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Old 2007-05-22, 04:32   Link #1841
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Nah, you're not that bad. If I may use an analogy, you are the door-to-door Jehovah Witness, while that blogger you linked to is a Television Evangelist.

The fatal mistake he made was assuming that everybody who enjoys Lucky Star thinks the same. Once a person starts generalising, his credibility starts to fall apart.

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Honestly, I've got to say, I'm glad Lucky Star exists, because it's the perfect time for it to exist (With a mix of genres this season, both in terms of the types of shows airing and within the confines of some of those shows themselves) and it's the perfect show to calm some of the tensions that exist between different groups of anime fans with its everything or nothing, in your face yet subtle approach. It stands somewhere in the middle, the perfect olive branch/bridge series that everybody can get interested in if they are willing to try.

The type of series that will have the Kyoto Animation/Moe Hater's saying "Hey they aren't so bad, they even make fun of themselves and moe fans" and the Kyoto Animation/Moe Fans saying "Hey, they aren't so great, they just do what the fan's want, they don't have the high moral standards I thought they did, but they have a fun series here". The other series airing this season can then take care of the mirror side of the equation. For things to work though, everybody and every show needs to do their part. It can't be done by any One person, Bloc, or Studio alone.

Then these two groups can finally come together in the space between the two extremes and my dream will finally be realized. I hope it happens and I cross my fingers. We're staring directly at the gate's of a second golden age of anime for both the medium and the fandom, if only people are willing to turn the handle and open the door.
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Old 2007-05-22, 04:35   Link #1842
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Wow. I have to say I'm sorry I ever followed that link. I didn't check to see if the bloggers previous comments were similar but it seemed like a cheap way of getting comments. Won't be returning to that site in a hurry.
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Old 2007-05-22, 08:14   Link #1843
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I Rotfl @ that link.

Spoiler for no spoilers, just OT:

And in the last half of his 'review', with it just ranting how people can like Lucky Star, all it did was prove one thing: he's just another person who can't grasp the idea that (gasp!) people have varying tastes.

I think I'll leave LS in my best or second best anime of the season list JUST because of that post. Even though I agree Darker than Black is better than LS. ^^;

*giggle* Oh God, what a riot that link was. XD
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Old 2007-05-22, 10:05   Link #1844
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He sounds... very young. Of the "big guns, explosions" kind of immature ... that's just so pathetic, I can't decide if he needs a hug or a thump on the head.


((wow, considering me tearing into a recent poster in another thread - that's downright diplomatic ... and I'm sorry I gave terminal71 a hit by looking))
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Old 2007-05-22, 10:36   Link #1845
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Speaking of hatred...http://terminal71.com/blog/index.php...=1&disp=single
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You know what this is, it's like I'm staring at an image of my past self in this blog post, and I'm here to comment and reflect on things.
Kaoshin Sama - No, I don't think that you and the author that blog entry are cut from the same bolt of cloth at all. I may sometimes get the impression that you are acting as a spirit-medium for either Don Quixote or Marvin the Depressed Android, but I have never once felt that you could be classified as a mouth-breathing semi-literate juvenile. It is possible to have wide differences of opinion about a great many things and still engage in a civil discourse. An ability which, unlike youself, I doubt the blog "writer" possesses in any measure.

Regarding the blog entry itself...

"Anime fans are turning into retards". Hmmmm, judging from the content of that "article" I would have to conclude that the author's conversion process has succeeded entirely too well, though he does still claim to enjoy "Philosophic storyes [sic]". The fact that my taste in entertainment varies greatly from someone who has difficulty composing a sentence fragment without including at least one misspelled profanity gives me a warm comforting glow that will stay with me for the rest of the day. If this is an example of the thought processes engendered by watching "badass" anime then I shall have to seriously consider dropping any shows of that nature I am currently following in order to avoid contamination. I passed through adolescence a long time ago. I have grown beyond the point where everything I watch must include fights, explosions, or a car chase in order to be considered worthwhile. And I don't harbor a secret fear that enjoying the presence of femininity in anything other than the crudest sexual context will sap my manly vigor and give me cooties as well.

