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Old 2011-06-03, 02:28   Link #28321
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Now let's be fair. Some tsundere's aren't that bad.

Take Teana for example
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Let us amend, then:

Romantic tsunderes tend to be pretty detestable.
Dude. I like my tsunderes with guns. You can have one without the other but what's the point? ^^
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Old 2011-06-03, 03:07   Link #28322
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Shana's tolerable because she's not in "Absolute Denial" about being affectionate to the guy. She protects him, actively gets jealous when other girls court him, and let's face it...

... she matured and grew out of the tsuntsun phase. That's character development for you.

Same with Teana. After Nanoha's "Beam of Talk-To-The-Finger *Pew-Pew*", Teana also developed.

The ones that are infuriating are the ones that remain in status quo for no sensible reason other than maintaining the status quo for the sake of maintaining the status quo. Character development in this case is essentially zero, which can easily lead to resentment.

The whole bloody concept of the tsundere is the DEVELOPMENT. If there is none, the designer of the character has failed to get the point of having a tsundere character. Bear in mind that development does NOT mean 100% deredere. That's extreme, and possible character derailment.

With that said...



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Old 2011-06-03, 03:54   Link #28323
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The witching hour here has come and gone, Archon Wing's assurances of pink beatdowns were unfulfilled and I am sorely disappoint. Am I not good enough for her or something? (Of course I'm not. But I'll get good enough, just you watch! From here on out. . .)

In the meantime, if I may:

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Old 2011-06-03, 06:17   Link #28324
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In the meantime, if I may:
Another Dog Days crossover?
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Old 2011-06-03, 06:38   Link #28325
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Another Dog Days crossover?
Considering Dog Days is written by the same guy that wrote Nanoha... why are you surprised?

But that smile... that smile... *shudders*
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Old 2011-06-03, 08:13   Link #28326
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Considering Dog Days is written by the same guy that wrote Nanoha... why are you surprised?
I am not. Just wasn't sure what I saw...

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But that smile... that smile... *shudders*
It must be what Signum's raep face looks like. *slaughtered*
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Old 2011-06-03, 08:32   Link #28327
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It must be what Signum's raep face looks like. *slaughtered*
I wouldn't mind being raped by her.
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Old 2011-06-03, 09:51   Link #28328
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I wouldn't mind being raped by her.
Neither do i xD!

About the Tsundere topic i agree that developement is important, if the character never experience any kind of growth for the sake of an eternal status quo it reach a point here it become just annoying(Shana 2nd Season was very close to hit that button with the entire "relationship reset" but fortunately the OVA's and novels are much, much better) Louise is a textbook example, any developement she gets is constantly rejected for the sake of the UST between her and Saito which turns pretty lame as the story progresses. Taiga is my favourite among the TsundeRies because she manage to grow out of the mold she started in and by the end of the season she's not the nicest person on earth but still one with a much more human behavior than in the beginning(it helps that this time the viewer was informed about the actual reasons that provoked said harsh behavior and worked on that). I also think Teana is a good example of Tsundere developement, much of her ranting comes with the pressure and insecurity she had over her own capacity and undertanding her virtues and limits and grow confident on her skills and decsisions take away most of the harsh elements of her personality ....unless Subaru is involved, of course xD!
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Old 2011-06-03, 12:16   Link #28329
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The witching hour here has come and gone, Archon Wing's assurances of pink beatdowns were unfulfilled and I am sorely disappoint. Am I not good enough for her or something? (Of course I'm not. But I'll get good enough, just you watch! From here on out. . .)

In the meantime, if I may:

I blame it on traffic.
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Old 2011-06-03, 13:14   Link #28330
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Shana's tolerable because she's not in "Absolute Denial" about being affectionate to the guy. She protects him, actively gets jealous when other girls court him, and let's face it...

... she matured and grew out of the tsuntsun phase. That's character development for you.

Same with Teana. After Nanoha's "Beam of Talk-To-The-Finger *Pew-Pew*", Teana also developed.

