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Old 2011-11-13, 18:12   Link #30781
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OK guys, I need your help. I found the normal covers for the Vivid Manga 1-5, as well as four of the 5 special fanservice covers. I need three things, and I hope somebody here has them.
1. A full version of the normal volume 5 cover (mine does not have the side covers, as you'll see)
2. The third fanservice cover (from Gamers)
3. An actual version of the fifth fanservice cover (mine is a composed version)

I am more then willing to share what I have:






I do have one more question. I found a second fanservice cover.... is it legit? And if it is, where the hell did it come from?



I also have another cover that I have no clue what it's from:
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Old 2011-11-13, 19:46   Link #30782
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Can anyone translate these comics for me?

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Old 2011-11-13, 20:30   Link #30783
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Nanoha - Archer
Yuuno - Caster
Fate - Lancer
Chrono - Archer

Vita - Berserker
Signum - Saber
Shamal - Caster
Hayate - Caster, Archer

Subaru - Saber, Berserker
Teana - Archer
Erio - Lancer
Caro - Rider
Lutecia - Rider
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Old 2011-11-13, 20:38   Link #30784
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Fate would be a Saber. Subaru can't be a Saber because she doesn't use a sword. Really she could only be a Berserker since there's no class that specialises in hand to hand.

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Old 2011-11-13, 20:57   Link #30785
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Every character listed is a Caster, since well, they're a mage.

Fate can become not just a Lancer but also Saber.

Chrono has the potential of an Assassin.

Signum have the potential of an Archer, but if and only if she can use her Bow Form as more than just an ultimate attack.

Hayate is not an Archer. An Archer's most important skill is to aim, and she's terrible without Rein.

Erio has the potential of an Assassin.

Sorry, could not resist since I'm a F/SN fan.
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Old 2011-11-13, 21:09   Link #30786
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OK guys, I need your help. I found the normal covers for the Vivid Manga 1-5, as well as four of the 5 special fanservice covers. I need three things, and I hope somebody here has them.
1. A full version of the normal volume 5 cover (mine does not have the side covers, as you'll see)
2. The third fanservice cover (from Gamers)
3. An actual version of the fifth fanservice cover (mine is a composed version)

I am more then willing to share what I have:






I do have one more question. I found a second fanservice cover.... is it legit? And if it is, where the hell did it come from?



I also have another cover that I have no clue what it's from:
Those are legit alright but that's all I really know/remembered. I need to look up more as to where they're from though... Unfortunately I can't help you but I think there should be another cover that had Nanoha and Einhart just like how there's a Fate/Vivio and Hayate/Miura one. Also I remember there were multipe versions of the covers for some of the volumes... not sure though...

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Fate would be a Saber. Subaru can't be a Saber because she doesn't use a sword. Really she could only be a Berserker since there's no class that specialises in hand to hand.

Shoot that's really cute. The art is just really nice too. What's going on though?

"Erio has the potential of an Assassin." Lol! I know this should be about Fate/Stay but since I'm currently watching Fate/Zero I just keep on seeing your comparison of Erio and the Assassins which just don't match.
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Old 2011-11-13, 21:34   Link #30787
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My take (purely based on weapon and/or skillset):
Nanoha: Archer
Fate: Saber(Zanber), Lancer(Bardiche and Scythe plus her speed - "Servants placed within this class, many of which are Heroic Spirits who were knights, are very agile, proficient in hit-and-run tactics that capitalize on range and speed, and skilled with long-range melee weapons" )
Chrono: Archer
Yuuno: Caster (Sphere Protection, Temporal Force Field and variants as Territory Creation, plus teleportation and dimensional transfer)

Vita: Berserker
Signum: Saber
Shamal: Caster
Hayate: Caster

Erio: Lancer, Rider (the dragon is borrowed, but still)
Subaru: Berserker, Rider (roller blades)
Teana: Archer, Assassin (Optic Hide as Presence Concealment)
Caro: Caster, Rider

Can't peg what's best for Zafira, Arf, and the cat twins

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Old 2011-11-13, 21:36   Link #30788
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Fate can't be a Lancer because she doesn't use a lance or a spear. It's that simple. She does have the agility needed for the class, though.