P.S. to everyone - Wow, longest rant from me in a while. Sorry I haven't had much presence on AS of late. I'm undergoing treatment for damaged disc in my neck which puts pressure on a nerve leading to my left arm. Lots of fun - sort of like having carpal tunnel from the shoulder down to the fingertips - and not very compatible with long keyboard sessions. Plus the drugs I sometimes have to take are not designed with coherent writing ability in mind. But my doctor has finally convinced the health insurance company to let her do an MRI, so hopefully they can pinpoint the problem and fix it before too much more time goes by.
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Old 2007-05-22, 10:43   Link #1846
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Speaking of hatred...http://terminal71.com/blog/index.php...=1&disp=single

Okay while technically what he's saying appeared to be true for a while it really isnt anymore (I made a post about this there, but it isn't up yet). There are still other good shows of varying genre's this season despite the apparent push for moe, and they are getting their kudos and what not, and you know the people watching Lucky Star aren't all zombies (maybe some of the stranger ones) and it's just meant to be fun. It's funny because all those shows he's posted are as popular and highly regarded as LS right now if not moreso.

You know what this is, it's like I'm staring at an image of my past self in this blog post, and I'm here to comment and reflect on things.
It's times like this when I give thanks for the relative sanity of Animesuki forums, and at the same time make me question why I ever pick fights with "non-mainstream", yet relatively reasonable characters like you in the first place, when there's far more ridiculous things in the world out there.
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Old 2007-05-22, 10:56   Link #1847
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There's a reason I'm here instead of several other anime forums and it mostly has to do with the community response to the kind of lame thought processing exhibited at that site. Strangely enough, I enjoy most of the shows he likes AND shows from many other genres (just as I'm capable of enjoying music from more than one genre). He appears handicapped in that regard.
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Old 2007-05-22, 11:31   Link #1848
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Speaking of hatred...http://terminal71.com/blog/index.php...=1&disp=single

Okay while technically what he's saying appeared to be true for a while it really isnt anymore (I made a post about this there, but it isn't up yet). There are still other good shows of varying genre's this season despite the apparent push for moe, and they are getting their kudos and what not, and you know the people watching Lucky Star aren't all zombies (maybe some of the stranger ones) and it's just meant to be fun. It's funny because all those shows he's posted are as popular and highly regarded as LS right now if not moreso.

You know what this is, it's like I'm staring at an image of my past self in this blog post, and I'm here to comment and reflect on things.
Judging from the author's ramblings, I highly doubt he'll allow any comments that is remotely pro-Lucky Star.

Anywho, he thinks that being an anime fan for 10 years makes him an authority on anime.

/me laughs hysterically.

/me wipes tears from laughter.

If Lucky Star's popularity is giving him such a nervous breakdown, then he should quit watching anime. I mean, seriously, it's only entertainment! Sure you can have an intelligent anime series or movie, but at the end of a long stressful day from work and life, I need an anime that'll make me laugh, and a series like Lucky Star is one such anime.

Granted, I had the same "passion" as this blogger when Naruto was making its stride. I really hated that series, but at least I slugged through the first 30 episodes of the series (I reviewed it on an Internet radio show), before I knew I really hated it. This guy watched only 7 minutes of Lucky Star and proclaimed it's the "worst anime EVAR."

Well whatever, knee-jerk reactions are everywhere on the Intertubes anyway, and it'll never go away. So I say, "meh" to the blogger.

