The drill is bad enough, but when the pick comes out... hoo boy.
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  • Points for self-referential humour with regards to the issue of the cast-change between the Drama CD and the anime.
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  • Despite "winning" the face-staring contest, the joke ended up being on Konata.
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  • Envy in the Lucky Channel. I also wonder whether they are trying to make a point out of the exploitation of children in idol contests. It's unnerving to see people using their children to gain fame when those kids barely just started walking.
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  • Best part of Lucky Channel has to be, "What was that?" Even taken out of context, it is still funny due to the efforts of the VA and the animation used to convey the scene.
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  • What was up with the deep voice in the preview?
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Old 2007-04-20, 05:44   Link #1494
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Sorry, but I can't do that.
To put in a different perspective of arguments, I can never get why some people seem to fawn over tsundere properties in females, but gives tsundere guys the asshole treatment. I don't believe in gender bias, but the outright proportion is scary in a sense. I don't think there's a single fan who likes the main guy of Hot Gimmick to give a tasteless example (( one of the worst males tsunderes )).

Anyway, episode 2 was good even if I think the flow or structure could be improved. Some parts felt decently flowed and connected, and some parts don't. Now if only they could get rid of the annoying Lucky Channel...That stint is starting to irritate me already.
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To put in a different perspective of arguments, I can never get why some people seem to fawn over tsundere properties in females, but gives tsundere guys the asshole treatment. I don't believe in gender bias, but the outright proportion is scary in a sense. I don't think there's a single fan who likes the main guy of Hot Gimmick to give a tasteless example (( one of the worst males tsunderes )).
I think it has something to do with society's perceived gender roles. Females are seen more as empathic and emotional while men are seen as direct and more focused emotionally.

With female tsunderes the two different states kind of act as a foil for each other, making both tsun and dere more valued and contrasted. Or maybe it's "the more you can't have it (like the one of the sides), the more you want it." Hell, maybe men are just more masochistic in their relationships with females, and would prefer females better for the pain. :P

"Men are more direct" way of seeing things could show male tsunderes in a way that gives superfluous, overexaggerated, or fake feeling to their actions. Maybe give off an untrustworthy or out-of-character feel of a character. A strange thought: because male tsunderes aren't well defined and more rare, it's harder to accept them?

About the ep, however, I can totally relate to Konata's slacking off as I type this post, simply because I have a huge exam in 11 hours, and I haven't slept for 20. I should be studying for said exam right now, but here I am, typing posts at 4 in the morning. Maybe I can pull a Konata and get my 89% I loved the Taiko drum thing, but what they should have done is animated the girls actually playing the drum game with Konata being super good like the Youtube fella and animated it at super fast speeds. They sure as heck ain't using their full potential anytime soon, might as well slip some of it in, right?
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Old 2007-04-20, 06:52   Link #1496
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Lucky Star now has it's own forum.

This thread will become the "generic" thread to cover topics not suitable for the existing threads in the forum

Please check the existing threads (and request any if they don't exist) and continue your discussion in the new threads. Thanks.

P.S. It may be possible to move some of the recent posts (from the last few hours) from this thread into one of the specific new threads, so let me know (by PM) if you want such a post moved.
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Old 2007-04-20, 07:03   Link #1497
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Wow! Lucky Star must be really popular if it got its own section
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Wow! Lucky Star must be really popular if it got its own section
Says Cyz in post number 1499 The fansubs are also getting large numbers of downloads (for a non-shounen series at that).
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Old 2007-04-20, 07:42   Link #1499
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yeah! finally a section on lucky star!
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With a new section, expect the One-Man Crusade (with capital letters) against the evils of moe-ism of Kyo-Ani from a certain self-styled Kyo-Ani critic to intensify.
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