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Old 2007-02-04, 20:03   Link #801
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I am not really sure about that, since C.C. seems to be a rather "selfish" character I can't picture her having such a goal. I'm still keen on the hypothesis brought by other people here that would most likely see C.C wishing to end her immortality (especially after hearing her line while she's bidding "see you in hell" to Mao) or even worse, her own life. Judging by all the informations we've seen so far in different episodes (a picture of her in what might be one of the world wars, her flashback showing a medieval-like setting and her flashback back when Mao was a young kid) it is clear that she does not age and she has probably lived for quite some time, which would also explain why her character seems to be bitter and in some cases unconcerned/realist.
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Old 2007-02-04, 20:06   Link #802
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I think people are missing the point here. I'm pretty sure Suzaku was trying to persuade his father to end the war in which they were being wasted, hence why we see him begging to his dad, his dad slaps him aside and Suzaku rushes him with the knife which I believe was just passion(but then again, he knife was immediate but I doubt he fully intended to kill him like that but as a last resort). Eitherway it ended the war, strangely enough whoever called the Britannian forces and surrendered.
It did look like Suzaku was arguing with his dad at first, then he punched his dad which caused his dad to slap him away and then Suzaku knifed him. The true qns is where did the knife come from? Was it just lying around or did Suzaku bring it for that purpose?
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Old 2007-02-04, 20:12   Link #803
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It did look like Suzaku was arguing with his dad at first, then he punched his dad which caused his dad to slap him away and then Suzaku knifed him. The true qns is where did the knife come from? Was it just lying around or did Suzaku bring it for that purpose?
I suppose he brought the knife with himself and originally had the plan to stab his father anyway, except he probably thought he would first try to convince his dad to stop him by talking to him. Though in the end he had to resort to his initial plan to kill him. Also the fact that his dad slapped him quite soon in the scene it makes me suspect that it wasn't the first time they had an arguement over that issue (the war against Britannia) which might explain why Suzaku acted so drastically towards him.
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I think his dad slapped him cause Suzaku started hitting him.
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Old 2007-02-04, 21:34   Link #805
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I wonder if CC's goal is to find a king for her people? After hearing all the talks in the show about Geass being the power of a king, I just can't help but think of it that way.
hmm by the spoiler interview, CC was a human before. So I don't think there will be 'her people' kinda thing. However your idea can be true if it is in a sense of her children. Seems like CC uses to work in a church before and it wouldn't be weird if those children you saw in ep1 flashes is from the same church and get turned immortal along with her. They are now trapped in those capsules you saw from times to times during the series.
CC then would want a king who can create a world where those children can live freely (unlikely the current Britania).
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Old 2007-02-05, 05:41   Link #806
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The true qns is where did the knife come from? Was it just lying around or did Suzaku bring it for that purpose?
I guess we'll get to see the whole scene sooner or later or at least some more explanations. Probably in the last 3 eps
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Old 2007-02-05, 08:37   Link #807
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Okay, now that we know there is going to be another classic Sunrise plot device called "stuck on a deserted island", it got me thinking about what else the Code Geass team could dream up.

VCV Speculation:

We have a masked man, a prototype mecha, strange romantic relationships, so what else?

Why, a miniature death-star and/or colony drop of course!

So what if instead of a super mecha, Lelouch got himself a satellite cannon?

When it seemed all hope was gone, and tens of thousands of mass-produced Lancelot Knightmares were moving towards the recently-liberated Japan, Zero will save the day by vaporising the entire army! Then he would drop the energy-depicted satellite on wherever his father was located and thus complete the Gundam homage!
(This would actually suit Lelouch's personality much more than fighting Suzaku in a mech.)

Seriously, Lelouch looked like Cobra Commander from GIJoe anyway. Might as well play the part properly. I would forgive Sunrise for making GSD if they did the above.
we need nakkid of [insert the following individuals, or all : Milly, Euphie, CC, Shirley] stucks on an island first
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Old 2007-02-05, 10:34   Link #808
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we need nakkid of [insert the following individuals, or all : Milly, Euphie, CC, Shirley] stucks on an island first
I presume they'll have to repopulate the Earth although they're all females.

If Lelouch wants to see CC naked , he just has to put her on fire , her clothes will burn , but she'll regenerate.
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Old 2007-02-05, 11:40   Link #809
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I presume they'll have to repopulate the Earth although they're all females.

