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Old 2008-05-25, 04:17   Link #4081
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The exact meaning is "Child of Heaven". It's a gender-neutral title, like Tenno.




There was only one Emperess, and her title was Tianzi.




Seems you don't know how the title itself works.
In the older chinese language, Zhi = son, Nu = daughter
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Old 2008-05-25, 04:22   Link #4082
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In the older chinese language, Zhi = son, Nu = daughter
No, has two meanings: Child and son.

is "female", and becomes daughter when used in the family-related context.


Please don't think I don't know the characters: I've used them all my life.
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Old 2008-05-25, 04:27   Link #4083
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No, has two meanings: Child and son.

is "female", and becomes daughter when used in the family-related context.


Please don't think I don't know the characters.
My point here is, 天子 is only used to refer to the Son of Heaven. You are taking it out of context.

I do know that 子 means a child, but most early chinese people would rather use "女" or "女子" to describe a daughter rather than using "子".
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Old 2008-05-25, 04:33   Link #4084
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My point here is, 天子 is only used to refer to the Son of Heaven. You are taking it out of context.

I do know that 子 means a child, but most early chinese people would rather use "女" to describe a daughter rather than using "子".
I'm not taking the thing out of context, mate.

Yes, usually Tianzi would mean Son of Heaven. However, 子 itself was neutral, WHETHER OR NOT early or later Chinese used it, and therefore technically, it can mean "Daugher of Heaven" when used on a female. That's why the most "accurate" translation of Tianzi is "Child of Heaven".


In short, your idea that "early" Chinese used 子 to mean ONLY "son" is just a line of thought that has no backing.
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Old 2008-05-25, 04:41   Link #4085
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Someone please translate this LelouchxCC doujin it's so cute




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Old 2008-05-25, 04:43   Link #4086
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I'm not taking the thing out of context, mate.

Yes, usually Tianzi would mean Son of Heaven. However, 子 itself was neutral, WHETHER OR NOT early or later Chinese used it, and therefore technically, it can mean "Daugher of Heaven" when used on a female. That's why the most "accurate" translation of Tianzi is "Child of Heaven".


In short, your idea that "early" Chinese used 子 to mean ONLY "son" is just a line of thought that has no backing.
Not true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese...rms_of_address

Besides, check out some of the old Chinese documents or literature. You won't see someone referring to daughters as "zhi". It's just like how "er" is used only on boys in those days.

And "Kaiser" is gender-specific. Kaiserin is used on female emperors instead.
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Old 2008-05-25, 04:50   Link #4087
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Not true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese...rms_of_address

Besides, check out some of the old Chinese documents or literature. You won't see someone referring to daughters as "zhi". It's just like how "er" is used only on boys in those days.

And "Kaiser" is gender-specific. Kaiserin is used on female emperors instead.
1. That's because there was ONLY a single Emperess in history. The wiki info above is irrelevent to our discussion.

2. Again, for Heaven's sakes, Tianzi itself is a title. It's not your usual child, son, or daugther issue here. For all the damn you can argue, when 子 is used in a title, it's rendered gender-neutral. Let me ask you: Do you use the characters regularly in your life, or are you relying all your info in wiki and google?

3. The only gender-neutral title I mentioned was Tenno. Read my post again.
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Old 2008-05-25, 04:52   Link #4088
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Old 2008-05-25, 04:58   Link #4089
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1. That's because there was ONLY a single Emperess in history. The wiki info above is irrelevent to our discussion.

2. Again, for Heaven's sakes, Tianzi itself is a title. It's not your usual child, son, or daugther issue here. For all the damn you can argue, when 子 is used in a title, it's rendered gender-neutral.
You are not justifying your stand here.

The fact that there's only one Empress in chinese history doesn't change anything. The term itself was created to address to emperors, and Wu Zetian was a throne-usurper, Emperors of China were supposed to be male-only, since early Chinese were all sexists.

As for your third point, my fault. I read the wrong post.
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Old 2008-05-25, 06:28   Link #4090
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Someone please translate this LelouchxCC doujin it's so cute

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Old 2008-05-25, 08:01   Link #4091
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^ you think peoples available 24 hours to translate any doujins you find?

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Old 2008-05-25, 08:52   Link #4092
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I'm not taking the thing out of context, mate.

Yes, usually Tianzi would mean Son of Heaven. However, 子 itself was neutral, WHETHER OR NOT early or later Chinese used it, and therefore technically, it can mean "Daugher of Heaven" when used on a female. That's why the most "accurate" translation of Tianzi is "Child of Heaven".


In short, your idea that "early" Chinese used 子 to mean ONLY "son" is just a line of thought that has no backing.
i just asked a friend of mine who IS chinese and IS from china...and yes Tian Zi is usually referred to BOYS not girls. Zi can mean both one's child/boy...but Tian Zi has always/is usually referred to boys...
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Old 2008-05-25, 10:07   Link #4093
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i just asked a friend of mine who IS chinese and IS from china...and yes Tian Zi is usually referred to BOYS not girls. Zi can mean both one's child/boy...but Tian Zi has always/is usually referred to boys...
I dunno, could the reason Tian Zi always/is usually referred to boys is because its only for the emperor and almost all the emperors have been boys!?
For the record, I am a Chinese from China.

Now stop this stupid derailing of the thread and give us more pics!!
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Old 2008-05-25, 11:55   Link #4094
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Here's the cover of the first Sound Episode of R2



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Old 2008-05-25, 12:09   Link #4095
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Here's the cover of the first Sound Episode of R2



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C.C. looks a little different in this picture...
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Old 2008-05-25, 12:10   Link #4096
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Wow!
It seems OOC of Lelouch to serve C.C. pizzas!!! More pizza for C.C?!
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Old 2008-05-25, 12:11   Link #4097
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What the? Wasn't expecting something like that. And it includes all three of them, eh? For some reason, C.C. looks rather strange in that pic.
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Old 2008-05-25, 12:34   Link #4098
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What the? Wasn't expecting something like that. And it includes all three of them, eh? For some reason, C.C. looks rather strange in that pic.
Hurray for C.C enslaving the OOTBK in order to conquer PIZZA! XD But yeah, The whole pic does looks somewhat weird C.C especially >3 Stewart Lelouch is fitting enough though, as is cook Kallen, XD I mean, is C.C powerful mistress of the Geass or what? XD Haha, can't wait for this sound episode.
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Old 2008-05-25, 13:25   Link #4099
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What the? Wasn't expecting something like that. And it includes all three of them, eh? For some reason, C.C. looks rather strange in that pic.
See? at least it's brighter than the last one in terms of mood.
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Old 2008-05-25, 13:39   Link #4100
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I'm not sure if those two being her servants is a good thing or not. It's funny though I guess.
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