Could Naruto learn Hakkeshou kaiten?

[sayde]

I'm just curious, that's all. I mean to use it, all one would really need to master is how to release an enormous amount of chakra from the chakra holes all thoughout ones body. Clearly it's not an easy task since even Jounin lvl shinobi's can barely release a small amount from there hands alone. But given Kyuubi's infinite chakra supply and how explosive it can be if released, could Naruto possibly be the only person outside of the Hyuuga clan who learn that jutsu with Kyuubi's help? I mean the rest is just a whirl to parry the oncomming attack. That doesn't seem to require anything more than practice to master. Plus we've seen several instances thoughout the anime where Kyuubi's chakra has litterally taken a visible form and wrapped Naruto's entire body with it. It certainly seemed to me as if Kyuubi's chakra poures out of all Naruto's chakra holes when used. So what do you think?

[AznSoulBoy]

I think he could, but not because of Kyuubi's chakra, did u remember when Kakashi said " If u didnt have Kyuubi ur chakra would be 10 times more stronger" Something like that whatever.

[Mr. Johnny 5]

Spoiler for manga:

In the Manga he (Naruto) already did something similair to Kaiten with his chakra...Kabuto was blown away like he got hit from a Hyuuga's Kaiten.

[Rich]

i don't understand how can Naruto learn a Hyuuga move...? i thought that Kaiten and Hakkeshou and divine moves etc are like a Hyuuga Bloodline move. it's just like saying how Naruto can learn Shadow bind. theoretically and logically it is not possible for Naruto to learn other bloodline moves such as Baikai-no-Jutsu (choiji's double size move) or Shadow binds. but it does sound interesting tho... ^^

Originally Posted by Mr. Johnny 5

Spoiler for manga:

In the Manga he (Naruto) already did something similair to Kaiten with his chakra...Kabuto was blown away like he got hit from a Hyuuga's Kaiten.

this is a non-manga thread... please re-edit your post ^^

[Rurik]

Specifically Kaiten, in Theory, anyone is capable of learning this Jutsu.

But it was said that even for Jounins it is very difficult to expel small amount of Chakra from their hands, doing it so from their entire body (in Big Amounts), it is practicable impossible to do, except for the Hyugas.Who has, not a large amount of chakra to do so, but excellent Chakra control.

[Fukitsu Naruto]

Originally Posted by Rurik

Specifically Kaiten, in Theory, anyone is capable of learning this Jutsu.

But it was said that even for Jounins it is very difficult to expel small amount of Chakra from their hands, doing it so from their entire body (in Big Amounts), it is practicable impossible to do, except for the Hyugas.Who has, not a large amount of chakra to do so, but excellent Chakra control.

-Kaiten? Isn't that the large dome of chakra that a Hyuuga clan member can create while expelling chakra from their body in a rotating motion to create their absolute defence? Theoretically as Rurik mentioned anyone could do it if they had the control necessary. Naruto unfortunatelly has very poor control on his part so that may be impossible for him, well normally anyway. But since the Kyuubi's chakra acts on a mind of it's own and is able to materialize outside Naruto's body already, Kyuubi Naruto performing Kaiten doesn't seem like an impossibility.

-Now I have a thought. Juuken can only be utilized by the Hyuugas simply because they can see the tenketsu (chakra points) via Byakugan, correct? But if you know on instict where these points are could you be able to close them even without the Byakugan?

[Dauthi]

Originally Posted by Rurik

Specifically Kaiten, in Theory, anyone is capable of learning this Jutsu.

But it was said that even for Jounins it is very difficult to expel small amount of Chakra from their hands, doing it so from their entire body (in Big Amounts), it is practicable impossible to do, except for the Hyugas.Who has, not a large amount of chakra to do so, but excellent Chakra control.

Ah, beat me to it .

Yeah, anyone can learn to do this, as it is not a bloodline limit, its jyuuken, and anyone who trains extensively at it will eventually learn how to release it and utilize kaiten. However, it only gives those with the Byakugen the real benefits from mastering it.

If you master jyuuken without the byakugen you will not be able to see the points in which to hit within their body, making that part useless. You cant use 64 points of divinity, or what not.

Logically speaking, kaiten would be wasted as well. Byakugen allows you to see all around yourself, and specializes in repeling attacks one wouldnt ordinarily be able to dodge (like a massive attack from all sides) at the expense of massive amounts of chakra. With the byakugen they know when the right time to utilize this draining technique is, and when its not, by simply looking about them with byakugen.

[sayde]

Originally Posted by AznSoulBoy

I think he could, but not because of Kyuubi's chakra, did u remember when Kakashi said " If u didnt have Kyuubi ur chakra would be 10 times more stronger" Something like that whatever.

sorry. I don't recall hearing/reading that. Keep in mind, I'm not a manga reader. I personally don't mind manga spoilers, but should there happen to be evidence in the manga post-time skip that would further prove/disprove my question wrong, then try to understand if I seem totally oblivious to it.

