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Old 2011-11-28, 07:52   Link #41
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Most of my comrades (especially males) during my manga stage back in July of this year, are onto Narutards, Bleachtards and other high-action shonen-ish shows. During this period, there's one of my male comrades who says MM! is a shoujo anime, which is not. Other two of these classmates also thought that Ichigo 100% and REC were shoujo, then I started yelling them to say that "Ichigo 100% is shounen" but they think that shounen harem romance titles are shoujo, since they only watch shounen action series. I'm also talking of Magikano! for these comrades by saying "Magikano! is clearly a seinen fantasy series with harem romantic comedy elements" but they thought it as "girly anime". But I can't stand of french people labelling shounen romance shows as "shoujo anime". Another day of my manga stage is there's another male comrade says "Bakuman. is seinen", I'm yelling several times that this is shounen, but he refuses. They even think of Death Note, Devilman and other complicated and/or gory shounen anime as seinen. However, I couldn't never forget these memories, but the manga classification have bad errors towards French audience (if a french male person who only watches shounen action series (and some of shoujo romance series like Fruits Basket and Nana) and saw a shounen harem romance title like Love Hina, then he thinks it as shoujo).
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Old 2011-11-28, 09:18   Link #42
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Most of my comrades (especially males) during my manga stage back in July of this year, are onto Narutards, Bleachtards and other high-action shonen-ish shows. During this period, there's one of my male comrades who says MM! is a shoujo anime, which is not. Other two of these classmates also thought that Ichigo 100% and REC were shoujo, then I started yelling them to say that "Ichigo 100% is shounen" but they think that shounen harem romance titles are shoujo, since they only watch shounen action series. I'm also talking of Magikano! for these comrades by saying "Magikano! is clearly a seinen fantasy series with harem romantic comedy elements" but they thought it as "girly anime". But I can't stand of french people labelling shounen romance shows as "shoujo anime". Another day of my manga stage is there's another male comrade says "Bakuman. is seinen", I'm yelling several times that this is shounen, but he refuses. They even think of Death Note, Devilman and other complicated and/or gory shounen anime as seinen. However, I couldn't never forget these memories, but the manga classification have bad errors towards French audience (if a french male person who only watches shounen action series (and some of shoujo romance series like Fruits Basket and Nana) and saw a shounen harem romance title like Love Hina, then he thinks it as shoujo).
Ahahaha, reminds me of myself. I just had this irrational aversion to shojo and josei, even though it only referred to demographic (and I was looking for romance anyway). I was partially turned off at the shojo art though (many of them seemed to look similar). I did read a couple like Vampire Knight, Special A, and Papillon: Hana to chou, but there seemed to be something lacking.
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Old 2011-11-29, 08:10   Link #43
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However, I couldn't never forget these memories, but the manga classification have bad errors towards French audience (if a french male person who only watches shounen action series (and some of shoujo romance series like Fruits Basket and Nana) and saw a shounen harem romance title like Love Hina, then he thinks it as shoujo).
Well, for people who are not accustomed to the anime tradition, anime with a lot of girls or girls as protagonist = shoujo. That is a very natural reaction from newbies or long-time fans with limited exposure. You just have to understand them. It happens in my country too.

Also, while I do agree that those Narutards who only want to watch Naruto-like anime and refuse to watch other genres of animes are noobs, I don’t agree with the indifference toward Naruto-fans in general. Naruto itself (the first seasons before the 50 eps filler) is a good anime, if not great. It got: Good story, relatively complex and heavy plot, likeable characters, great strategic fights (jutsu and whatnot, no ass-pull power ups), humour, moral, great OST and theme songs, and ninjas (who don’t like ninjas?).