And no, Erio can't be an Assassin. Only Hassan can be summoned as Assassin (Kojiro was an abberation) because 1.) He's the etymology of the word assassin, and 2.) other assassins in the world are either a.) completely unknown or b.) not considered heros.

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Old 2011-11-13, 22:02   Link #30789
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Fate would be a Saber. Subaru can't be a Saber because she doesn't use a sword. Really she could only be a Berserker since there's no class that specialises in hand to hand.
Gilgamesh did not have a bow, and Archer used swords more often than arrows. It's not principly about the weapon.

The Lancer class is about speed, mid-range combat, and hit-and-run tactics.

Fate's weapon is always a pole-arm, whether a pole-axe, a scythe, or a massive sword on the end of a very long haft.

Fate's combat tactics have always been about speed, and fighting in a range that her opponent doesn't prefer. Against a long-range shooter like Nanoha, she tries to engage at close-range whenever possible. Against Signum, Fate has to stay outside of close-range whenever possible because of the Blazing General's superior strength.


The Saber class isn't so much about the sword, as I see it. Rather, they are the warriors who engage at close range and who stay in the thick of fighting, relying more on parrying and powerblows than on evasion for defense. Whereas a Lancer will retreat as a defense, a Saber will stand her ground against an assault.


Conversely, a Berserker doesn't care one whit for any defense, except the defense of making sure the opponent is dead as soon as possible. Which is why Vita would be a natural fit for the Berserker class even without her fits of rage.


The Archer from Fate/Stay Night was an Archer because he treated every sword he possessed as though it were an expendable arrow. He relied far more on choosing the right weapon for the job as though they were merely tools, rather than relying upon one weapon and his own swordsmanship.

He was a swordsman, yes, but he was not a Saber. If pressed too hard, he would not stand his ground with skill and power -- he would retreat and select a new strategy and tool which would allow him to win.

An Archer does not win by sheer strength and skill, but by intelligently pitting his advantages against his opponent's weaknesses.

This is also why Chrono would make a good Archer, even beyond his preference for ranged attacks.

Nanoha would classify for Archer almost on a technicality of being a ranged shooter, since she's generally more about overwhelming power than most Archers. But she also still has shades of the Archer class with her clever use of remote-controlled shots, and the way in which she turns a stronger opponent's power against them with Starlight Breaker.
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Old 2011-11-13, 22:22   Link #30790
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This isn't up for debate. Lancers use lances/spears, Sabers use swords, Archers use projectiles, and Berserkers have to have gone berserker at some point in their life.

This is not my interpretation or anything. These are the laws of the Nasu Universe.

Unlike Nanoha, Type Moon works have shit loads of background details and explainations for everything.

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Old 2011-11-13, 22:30   Link #30791
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Unlike Nanoha, Type Moon works have shit loads of background details and explanations for everything.
That's right. And this quote...

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Servants placed within this class, many of which are Heroic Spirits who were knights, are very agile, proficient in hit-and-run tactics that capitalize on range and speed, and skilled with long-range melee weapons
...is one of it. Fate=Lancer --> Plausible
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There's nothing long range about Bardiche when in default. It's reach isn't that far (not like she ever holds it by the butt end anyways) and she doesn't throw it.

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Old 2011-11-13, 23:08   Link #30793
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I think Fate can be one. Scythe form is far from a lance, yes, but she does occasionally use it to thrust rather than just swinging. She's actually classified as an All Rounder mage, so.
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Old 2011-11-14, 00:52   Link #30794
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Old 2011-11-14, 03:57   Link #30795
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Gilgamesh did not have a bow, and Archer used swords more often than arrows. It's not principly about the weapon.

The Lancer class is about speed, mid-range combat, and hit-and-run tactics.
It's as you said: Servant Classes are not limited by their namesakes. Gilgamesh and Rin's Archer were classed as such for having a number of powerful projectile weapons, the defining feature of the Archer class. This is the key part. Gilgamesh had Gate of Babylon, and he just shot them at the mongrels. Archer had his Faker skills and UBW -- he still shot the swords at people, and in UBW could control them to fly from any direction.

For these guys, swords weren't just for cutting.