Originally Posted by AznSoulBoy

i don't understand how can Naruto learn a Hyuuga move...? i thought that Kaiten and Hakkeshou and divine moves etc are like a Hyuuga Bloodline move. it's just like saying how Naruto can learn Shadow bind. theoretically and logically it is not possible for Naruto to learn other bloodline moves such as Baikai-no-Jutsu (choiji's double size move) or Shadow binds. but it does sound interesting tho... ^^

I compleltely understand where you're coming from and why you'd be confused about the logic behind it. But from what we've seen in the anime, the only jutsu he used on Naruto that really relied on the bloodline was his "hakke Rokujuuyonshou" since that specifically required the ability to see the tenketsu's within the human body. Learning how to release chakra from the pours of one's body was never stated to be an ability only the Hyuuga clan could learn. In fact, it was just the opposite. Ten Ten basically implied that even jounins could learn the bare basics of what neji's absolute defense involved. It just seems like something a Hyuuga clan member would have an easier time learning since there bloodline and fighting syles would seem to help learn such a move.

I guess I just feel like with Kyuubi's infinite source of chakra, Naruto really won't need to learn extreme chakra control to use a move like this. Could'nt he hypothetically force a huge amount of energy out of skin with Kyuubi? Even if he did exert A LOT more than what was needed?

Originally Posted by KatonMakai

Now I have a thought. Juuken can only be utilized by the Hyuugas simply because they can see the tenketsu (chakra points) via Byakugan, correct? But if you know on instict where these points are could you be able to close them even without the Byakugan?

lol. That's interesting question. I'd assume no since the tenketsu's were said to only be about the size of a needle tip. Considering how accurate the fighter would have to be, how each person you'd fight would differ in size (even if only slightly), and considering how the fighter would be going about it blind, I see how a fighter without the bloodline could effectively close the tenketsu's on an opponent. He might no doubt get lucky hitting one or two of the many points, but he'd definately have a hell of hard time IMO

[Yellow Flash]

Originally Posted by Rurik

Specifically Kaiten, in Theory, anyone is capable of learning this Jutsu.

Wrong. Only those who master the Jyuuken could learn Kaiten, and only Hyuuga are capable of this.

[Fukitsu Naruto]

Originally Posted by Dauthi

Byakugen allows you to see all around yourself, and specializes in repeling attacks one wouldnt ordinarily be able to dodge (like a massive attack from all sides) at the expense of massive amounts of chakra. With the byakugen they know when the right time to utilize this draining technique is, and when its not, by simply looking about them with byakugen.

-Ah yes, massive amounts chakra, something which Naruto has very little to worry about. He's already a chakra and stamina freak and can outlast quite a few people in terms of combat capability (in other words, he lasts a lot longer).

Originally Posted by sayde

lol. That's interesting question. I'd assume no since the tenketsu's were said to only be about the size of a needle tip. Considering how accurate the fighter would have to be, how each person you'd fight would differ in size (even if only slightly), and considering how the fighter would be going about it blind, I see how a fighter without the bloodline could effectively close the tenketsu's on an opponent. He might no doubt get lucky hitting one or two of the many points, but he'd definately have a hell of hard time IMO

-Then how about releasing the chakra in a spread-wave motion (example: place the palm of your hand on said target and then release chakra all around)? That should cover at least a few tenketsu without the Byakugan.

[Rurik]

Originally Posted by KatonMakai

-Kaiten? Isn't that the large dome of chakra that a Hyuuga clan member can create while expelling chakra from their body in a rotating motion to create their absolute defence? Theoretically as Rurik mentioned anyone could do it if they had the control necessary. Naruto unfortunatelly has very poor control on his part so that may be impossible for him, well normally anyway. But since the Kyuubi's chakra acts on a mind of it's own and is able to materialize outside Naruto's body already, Kyuubi Naruto performing Kaiten doesn't seem like an impossibility.

It isnt a Chakra Dome, it is a Chakra espehre that Rotates and a very quick speed. sort of like a Giant Rasengan.

-Now I have a thought. Juuken can only be utilized by the Hyuugas simply because they can see the tenketsu (chakra points) via Byakugan, correct? But if you know on instict where these points are could you be able to close them even without the Byakugan?

The Tenketsu is not needed to be seen to use Jyuken Soft palm style, the Jutsu that requieres the Tenketsus to be seen is the Hakkke 64 strikes.

And then to do Jyuken, Not even if copied by Sharingan:

Each body has a different Anatomy, were The exact position of Heart, Lungs stomach, etc are different for every Human being, a person doing Jyuken without the Byakugan will have a degree or failure (A High degree it seems), given the person that is the opponent will be in constant movement, meaning the Chakra inner coils will not have a steady position.

Originally Posted by Yellow Flash

Wrong. Only those who master the Jyuuken could learn Kaiten, and only Hyuuga are capable of this.

That’s why I said in theory, as ANY Ninja in Narutoverse is capable of releasing Chakra from their body.

[Fukitsu Naruto]

Originally Posted by Rurik

It isnt a Chakra Dome, it is a Chakra espehre that Rotates and a very quick speed. sort of like a Giant Rasengan.