If Lelouch wants to see CC naked , he just has to put her on fire , her clothes will burn , but she'll regenerate.
that seems a little excessive. even for Lelouch. he's a murderer, not a sadist. 0_o

and you have to remember that Lelouch has already seen CC naked, back in episode 11. he even mentions taking a picture of the scar, and you can guess what that means. Guess he wasn't really lying to Mao at all back at Clovis Land. he just implied a lie. -_-b
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Old 2007-02-05, 12:42   Link #810
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hmm by the spoiler interview, CC was a human before.
That doesn't mean she cannot consider them as her people. Especially if they provided her with a home, while humanity could not...and if C.C. was a human before, then that means she's currently not anymore. Therefore they might very well be her people now. Right now, she's a stranger in an unholy land, to take up a certain expression.
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It could be possible, although, at first, I thought that Power of the King referred to the (coercive) power/authority a king could hold over a simple person. Well, maybe the power of geass is something meant for a candidate to the throne, but then it brings a few questions to the fore - like, 'what are the requirements to be a geass user, in C.C.'s PoV?' and 'was Mao a viable candidate to become the king of C.C.'s people?' I don't think she's doing that completely randomly - there must be a pattern somewhere, and she isn't doing that judging from the candidates' appearance only.

Nevertheless, in the event that Lelouch cannot go back to the society he helped change, even if he does win in the end and fulfills his vow to get retribution, it is possible that he'd follow C.C. and enter a world where Nunnally (provided she survives till the very end) can live in peace without hiding and/or pretending. A fresh start for her - and him, especially if his view on human society get more and more jaded by the day. It'd be, in a way, their paradise.

But I wonder why C.C. would have to choose a king among humans rather than from her own people...
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Old 2007-02-05, 13:01   Link #811
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But I wonder why C.C. would have to choose a king among humans rather than from her own people...
Well - Geass powers don't work on her. It could be thats because she's the one who gave the powers - or its that they don't work on 'her' people.
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episode 17: preview on official site is out.
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Old 2007-02-05, 16:15   Link #813
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Well, I'm impressed by this series so far, since I was expecting "just another generic mech show." Really, Lelouch makes for a great anti-hero type character and his alter-ego is just too deliciously theatrical.
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Anyway, I don't know how much of my personal speculations have been covered by the other posters here, but here are my thoughts.

Lelouch (Zero) is symbolically the "Black King" and Suzaku (Lancelot) is the "White King." This refers to the major players on either side of the chess board. This leads me to believe that both characters, will at some point be major contenders to the Britannian throne. Suzaku will likely have a shot at this through Euphemia, his love interest. And since they've proposed giving her a bodyguard "knight," I think it's obvious that Suzaku will be doing some ladder climbing. Lelouch will have his shot since he is technically a prince and has overwhelming support as Zero.

Speculating about the Geass, or the "Power of the King," I suspect that this power is what may have fueled the Britannian Empires conquest and expansion. The current Emperor is a huge proponent of having a worthy heir to the throne as well as "survival of the fittest." I suspect this may be due to some sort of selection process involving the Geass. (I also wonder if the Emperor has some sort of badass Geass power.) We've seen how effective Lelouch is as Zero, so it's not a far cry to assume that the Geass in the hands of an Emperor would prove to be an overwhelming advantage. This leads me to speculate that each Emperor is given the Geass and stays Emperor depending on whether that power is mastered. CC was being illegally researched under the nose of the aristocracy. This is clearly a kind of power that the Emperor wants to keep for himself and his heirs.

CC has indicated that Mao is a "failure," and she implies this is because Mao was insufficient in mastering his power, that he could neither come to terms with it or live without it. Had Mao mastered his power, he would've made an excellent general and been well-tuned to the wishes of his followers. Similarily, should Lelouch fail, he will become the kind of person who is utterly dependent on his powers of command in order to act. That is, he'd become the ultimate tyrant. Should Lelouch fail to master his power, I suspect CC would end up finding another potential candidate. I also suspect that the nature of a power varies with the modus operandi of each person: they're given the type of power that would most personify their brand of leadership.

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Old 2007-02-05, 16:46   Link #814
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Some quite important spoilers from Animage February's Okouchi interview, translated/paraphrased by Celiss Galvea at GameFAQs:
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(About Lelouch: Has he never been in love?)
I wouldn't say that he has never been in love, but I guess it depends on what your definition of "love" is. He's the type who would never confess his love.

(About C.C. and Geass)
Rather than saying that C.C. is able to "give" a person power, it would be more appropriate to say that she can awaken the power sleeping inside the individual. Therefore the Geass differs from one person to another.
Which explains why C.C. cannot use the Geass herself. She doesn't have it per se. An interesting thing to note is that the word 'Geass' came to Lelouch's mind during the contract, yet C.C. didn't seem to know of it when she met him for the second time...perhaps the word came forth with Lelouch's awakening?