Oh man, thanks for the link man! If Lucky Star is oh so wrong in this effed-up world, then I don't want to be right!
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Old 2007-05-22, 12:19   Link #1849
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What can I say? Back in the early 1990s, I used to scorn, and I mean it, what the random /a/non would call lolipedomoé shows, I could only enjoy my anime if my episode have its mandatory fights and yells (yes the likes of Dragon Ball and Saint Seiya), later I thought I could put myself above the average anime fan by watching very wordy, vaguely philosophical anime like the Patlabor movies or Serial Experiment Lain (I still love the patlabor movies and Lain tho). Then came the likes of Kanon (2k2), and here I have come to enjoy what I would never thought, the warming feeling of looking at a female character (like Sarah Crewe in this 1980s anime) or down -to-earth relationship like in Orange Road. Someone tried to get me into Naruto, but I just couldn't stand it, it doesn't have the same well crafted fights of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, it doesn't have the same vibes of awesome that Saint Seiya or Yuyu Hakusho had. I have grown up tired of shonen and action anime.

I am pretty sure that if my old self of early 1990s looked at my self of 2007, he'd laugh in disbelief. Maybe it is myself who got tired of the machism or chauvinism of what I used to watch, or maybe I've played too much of MariBato or EFZ.

I am sort of glad I've grown as an animefan to what I am now, I don't think I'd enjoy shows like Aria if I had the same tastes as 15+ years ago. And I would have never thought that a cute 9 y/o like Nanoha Takamachi can be badass =D
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Old 2007-05-22, 13:22   Link #1850
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What can I say? Back in the early 1990s, I used to scorn, and I mean it, what the random /a/non would call lolipedomoé shows, I could only enjoy my anime if my episode have its mandatory fights and yells (yes the likes of Dragon Ball and Saint Seiya), later I thought I could put myself above the average anime fan by watching very wordy, vaguely philosophical anime like the Patlabor movies or Serial Experiment Lain (I still love the patlabor movies and Lain tho). Then came the likes of Kanon (2k2), and here I have come to enjoy what I would never thought, the warming feeling of looking at a female character (like Sarah Crewe in this 1980s anime) or down -to-earth relationship like in Orange Road. Someone tried to get me into Naruto, but I just couldn't stand it, it doesn't have the same well crafted fights of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, it doesn't have the same vibes of awesome that Saint Seiya or Yuyu Hakusho had. I have grown up tired of shonen and action anime.

I am pretty sure that if my old self of early 1990s looked at my self of 2007, he'd laugh in disbelief. Maybe it is myself who got tired of the machism or chauvinism of what I used to watch, or maybe I've played too much of MariBato or EFZ.

I am sort of glad I've grown as an animefan to what I am now, I don't think I'd enjoy shows like Aria if I had the same tastes as 15+ years ago. And I would have never thought that a cute 9 y/o like Nanoha Takamachi can be badass =D
I too would have never believed I would have comed to enjoy these "Lolipedomoe shows" as a a guilty pleasure, but in a little less than one year I have. My main love of course will always be Mecha in a tier above, but these LPM shows are seeing more and more of my viewership lately. I still need a certain intangible quality in these LPM show's to enjoy them and it can't just be like Manabi Straight or Crescent Love, which I couldn't find much reason to watch (But damned if I do happen to have that games CG Pack).

It can be as small as anything imaginable though, like Lucky Star seeing a part of myself in the LS characters. I see my Anime/Gaming Fandom in Konata, My Ability To Inflict Self-Injury Through Clumsiness in Miyuki, My Shyness When First Being Introduced To Someone In Tsukasa, and My Preachiness And Constant Commentary in Kagami.