When you try to introduce 'Shonen-jumpers' to a new genre and they give some chance to the anime you recommended only to find them shaking their heads after watching it and go back to Naruto-like animes, then they’re not noobs. They simply don’t like the elements of the anime that you introduced (girlish looks, lots of talking, etc) and there’s nothing wrong with that. The line is clearly drawn when those ‘shonen-jumpers’ said “I don’t like it”. By that time, it’s clear that the problem lies on taste and you really can’t force them to like what you like. Leave them alone to find out the reality by themselves while you can provide them with information whenever they ask you. They need time. Hell, maybe they’ll have their own 'renaissance' once they got bored of shonen action.
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Old 2011-12-30, 11:03   Link #44
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Another thing I didn't miss in my manga stage is that two of my male comrades, while watching the latest Naruto/Bleach episodes, think that these titles are seinen just because of high-level violence, which they aren't.
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Old 2011-12-30, 15:13   Link #45
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People who watch ONLY Naruto or Naruto-like shows are probably anime n00bs, from my personal experience with anime watchers. Of course this doesn't apply to Naruto fans who watch other stuff as well.
People who watch only one or two anime series can't even be characterized as "anime fans" or "n00bs". Basically they're just "naruto", "one piece", "bleach", or "dbz" fans. It'd be like someone calling themself a "latino-phile" who likes tacos (and no other dish and knows zip about the culture). It is ludicrous.
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Old 2011-12-30, 15:38   Link #46
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Hehe, nice to know nothing has changed.

I tried to get into the local anime scene around the year 2k. But that failed due to the same reasons: People only knew what was shown in TV at that time. That wasn't only shonen, but most of it was.

I too got hooked by tv broadcasts initially, but quickly wanted more. So I got into fansubs. But there was noone to talk with about those.
NGE was a the big player. So, whenver they talked about anime, it was about NGE. Never mind, that series had a limited number of episodes, but they kept at it.
Somtimes they switched to different series, that were all tv reruns and they all came with about 5 years of delay to their japan broadcasts. It was boring.

I think part of the problem at that time, and maybe still today, was that I was slightly older than most of them (me being 19 and most fans were around 15). I had no problem reading english subtitles, while they just did not like that concept.

There definatly is an anime scene around here that is uptodate now, at least judging from their cosplay, as I can see once per year in the neighbouring town of Düsseldorf. But I guess Im growing to old to meddle with them. Now I have to stick with you guys.

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Old 2011-12-30, 17:01   Link #47
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There definatly is an anime scene around here that is uptodate now, at least judging from their cosplay, as I can see once per year in the neighbouring town of Düsseldorf. But I guess Im growing to old to meddle with them. Now I have to stick with you guys.
Yeah, my son's friends cosplay ... but I'm a strong believer that you should choose characters that fit your actual looks/build. So I'm pretty much restricted to "lanky mature white-haired guys with long hair" One year I almost talked a couple of my son's friends into cosplaying the twin catgirl familiars in Nanoha and I'd play their mentor Gil Graham Sadly, they were more enthralled by Hetalia Axis crossplay.
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Old 2011-12-30, 18:06   Link #48
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I actually have this same problem, aside from the friend that actually got me into anime, I only really have one other friend that watches it, and he's really only seen Naruto and One Piece (and Vampire Knight...), so there's really nothing we can discuss, kinda sad.
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Old 2011-12-30, 19:56   Link #49
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People who watch only one or two anime series can't even be characterized as "anime fans" or "n00bs". Basically they're just "naruto", "one piece", "bleach", or "dbz" fans. It'd be like someone calling themself a "latino-phile" who likes tacos (and no other dish and knows zip about the culture). It is ludicrous.
That's a bit harsh, after all, there are fans who are devoted JUMP junkies that can be consider anime/manga fans.

I mean, there are plenty of western manga/anime fans that has not idea about City Hunter, Cats Eye, Hana no Keiji, Captian Tsubasa, I"s, Kinnikuman, Dr. Slump, Kimagure Orange Road, Jungle King Tar-chan, Bastard, Saint Seiya, JoJo, etc.
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Old 2011-12-30, 21:24   Link #50
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It's funny. My experience with these so-called Shonen Jumpers and anime fans has been somewhat of the reverse from most of the posts I've seen. Regarding the online community I've come across more folks whose knowledge was limited to Bleach and Naruto, while IRL I've met more people that were actually aware of Negima! and Diamond Daydreams. Even then, there are times when I feel like I'm the outsider to this hobby despite being in this for about six years now. How much more exclusive is this gig becoming if even an insider occasionally finds something amiss? To that end I certainly can't blame newcomers for shying away from the "My-HiME" of today; Hell, both parts of my namesake are from shojo titles which I previously didn't touch with a 10ft pole.

But I digress. From what I've observed I can tell that there's a shift in attitude regarding the accessibility of the industry's products, but I wouldn't hold my breath. I think we (meaning, the studios) still have a ways to go in regards to reining in a new audience.
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Old 2011-12-31, 02:43   Link #51
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That's a bit harsh, after all, there are fans who are devoted JUMP junkies that can be consider anime/manga fans.