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The Saber class isn't so much about the sword, as I see it. Rather, they are the warriors who engage at close range and who stay in the thick of fighting, relying more on parrying and powerblows than on evasion for defense. Whereas a Lancer will retreat as a defense, a Saber will stand her ground against an assault.
Negative. What qualifies as a Saber is a legendary status as a swordsman and very high baseline stats. Not anyone can be of the Saber class. FSN!Saber had those qualities, as does Fate/Extra's Saber. Additional Sabers include: Gawain, Siegfried, and Joan of Arc (qualified, but not summoned as Saber).

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Nanoha would classify for Archer almost on a technicality of being a ranged shooter, since she's generally more about overwhelming power than most Archers. But she also still has shades of the Archer class with her clever use of remote-controlled shots, and the way in which she turns a stronger opponent's power against them with Starlight Breaker.
Nanoha would classify as an Archer because of her power and skill regarding projectile weapons, not as a technicality. Both Gilgamesh and Archer had swords that could demolish mountains and destroy fortresses, and they could just shoot them at long range rather than stab.

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That's right. And this quote...
You left out the part that said "...usually spears and lances."

This is where I have to disagree with Fate being a Lancer, taking into account of how she uses Bardiche.

Yes, Fate uses Bardiche, a pole-arm; yes, it turns into a scythe; yes, she's ludicrously fast. That don't make her a Lancer. Even with all her speed, Fate had to get in close and attack. Her shooting spells don't count here, as that would be considered a separate noble phantasm. Lancers have the advantage of having a modicum of range in battle, thanks to their longer weapons.

What we've seen of Fate since StrikerS is a focus in using swords. Even in Force, chronologically the latest, she uses swords. Bardiche's pole-arm form has been relegated to active-standby. Now then, I will admit that her Big Boobs Sword mode could be considered a long-range melee weapon by sheer size... but it's still a sword.

EDIT: Erio would make a pretty decent Lancer though.

Mind you all that many notable Servants could have been summoned as a different class. FSN!Lancer could have been summoned as a Berserker; Gilgamesh could've been a Saber too, if he didn't care for getting close to the battle; FSN!Saber could've been a decent Rider (though a waste of her other skills).

Type-Moon are usually rigid in their definitions, but there's usually a bit of flexibility.
Unless Urobuchi Gen wrote the story. Then it's a goddamn tragedy AND YOU CAN DO NOTHING TO STOP IT.



This is how Fate dies.

Oh god 4am writing my brain is not working

ANOTHER EDIT: I'm regretting this already.
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^_^ Continue to regret it, cuz I'm going on Fate's defense right now.

Erio would make a decent Lancer. Correct. Now, do you ever wonder from whom he learned his skills?

^_^

Actually I've been getting myself involved into a lot of arguments, that's so weird of me...
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Old 2011-11-14, 04:15   Link #30797
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You left out the part that said "...usually spears and lances."
Usually, meaning that there's room for exception.

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Lancers have the advantage of having a modicum of range in battle, thanks to their longer weapons.
Longer? Bardiche and Strada are of similar length (at least, these pictures implied it. Unless there's a canon measurement?)


And IMO Fate is too squishy to be a Saber

Besides, the descriptions is actually pretty flexible. Jeanne de Arc counts as a Saber because of her ultimate weapon, but her primary one is a pole-arm, and Medusa become Rider despite never having used Pegasus, or any form of mount for that matters, in her entire life (and then there's contestable claims like Gilgamesh being Chaotic Good)
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Erio would make a decent Lancer. Correct. Now, do you ever wonder from whom he learned his skills?
Mostly Nanoha, Vita, and Signum, last I checked. I remember Fate regretting being unable to train him and Caro as much due to her having to make investigations.
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Old 2011-11-14, 06:26   Link #30799
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^_^ Continue to regret it, cuz I'm going on Fate's defense right now.

Erio would make a decent Lancer. Correct. Now, do you ever wonder from whom he learned his skills?

^_^

Actually I've been getting myself involved into a lot of arguments, that's so weird of me...
hah, frequent the AS Nano-boards long enough, and you'll become an argue monster without fail.
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Also, standard TSAB Belka device is a spear, so it's likely he learned the basics there.
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