By the way, Sheba, your Avatar is really really distracting like DeathKillz's usually are.
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Old 2007-05-22, 13:40   Link #1851
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Wow...can't you just feel the love and togetherness in this thread now? This is why I like the AS community. ^_^

I think I've grown somewhat stoic towards fanatical bloggers, because I've seen so many opposing viewpoints to my own that it no longer really phases me; I've come to almost expect it. When your other interests include political and religious discussions, and when you're a conservative student at what's reputed to be the most liberal university in America, silly anime rants and criticisms suddenly seem so trivial. It's a great feeling, to be able to read a vitriolic blog and then derive a good, hearty laugh from it for its ridiculousness.
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Old 2007-05-22, 14:13   Link #1852
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Wow...can't you just feel the love and togetherness in this thread now? This is why I like the AS community. ^_^
heh quite true

personal opinions is the main issue here ~ from what i can see the guy in the blog is just as stubbon when it comes to "hardcore Gar series" as Kaioshin_Sama is to his oldskool mecha (not a stab btw) ~ but at least you of all people are beginning to understand the joys of moe (if done in the right way )
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Old 2007-05-22, 14:22   Link #1853
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Wow...can't you just feel the love and togetherness in this thread now? This is why I like the AS community. ^_^
*warm fuzzy feeling* I decided to start posting here instead of a host of other forums I'm registered at because for the most part, people are pretty civil here and the mods aren't completely and utterly useless like they are at other MBs.

Judging by what I've read in everyone's posts... I don't think I'll be visiting that link.
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Old 2007-05-22, 14:38   Link #1854
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Love LS,and most people who don't prejudge things will at least like it ^^

Cute silly and slightly random.
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Old 2007-05-22, 14:47   Link #1855
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I too would have never believed I would have comed to enjoy these "Lolipedomoe shows" as a a guilty pleasure, but in a little less than one year I have. My main love of course will always be Mecha in a tier above, but these LPM shows are seeing more and more of my viewership lately. I still need a certain intangible quality in these LPM show's to enjoy them and it can't just be like Manabi Straight or Crescent Love, which I couldn't find much reason to watch (But damned if I do happen to have that games CG Pack).

It can be as small as anything imaginable though, like Lucky Star seeing a part of myself in the LS characters. I see my Anime/Gaming Fandom in Konata, My Ability To Inflict Self-Injury Through Clumsiness in Miyuki, My Shyness When First Being Introduced To Someone In Tsukasa, and My Preachiness And Constant Commentary in Kagami.

By the way, Sheba, your Avatar is really really distracting like DeathKillz's usually are.
I don't mind the other genres as long as they have that extra flair that get me griped right on the spot (Nanoha series had to get me to Fate's introduction to get me hooked).
I am a heroic fantasy junkie since I've seen Conan the Barbarian as a toddle, but I am still very picky on what heroic fantasy anime I've seen (so far, Lodoss, Kaze no Tairiku, Scrapped Princess and now Seirei no Moribito. Otherwise, I avoid the cookie-cutter Final Fantasy/Dungeons & Dragons/Lord of the Rings at all cost), hell I am a very picky person on a lot of domain be it literature, movies or food.
Even as one who can appreciate moé shows for what they are, I am still discerning enough to avoid things like Crescent Love, Manabi Straight just doesn't appeal to me.
Regarding Lucky Star, I can find my trivial knowledge or ENCYCLOPEDIA TIME grooves in Tsukasa or Miyuki, I can get as easily annoyed as Kagami and like a lot of people here, I can recognize myself in Konata and her burning passions in things that are usually not acceptable to 'normal' people.

As for the avatar, I picked it for this very reason, it is distracting and I have a fetishist liking for the overknee socks and miniskirt combo.
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Old 2007-05-22, 21:58   Link #1856
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...did I just start a "I love AS" trend here?
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Old 2007-05-22, 22:00   Link #1857
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naw that happened 60 pages back :P
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...did I just start a "I love AS" trend here?
Truth is, I don't love AS... it's just that there are five or so people who keep me coming back.
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Old 2007-05-22, 23:12   Link #1859
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Truth is, I don't love AS... it's just that there are five or so people who keep me coming back.
*Does A pirouette* Woooooo!
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Old 2007-05-22, 23:38   Link #1860
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*Does A pirouette* Woooooo!
*passes Kaioshin his hyperactivity medication* There there, be a good boy and take this, then go to bed.
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