On another thought, maybe C.C. has the ability to discern the properties of the Geass should the recipients be awakened...which is why she chose Lelouch and Mao out of many individuals...perhaps they suited her goals best.

Another interesting theory by Celiss Galvea, btw:
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There is supposedly a connection between C.C. and Marianne somewhere, and in episode 7 C.C. mentions that "the blood does not rebel" (a phrase meaning that children take after their parents) when supposedly talking about Lelouch with whoever it is she's talking to. Is she saying that Lelouch takes after Marianne, or that Lelouch takes after the Emperor? More importantly, since it's stated that C.C. may be indirectly talking with the Emperor via the Spirit World, could it be that C.C. and the Emperor both regularly talk to... Marianne? C.C. doesn't sound very respectful when "talking" with the other side though ("Who do you think I am?" and "I'm not his (Lelouch's) guardian, you know")
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Old 2007-02-06, 00:07   Link #815
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On another thought, maybe C.C. has the ability to discern the properties of the Geass should the recipients be awakened...which is why she chose Lelouch and Mao out of many individuals...perhaps they suited her goals best.
I'd guess you could then say that each specific instance of "Geass" would vary according to a person's inner potential/personality and ambitions/desires, in other words.

It could "awaken" a certain kind of power that already exists, at least in abstract form, in one of those spheres, in order to serve each user's personal "goals".

Mao didn't want to be alone, for example, so he basically received unlimited voices in his head to keep him company (and to slowly drive him mad and C.C.-obsessed, heh).

Lelouch wants to destroy Britannia through manipulation, revenge and deception, imposing his own vision of a "better future" for his sister even if he has to go against the entire world to do so...he gets the power to command others in order to realize all of this, but a few side effects have already shown up (megalomania and unintended consequences) .

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Which explains why C.C. cannot use the Geass herself. She doesn't have it per se. An interesting thing to note is that the word 'Geass' came to Lelouch's mind during the contract, yet C.C. didn't seem to know of it when she met him for the second time...perhaps the word came forth with Lelouch's awakening?
That sounds reasonable, but then again I think that Mao did use the term and thus it's logical to assume that C.C. had at least heard about it from him too, even if she didn't directly tell Mao about it either (maybe, as you mention, the word first comes up during each "awakening")...unless she was just being too casual about the matter.

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Another interesting theory by Celiss Galvea, btw:
Interesting, and pretty plausible, but you never know...we know almost nothing about Marianne right now.

That reminds me...you know, I've always been thinking about the Emperor possibly having some sort of Geass power or, at least, being the former user of it (he may now have other abilities that surpass his original ones, as hinted at by his "talks" with the Spirit World). Maybe that has also something to do with his former Empress's fate (his open indifference aside).
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That sounds reasonable, but then again I think that Mao did use the term and thus it's logical to assume that C.C. had at least heard about it from him too, even if she didn't directly tell Mao about it either (maybe, as you mention, the word first comes up during each "awakening")...unless she was just being too casual about the matter.
But since Mao can hear thoughts, it's possible that he could have learnt the word from Lelouch's mind and used it in turn.
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Old 2007-02-06, 10:55   Link #817
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But since Mao can hear thoughts, it's possible that he could have learnt the word from Lelouch's mind and used it in turn.
That's also possible, technically, but he seemed to be pretty familiar / comfortable with it (talking about "my Geass" and not just referring to Lelouch's).

Again, Mao also had to make a contract to gain his power (nothing has contradicted this yet), so I suppose he had to go through a similar "vision" / "supernatural" experience, etc.
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That's also possible, technically, but he seemed to be pretty familiar / comfortable with it (talking about "my Geass" and not just referring to Lelouch's).

Again, Mao also had to make a contract to gain his power (nothing has contradicted this yet), so I suppose he had to go through a similar "vision" / "supernatural" experience, etc.
while there's always that possibility I guess, I think this really comes down to the same reason that everyone in code geass speaks Japanese:
simplicity.

though its always nice to have a reason for everyone to know of the power as "geass", small timeline inconsistencies like this inevitably pop up. ^_^b
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Old 2007-02-06, 13:21   Link #820
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Of course it won't end there since the next ep already has Lancelot on the "offensive" aka falling into a trap.
And Lulu wants to recruit Suzaku, no matter what.
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