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* 13 33.33%
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*** 9 23.08%
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Old 2006-11-18, 21:27   Link #21
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its hard to swim just when wearing JEANS... let alone plate mail.
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Old 2006-11-18, 21:29   Link #22
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Just used that to point out his extreme lack of logical thinking
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Old 2006-11-18, 21:34   Link #23
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Excuse me, but are you stupid?

So you are saying that if you can wear a full, plate mail armor and walk and run around in it, you can swim with it too?
basically...training weights are not booeys or however you spell them...
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Old 2006-11-19, 02:48   Link #24
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Excuse me, but are you stupid?

So you are saying that if you can wear a full, plate mail armor and walk and run around in it, you can swim with it too?
You cant use everyday logic in the Naruto world.
He shouldnt even be able to walk with weights that heavy, so why would swimming be any different?
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Old 2006-11-19, 10:38   Link #25
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He can walk with his weights because his muscles in his legs are very strong and therefore he is able to balance and maintain an above average speed with them on. It's kind of like if you are overweight, the body gets stronger because it has to carry your weight around all the time. If you then suddenly lose allot of weight you will get allot faster.

However, if you are in water, you got nothing to support yourself on. The gravity will pull the weights down to the bottom and no matter how strong you are you will not be able to swim, that was my point.
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Old 2006-11-19, 17:49   Link #26
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actually when it comes to the water you are almost in a state of weightlessness. any diver that plans to go underwater needs to have on a weight belt. i forgot its been a long time for me but i believe the weight belt needs to be i think 1/4 of your total body weight to help keep you "bouyant" underwater or even with the other 100 or so pounds of diving gear, the BCD, tank, suit and fins. and being that he is on the surface of the water he is tryin hard to keep himself up with no control on stuff like a BCD to hold him in place.

and for swimming you need equal distribution of weight to maintain a streamline swimming motion. and it also holds true while underwater if something is not wedged you could even possibly lift a sunken vehicle or a large peice of metal or something cause weight really doesnt become a factor "underwater" on top is another story.im sorry im trying to sound technical and yet kinda confusing cause im trying to type this really fast before i head off to work.

but one last thing to add i think they were making it out that rock lee just wasnt capable of swimming and to use sakura as a device for showing what she can do. even though i personally think it would be retarded to become a ninja and not know how to swim.
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Old 2006-11-20, 03:20   Link #27
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Lol i used to Scuba dive all the time and I am 6'3 200 pounds and at most i would need 10 pounds. With 10 pounds in the ocean (which you are more boyant) i would sink like a rock. So take 150-200 pound Lee if that and slap 500 pounds of weight on him. You do the math imagin tieing a car to your leg with rope and trying to swim it would generate the same effect

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Old 2006-11-20, 04:02   Link #28
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Comparing real life physics to physics in an anime where people clone themselves from water, out of thin air or other materials, henge themselves into inanimate objects like shurikens, then throw themselves to then change back and surprise the opponent from behind, where people summon giant toads from the ground, make fireballs by blowing through their fingers, and best of all stand on top of water..

I mean, really.. isn't that a bit.. weird?
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Old 2006-11-20, 04:07   Link #29
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Wow... uh, I was just pointing out that the reason he may not have been able to swim was because he was heavy... didn't mean to throw the whole thread off topic.

Maybe Lee just fails as a swimmer... I dunno.
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Old 2006-11-20, 05:18   Link #30
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Well I finally watched this episode >_>;. Yea I watched it just now although I had it for a while lol, (had nothing else to do). Any way gave it 2 star's, lets see what’s there to discuss, nothing really except that these fillers keep making Konoha ninja's look worst then Udon. It's been done so much that it's just expected now.

Also, to be honest I think these fillers would be a lot more fun/better to watch for everyone, If they were not SO DAMN PREDICTABLE. Seriously, you watch ONE episode and you can pretty much guess how the rest of the arc will be. ~_~ We all know what’s going to happen, we all know what happened to his brother... etc..

As for the Lee's swimming discussion, its as simple as he cant swim, or the current was to strong because, Archimedes' Principle notes that an object submerged in water will weigh less than in air. The difference in weight is the weight of the water displaced by the object. So, weight was not the problem, if Lee can do Konoha Senpuu / Omote Renge with those weights on. Then he should have no problem inside water because they would weight significantly less. So I can only think that he cant swim, or the current (don’t forget the waterfall) was too strong.