The ones that are infuriating are the ones that remain in status quo for no sensible reason other than maintaining the status quo for the sake of maintaining the status quo. Character development in this case is essentially zero, which can easily lead to resentment.

The whole bloody concept of the tsundere is the DEVELOPMENT. If there is none, the designer of the character has failed to get the point of having a tsundere character. Bear in mind that development does NOT mean 100% deredere. That's extreme, and possible character derailment.
To me, development, or lack thereof, is secondary to the real reason I dislike tsunderes. Which is that I hate slavery. Isn't that how it too often goes? She can't admit she likes him, yet she wants to control every aspect of his life - so he's her "slave", for some reason.

It's not solely the fault of the tsundere, but she's the most noticeable in the pair of culprits. (It takes two: one to trample the other, and one to act like a carpet...)

I'm not asking for much, except an acknowledgement that the guy has every right and every reason to walk away from something like that, but that never happens.
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Old 2011-06-03, 13:19   Link #28331
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I'm not asking for much, except an acknowledgement that the guy has every right and every reason to walk away from something like that, but that never happens.
It do happen and are tsunderes that receive their comeupance for being assholes but that's another genre
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Old 2011-06-03, 13:38   Link #28332
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Well, Nanya did some posting of my motes, so I'm here to bring some more!

Spoiler for White Devil:


And one depicting one of my favorite girls from Nanoha
Spoiler for Guess Her Name:

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Old 2011-06-03, 13:50   Link #28333
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Apparently Signum and Nanoha somehow caught the Hinamizawa Syndrome xD!
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Old 2011-06-03, 15:00   Link #28334
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Apparently Signum and Nanoha somehow caught the Hinamizawa Syndrome xD!
Nah, we all know how that ends.
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Old 2011-06-03, 15:30   Link #28336
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What the ffff- did I just watch?
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Old 2011-06-03, 15:31   Link #28337
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Those White Devil pics sure were scary. :/

These are some pictures I drew while having nothing else to do with my life. You can probably tell that I've been experimenting on different styles.

I was doodling and this was the result. The feathers were really hard but fun. It was quite refreshing to do something new.


I just wanted to draw Nanoha with a scar. After thinking about the flashback in StrikerS, I remembered that she was badly injured but in all the official artwork, she is flawless. I understand why they didn't give her a scar but I still wonder what she would look like if she did. So this was the result. I was experimenting with a new tool in SAI which explains the boldness of the drawing. I don't like it as much but it still came out good in my opinion.


I LOVE Seikou! I learned a little about cell animation coloring and I wanted to test it out. It took me two days to finish it but overall I'm quite happy with it. But her feet might be too small and her arms a little wide. Still, I'm not good with perspective (and I just realized I never colored in her shoes white).


Behind Seikou, Olivie is my close second despite the fact we hardly know anything about her. While surfing the net, I came across a medieval dress and an idea came to mind. First time I drew a dress like that so I was quite scared about how it would come out. I tried to lighten up her right eye to show that she has heterochromia but I guess it didn't work out well. Then again, she probably doesn't even look like Olivie...


I have absolutely NO IDEA why I drew this.
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Old 2011-06-03, 15:37   Link #28338
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What the ffff- did I just watch?
A very silly, out of context page of the most epic webcomic ever. Check it out if you have a lazy weekend and a lot of hours to kill coming up. Hint: it's murderously slow to start off and you will want to quit around page 30ish. Keep going. It gets much more interesting when the world starts ending.

Spoiler for Wello, Holkies:
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Old 2011-06-03, 18:54   Link #28339
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@Alavon: Already commented on your pictures on AIM, and despite the problems I pointed out you did a great job

Spoiler for Now for something probably only I will like:


Page claim for Vivio/Yuuno
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Old 2011-06-03, 19:07   Link #28340
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@Alavon: Already commented on your pictures on AIM, and despite the problems I pointed out you did a great job

Spoiler for Now for something probably only I will like:
Nanoha and Fate are going to kill him.
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