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Old 2009-10-09, 00:30   Link #21341
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can anyone translate this?


Vita: Friends, eh?
Fate: You're wrong!
Fate: She's my wife.
Vita: Are you stupid or something?
Nanoha: Fate-chan, pull it together!

There's my half-assed attempt ^^; Surprised I recognized some of those kanji too o.O

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Old 2009-10-09, 00:32   Link #21342
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And yet, Nanoha isn't denying the claim...
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Old 2009-10-09, 00:59   Link #21343
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Old 2009-10-09, 02:43   Link #21344
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I see that someone loves Signum.

In many ways, I don't disagree with this attributes breakdown approach - I agree with your take on Hayate as a pure hardcore mage type, for example - but Signum is almost broken here, while I wonder why you think that Fate's defense is complete crap.

I'd take Signum's Agility and/or Defense down a little bit, while upping Fate's Defense a fair bit. Those two should be very close to one another, as they struck me as very evenly matched fighters in Nanoha A's.

Other than that, nice job! Good pics too.
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Old 2009-10-09, 02:57   Link #21345
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while I wonder why you think that Fate's defense is complete crap.
Because it is? Fate has the lowest defensive spells out of all of them, relying on her speed to dodge attacks rather than blocking them. It gets even worse in Sonic Form, where she has virtually no armor at all, and any single hit from her enemies is enough to drop her.

I do agree with taking down Signum's agility a peg or two. She's a hard hitter, sacrificing grace for power.

My personal iffy about the graph is that Hayate outclasses all of them in terms of mana and attack, yet the graph is unable to display this.
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Old 2009-10-09, 03:09   Link #21346
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Because it is?
No, Fate's defense is not crap. You don't become a great melee fighter with sucky defense, Keroko.

Fate's defensive spells are fine. She successfully shielded herself, with a magic shield, from one of Nanoha's best blast attacks in their final battle in the original Nanoha anime.

I don't see any evidence at all that Fate has "low defensive spells". Just because Fate dodges a lot doesn't mean she has "low defensive spells". That's like saying that since Superman dodges attacks sometimes, he can't withstand them. No, it's just that he instinctively dodges, or he doesn't want to risk the attacks hurting him if he doesn't know how potent they are.

Also, in Fate's case, why waste magic energy making shields when she's so good at dodging?

Finally, a defense value should count for more than just "defensive spells". It should count for physical defense as well. Fate uses Bardiche very well as a defensive weapon at times.


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Fate has the lowest defensive spells out of all of them, relying on her speed to dodge attacks rather than blocking them. It gets even worse in Sonic Form, where she has virtually no armor at all, and any single hit from her enemies is enough to drop her.
... And Nanoha got dropped by a single punch from Vivio in their fight. So... what's your point?

I really see no good reason for Fate's defense to be significantly lower than Nanoha's.
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Old 2009-10-09, 03:24   Link #21347
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I had a nice post typed up... but then I realized we're dragging the thread off-topic, so I ported the post to the generic thread.
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Old 2009-10-09, 03:30   Link #21348
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Nanoha is Serious Business™.
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Old 2009-10-09, 03:33   Link #21349
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If you're going to match them up...

It matches up as thus in canon.

Fate Favors speedblitzing over tanking and precision over power. She starts out towards the balanced end of the spectrum, but favors rotating her stats to a speed and firepower edge as she 'powers up'. Emphasising her desire to hit first, hit hard, and be gone before the return fire. Her specialty would be strike.

Signum, as a classic full warrior case, favors an ideal balance. If anything, Signum is the Mario of the group. Her speed is balanced with her defense, armor, skills and power. She excels in nothing, but can handle everything equally well. She'd be an ideal escort.

Nanoha is a tank. She favors blasting her opponents until they give up, maneuvering a little, simply shrugging off what she does get hit with and keeps on trucking. Her firepower is strong and balances with her defenses. Prolonged assault is right up her ally.

Hayate said it herself. She's absurd in close combat. She's a glass cannon. She's a cute artillery piece that suffers from a severe issue if you get inside her attack sphere. She's field artillery.
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Old 2009-10-09, 03:40   Link #21350
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Nanoha is Serious Business™.
Eh, for me this is just a bit of fun. I like a little debate every now and then.

Back to more image related posts though, it looks like Ingvalt art is starting to flow on the net now:

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Old 2009-10-09, 04:57   Link #21351
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While Ingvalt looks gorgeous as usual, never wrong getting more art of her... want more Force fanart ffs. WHERE IS MAH LILY
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Old 2009-10-09, 06:47   Link #21352
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Not a lot of Force fanart that I can find yet.

But I can spice things up with a bit of NanoVita:

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Old 2009-10-09, 07:34   Link #21353
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I agree that Signum is broken there, but I put it that way because I honestly see no weaknesses of her. It's not like she's "no weaknesses, no strength". She excels everywhere. She's a prime example of a Lightning Bruiser. And as far as I know, she won most of the matches against Fate (In the Sound Stages?) and still was as strong as Nanoha after StrikerS, despite the Wolkenritter never actually getting stronger. In fact, their power is fading away in the process of becoming more human, I think.

Take her first fight with Fate, for example. She blocks her lightning attack with her Panzergeist magic. Without even flinching. Then she goes ultra-speed and disappears from Fate's vision only to go from below and crush her shield and Bardiche in one blow.

And Fate's defense is weak. What's with the "Are you crazy, if you take one blow like that, you're down" coming from every opponent, including Signum. She said so herself, if she takes a hard hit in Sonic Form, she's done for.

I should however mention, and this is important, that those attributes are no exact values. It's only how their strengths are distributed.

For example, just because Nanoha and Hayate both have maximum strength does not mean both are equal in terms of power. It means that they both have power as their best attribute.

At least I think so. I realize that it's not the best system, maybe I'll remake it. The thing is, I have no idea how to compare them in terms of power and speed, when one relies on strong physical attacks and the other one on beams. Suggestions are appreciated, of course.

Spoiler for Oh, and here's the picture:
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Old 2009-10-09, 10:37   Link #21354
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Old 2009-10-09, 11:20   Link #21355
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I just realized that these arts, along with how she, and I think Ix too, is dressed in... both characters' fashion sense seem oddly Chinese. Are they Martians?
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Old 2009-10-09, 12:54   Link #21356
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I have a worksafe doujin with what looks a Ginga/Cinque subtext (As I don't know Japanese I can't say for sure). Post?
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Old 2009-10-09, 16:04   Link #21357
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Ginga/Cinque?

This I want to see.
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Old 2009-10-09, 17:02   Link #21358
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Same!

I'd like to see some Ginga/Cinque, please.
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Old 2009-10-09, 20:54   Link #21359
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Here it is:


Focuses on Ginga and Cinque in a French maid outfit.

http://rapidshare.com/files/29093705...on-h__C75_.zip

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Old 2009-10-10, 02:04   Link #21360
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Yeah, I was bored.
Curious...

Think you could do one for Erio, Subaru, Teana, Caro and Ginga?

Maybe for some of the Numbers? Like Nove, Wendi, Otto, Deed, Cinque and Dieci?

If possible, of course.
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