If he could mold chakra he would just do what Sakura did, but here’s the truth. Considering how much those weights REALLY weight, if you were to apply Archimedes' Principle, I'm VERY surprised all the water in the lake did not jump out considering how much water would be displaced by those weights. Then again, this is Narutoverse law's of physic's don’t apply too much. Though if they did, it could mean he was not wearing his weights because all the water would jump the hell out as soon as he landed in there. If he was not wearing the weights then, he cant swim / cant swim against the current it was too strong. (Which is also hard to believe -_- because Lee's taijutsu is "Gōken", 剛拳, literally "Strong Fist" (a.k.a. "Iron Fist") HE'S STRONG, VERY.)
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Old 2006-11-21, 01:50   Link #31
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Dorky Physics

Listen to Knetter2000; the physics of Narutoís world is as zany as his Avatar Image. Or maybe the animators are looking to scrimp a yen or two and save a few hours of their lives. Hey, these are fillers after all: the producers are scraping the pits and corners of their budget for them. The studio making Naruto is capable of pretty good scenes after all (just watch Ep. 1 to 135).

And a thing or two about being encumbered in water and on land: On land, you get the support of the stratum a person is standing/walking/running on. The supporting force fully cancels out any load, assuming the stratum is rigid enough (i.e. not mud, quicksand) so the person wonít drive himself/herself into the earth. WATER, on the other hand, doesnít give a shit about supporting forces; thereís only buoyancy, and buoyancy in water only balances or thrusts up things that arenít denser than it. So, hypothetically, if Leeís weights are as flipping heavy as shown in the Chuunin exam, heís going to sink like a Sicily mobster thatís doomed to sleep with the fishes.

But seriously, I don't want to read any more shit with physics. Ask any swimmer and he/she will say it's less tiring to walk on land than swim in water. Otherwise we would have humans living underwater and building f*cking Atlantis.

And Guido, cute avatar. 0taku0, both your signature and avatar are disturbing. Nice Photoshop work, but, DAMN.

P.S. I hope that digging up the moldy parts of their funds for the fillers only means the Studio is keeping most of the cash for Naruto part II. If this is true, we would have a lot to look forward to.
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Old 2006-11-21, 10:34   Link #32
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actually, wouldnt his weights be alot HEAVIER now? considering how much stronger he is, he would have to increase the weight accordingly.
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Old 2006-11-21, 11:35   Link #33
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He guy's i read something...and it may be usefull to those who want the fillers to end...

According to the manga which should come out this week it would seem that:
(put it behind spoiler tags just in case, this is info about the ANIME alone...and not about any manga material..)
Spoiler for About Fillers:


Just thought i'd share it with you guys...
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Old 2006-11-21, 12:34   Link #34
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thats still 5 months... 6 if its near the end of April...
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Old 2006-11-21, 12:46   Link #35
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Yeah but once again...i am not sure if it was a joke...so i'll post it here for you guys after i've seen it...i guess we'll see how reliable that source was...

but it'd be better to have a date or month then to wait....for perhaps even another 12 months...
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Old 2006-11-21, 15:01   Link #36
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My question is: Why would Kishi tell us this? The anime is not his game, the manga is. If anybody was to release a date on the end of the fillers, it would be Studio Peirrot.

Also, think about this, if Kishi was to release a part 2 anime date, it might effect the anime viewer count in Japan negatively. I would assume many of the people who still watch the show, watch it to speculate and maybe find hints on the end of the fillers, I know I do. If everyone knew exactly when the fillers would end, many people would just stop watching until that date.
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Old 2006-11-21, 15:28   Link #37
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My question is: Why would Kishi tell us this? The anime is not his game, the manga is. If anybody was to release a date on the end of the fillers, it would be Studio Peirrot.

Also, think about this, if Kishi was to release a part 2 anime date, it might effect the anime viewer count in Japan negatively. I would assume many of the people who still watch the show, watch it to speculate and maybe find hints on the end of the fillers, I know I do. If everyone knew exactly when the fillers would end, many people would just stop watching until that date.
the only reason they are doing filler is so that Kishi can get ahead of the anime... if the anime gets ahead of the manga, it goes the way of Hellsing.
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Old 2006-11-21, 15:44   Link #38
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the only reason they are doing filler is so that Kishi can get ahead of the anime... if the anime gets ahead of the manga, it goes the way of Hellsing.
Yea, I know that... What does it have to do with what I said? All I said was it is not up to Kishi when fillers end, and even if he knew, he wouldn't be allowed to tell everyone because it might effect Naruto's (anime) ratings.
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Old 2006-11-21, 16:43   Link #39
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If i am correct one of the most recent manga covers had a picture on front of the new Naruto Movie...this is anime ofcourse aswell.

I think the Anime & Manga are more related to eachother then we think...they probably coöperate more then you'll know..
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Old 2006-11-21, 17:23   Link #40
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Yea, I know that... What does it have to do with what I said? All I said was it is not up to Kishi when fillers end, and even if he knew, he wouldn't be allowed to tell everyone because it might effect Naruto's (anime) ratings.
actually, its entirely up to the manga-ka. he decides when hes far enough ahead for the studio to continue with the anime. (almost wrote stupid instead of studio lol)

and the only thing that could really impede on it is profit. if the naruto manga became too sombre for the demographic, they could just cancel/continue with filler until it kills itself.

but with the money they are raking in, i doubt they'll cancel it.
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