I mean, there are plenty of western manga/anime fans that has not idea about City Hunter, Cats Eye, Hana no Keiji, Captian Tsubasa, I"s, Kinnikuman, Dr. Slump, Kimagure Orange Road, Jungle King Tar-chan, Bastard, Saint Seiya, JoJo, etc.
At least 2 from 4 different genres would make me consider one an anime fan (but that's just my opinion).

I haven't heard about most of these titles (except Capt Tsubasa) and I have heard stuff like CLANNAD, Madoka, Haruhi, Fate/Zero (not going to list cause I'm too lazy)
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Old 2011-12-31, 03:31   Link #52
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My friends used to only know mainstream anime, then I showed them anime which has a lot of girls, in other words, fanservice.
This was the key to victory, taking advantage of their teenage desires secured the grip I had on their minds, it's an unbelievable feeling of power.

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"Hey, do you have more of that 'harem' stuff?"
"Hmm...I'm not too sure about that..."
"PLEASE WE NEED MORE OF IT WE CAN'T GET ENOUGH!!"
"Well, I might have some left-over..."
"THANK YOU! WE BOW TO OUR SAVIOUR!!"
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In case anyone missed the satire in this post, if you want your friends to broaden their horizons when it comes to watching anime, find what they like and look for a series that possesses this common element, it's not about forcing what you like on them, it's about isolating the common denominator and enjoying what you like as friends, because if your friends, then surely you have common interests, no?
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Old 2011-12-31, 18:02   Link #53
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At least 2 from 4 different genres would make me consider one an anime fan (but that's just my opinion).

I haven't heard about most of these titles (except Capt Tsubasa) and I have heard stuff like CLANNAD, Madoka, Haruhi, Fate/Zero (not going to list cause I'm too lazy)
And that is exactly what JUMP has genres, people keep forgetting that JUMP's something like 20-22 titles serialized at same time along just like other manga magazines.

As for the title I mentioned all those are 80s-90s JUMP titles that were hugely popular at time and arguably had just as much impact to East Asia pop culture as DB or Slam Dunk if not more.

Almost everyone who grew up in East Asia know some if not majority of those series. Even now, a lot of comedy spots and TV drama/programs still makes constant references to those series. Some of them are even still running be it in different magazine, in spinoff series, or on irregular schedules like Jojo, Saint Saiya, and Young Kindaichi Case files.
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*hits my head* Tch forgot.
Shounen Jump for me is one genre XD (anything like Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Dragon Ball Z, Full Metal Alchemist for me falls in this category XD)...

Wait... 20-22?
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Shounen Jump for me is one genre XD
Oh, really? To Love-Ru was serialized in Weekly Shounen Jump.
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*hits my head* Tch forgot.
Shounen Jump for me is one genre XD (anything like Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Dragon Ball Z, Full Metal Alchemist for me falls in this category XD)...

Wait... 20-22?
Shonen Jump isn't only serializing Naruto-like titles (Bleach, One Piece), but also serializes harem titles (To-Love Ru), sport titles (Slam Dunk) etc... Like I said, shounen is a target audience, not a genre.
FMA isn't a Shonen Jump title, but a Shonen Gangan title.
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Shonen Jump, while highly popular, is still just a manga magazine. There's nothing really special about it, and while Bleach/Naruto/One Piece are extremely well known, there are a ton of stuff from them that few people know about even in Japan, spanning through many styles and genres.

That is, if you are talking about real Japanese SJ and not the Viz Media version, tho even that used to have many different genres stuffed inside...
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If only there would be another Fist of the North Star (not a sequel, but a similar series). I'd pay good money for it.
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The Viz edition only contains nekketsu series just because most people tends to misclass shounen with nekketsu.
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Shonen Jump isn't only serializing Naruto-like titles (Bleach, One Piece), but also serializes harem titles (To-Love Ru), sport titles (Slam Dunk) etc... Like I said, shounen is a target audience, not a genre.
FMA isn't a Shonen Jump title, but a Shonen Gangan title.
XD ah well XD fine... anything like Naruto wrrryyyyyyy

It's quite hard to find someone out there (esp if the only thing many people know is The Big 3, DB, Pokemon and Sailor Moon XD)
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