The Tenketsu is not needed to be seen to use Jyuken Soft palm style, the Jutsu that requieres the Tenketsus to be seen is the Hakkke 64 strikes.

And then to do Jyuken, Not even if copied by Sharingan:

Each body has a different Anatomy, were The exact position of Heart, Lungs stomach, etc are different for every Human being, a person doing Jyuken without the Byakugan will have a degree or failure (A High degree it seems), given the person that is the opponent will be in constant movement, meaning the Chakra inner coils will not have a steady position.

-I see, an esphere huh? Ok, thank you for pointing it out. Ugh, me and my poor geometry .

-So what you are telling me is that the Juuken style of taijutsu, as in the movements themselves, do not require the Byakugan, rather it is a requirement for only when you want to strike at the tenketsu, right? And of course every human body is different, that's why I suggested a spreding wave motion to remedy this...

[sayde]

Originally Posted by KatonMakai

-Then how about releasing the chakra in a spread-wave motion (example: place the palm of your hand on said target and then release chakra all around)? That should cover at least a few tenketsu without the Byakugan.

Now that definately sounds plausible. But I'm hardly a naruto expert so I'll just say it sounds plausible to me.

[Fukitsu Naruto]

Originally Posted by sayde

Now that definately sounds plausible. But I'm hardly a naruto expert so I'll just say it sounds plausible to me.

-Glad you think so. Now imagine how scary it would be if Naruto could actually do that with Kyuubi's chakra? You've seen the kind of damage that does to physical objects (like buildings, terrain, and even the human body). Now imagine what it could do to the inner coils should it be able to get there and remember, no matter how strong a ninja is they cannot strenghten their tenketsu or inner coils...

[Rurik]

Originally Posted by KatonMakai

-I see, an esphere huh? Ok, thank you for pointing it out. Ugh, me and my poor geometry .

Well, people could mistake it because they don't see that after A Hyuga makes a Kaiten a crater is left were they perfomed the Jutsu, meaning it is a espehere.

-So what you are telling me is that the Juuken style of taijutsu, as in the movements themselves, do not require the Byakugan, rather it is a requirement for only when you want to strike at the tenketsu, right? And of course every human body is different, that's why I suggested a spreding wave motion to remedy this...

Yes, The Byakugan its what Completes the Jutsu, For doing soft palm Style you need the Byakugan to se the Inner Coils, To do the Hakke 64 strikes you need the Byakugan to se the Tenketsus. I guess the Hyugas needs to use the Byakuugan to practice and learn the Jutsu.

[sayde]

Originally Posted by KatonMakai

-Glad you think so. Now imagine how scary it would be if Naruto could actually do that with Kyuubi's chakra? You've seen the kind of damage that does to physical objects (like buildings, terrain, and even the human body). Now imagine what it could do to the inner coils should it be able to get there and remember, no matter how strong a ninja is they cannot strenghten their tenketsu or inner coils...

well, I'll say this much. It definately sounds like something completely worthy of Kyuubi's power.

[Fukitsu Naruto]

Originally Posted by sayde

well, I'll say this much. It definately sounds like something completely worthy of Kyuubi's power.

-Now that I think about it, didn't Sakura's arm become horribly injured after just a single lash from the 4-tailed Naruto's tail? Even after being healed by Kabuto her arm wouldn't function properly. And that was from a mere scratch which the Kyuubi produced at not even full power. You know what I'm changing my previous statemen: if the Kyuubi chakra ever touched the inner coils or tenketsu, that victim would writhe in pain until he/she died...

[sayde]

Originally Posted by KatonMakai

-Now that I think about it, didn't Sakura's arm become horribly injured after just a single lash from the 4-tailed Naruto's tail? Even after being healed by Kabuto her arm wouldn't function properly. And that was from a mere scratch which the Kyuubi produced at not even full power.

You're serious!? Because I'd LOVE to see that. I've been waiting for a moment even just remotely similar to that for a couple years now. lol
(sorry sakura lovers. Nothing personal)

Originally Posted by KatonMakai

You know what I'm changing my previous statemen: if the Kyuubi chakra ever touched the inner coils or tenketsu, that victim would writhe in pain until he/she died...

indeed.

[raikage]

Originally Posted by sayde

I guess I just feel like with Kyuubi's infinite source of chakra, Naruto really won't need to learn extreme chakra control to use a move like this. Could'nt he hypothetically force a huge amount of energy out of skin with Kyuubi? Even if he did exert A LOT more than what was needed?

By expelling massive amounts of chakra, Naruto could indeed perform a poor-man's version of it.

It is, however, something most ninja wouldn't (not couldn't) do. Besides the obvious 'Naruto's got power to spare' reasoning, he's also capable of healing rapidly. The poor-man's version consists of generating so much chakra the energy is literally overflowing and leaking out of your body, and that's bound to destroy your cells. Remember how when Naruto was learning Rasengan, he was outputting so much power he burned his own hands? I'd imagine it's kind of like that.

[AznSoulBoy]

OH crap sry guys. LOL. I though it was something from the manga oops, Kaiten thinks..nah.. I dun think so.