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View Poll Results: Code Geass Episode 9 Rating
Perfect 10 16 23.19%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 22 31.88%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 18 26.09%
7 out of 10 : Good 8 11.59%
6 out of 10 : Average 3 4.35%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 1.45%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 1 1.45%
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Old 2006-12-13, 18:59   Link #121
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It's a "what if", Majek. No need to over-react. He was suggesting that just because Britannia might be the present badguys, doesn't mean removing the Britannian Empire would make everything alright again. The EU or Asian Federation could have their own aspiring dictators, just waiting for the right moment to take over as the new world power.
EEU is run by the mob (Democracy at its finest) and the Chinese Federation makes its citizens equal (Communism with a classless society).

I don't see how it's possible for them to be run by dictators for either nation.

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Essentially, Lulu has two goals; to avenge his mother's death by crushing the Brittanian Empire, and to create a safer world for his sister. Evil plushie is merely saying that creating a safer world for his sister might take far more than just removing Britannian influences from Japan.
It's better if Lulu just takes over Britannia. He'll make himself the most powerful man in the world and anything can be done with the flick of his hand. To cause Britannia to collapse could create an even more dangerous world for his sister.
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Old 2006-12-13, 20:11   Link #122
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EEU is run by the mob (Democracy at its finest) and the Chinese Federation makes its citizens equal (Communism with a classless society).

I don't see how it's possible for them to be run by dictators for either nation.
Hitler was democratically elected; while Stalin was a dictator in every sense of the word, within a communist state. Something like the collapse of a major power like Britannia would cause a global power-shift and policy changes, thus you can't simply assume how things had been before, would stay the way they are after Lelouch did his thing.
After all, Lelouch isn't the only person in the world with ambitions around here.
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Old 2006-12-13, 20:38   Link #123
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It will be interesting to see the how these other ambitions will affect how Lulu will play out his moves. If Lulu does succeed in killing the emperor and his heirs, how would the world react, would the other conquered areas rise up in revolt, would the other major powers use the chance to invade Britannia and would all the Britannian generals acknowledge him if he decides to take power? etc etc
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Old 2006-12-13, 21:14   Link #124
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Hitler was democratically elected; while Stalin was a dictator in every sense of the word, within a communist state. Something like the collapse of a major power like Britannia would cause a global power-shift and policy changes, thus you can't simply assume how things had been before, would stay the way they are after Lelouch did his thing.
After all, Lelouch isn't the only person in the world with ambitions around here.
I doubt that were going to delve much deeper into either the EEU or the Chinese federation to see some guy take control and then establish a dictatorship like Hitler did(Plus, I don't think either country is in the same situation as Germany or the Soviet union were in, I doubt there's some major depression and such). The USSR I never considered an actual communist country either. The focus here is on Lelouch and Britannia.

So until further notice in this alternate universe I'm assuming that the EEU and the Chinese Federation are the true points of democracy and communism where everyone is treated equal, wealth is distributed equally and in a classless society.

However I cannot argue that either federation would take advantage of the chaos that Britannia would be thrown into (Dictator or not, my argument is mainly that a dictator is not needed). I mean seriously, who wouldn't take advantage of the situation when the most powerful country in the world has collapsed? It's like taking candy from a baby and their already skirimishing or at war with each other.

Actually now that I think about it, wouldn't it be easier if Lelouch just move to China or Europe and take control of them? If his aim is to destroy Britannia he could very well accomplish that effectively with them under his rule.
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Old 2006-12-13, 22:05   Link #125
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However I cannot argue that either federation would take advantage of the chaos that Britannia would be thrown into (Dictator or not, my argument is mainly that a dictator is not needed). I mean seriously, who wouldn't take advantage of the situation when the most powerful country in the world has collapsed? It's like taking candy from a baby and their already skirimishing or at war with each other.
Coupled with the possibility that if Britannia rises again, both Federations will be facing the empirical threat once again. The only problem is with any possible criticisms and the support from the people. Then again, since the focus is on Lelouch and Britannia as you say, let's not delve into it too much.

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Actually now that I think about it, wouldn't it be easier if Lelouch just move to China or Europe and take control of them? If his aim is to destroy Britannia he could very well accomplish that effectively with them under his rule.
Plausible, but you need to consider the several factors keeping Lelouch in Japan/Area 11.

-Nanaly's condition. Wherever she is, Lelouch will be. He can't possibly travel so quickly overseas to plan the destruction of Britannia without inconveniencing his sister greatly. Perhaps that was what he meant when he was talking to C.C about the GEASS speeding up his plans.

-The possibility of his identity being revealed. It was said that staying in Japan helped conceal his identity as an exiled prince of Britannia, thanks to Shirley's family. What happens if he tries to travel overseas? There's always the chance of being spotted and recognized by someone. Perhaps he did not wish to take such a risk so early, no matter how small it may seem.
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Old 2006-12-14, 04:31   Link #126
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But don´t you think with Lacus v2 and her brownhaired knight that Britannia won´t fall apart? The ending I see now is Euphie (?) taking over at the end, setting all the areas free once again without sacrificing Britannia and its citizens. A real happy ending for all the good guys.


(But it could just be me and my silly christmas mood that makes me see such an ending. )
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Old 2006-12-14, 05:08   Link #127
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I'm not sure Euphie would survive that long. Once cornelia goes, I suspect euphie will probably be killed by some of the other heirs to the throne, considering her disposition.
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Old 2006-12-14, 07:15   Link #128
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I'm not sure Euphie would survive that long. Once cornelia goes, I suspect euphie will probably be killed by some of the other heirs to the throne, considering her disposition.
Glad to see I am not the only person who believe Cornelia was the only thing that kept Euphie alive this long. Assuming Euphie is not pulling a Lacus in being secretly a cut-throat politician, her kind and gentle mannerisms should be more than enough signs for the vultures circling to treat her as a soft target.
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Old 2006-12-14, 07:36   Link #129
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Well, in all honesty. I haven´t thought about that but it seems logical enough and I can´t say that I have any facts that backs up my feeling.

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And with Cornelia around, is there any room or need for Euphie to build up a strong organization backing her up when the time comes? I got the feeling that Suzaku at the moment is her organization/army.

But one way or another I just don´t see Euphie losing her life in the show. Even though her future may not be as a ruler in Britannia.
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Old 2006-12-14, 07:52   Link #130
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I think she'd make a perfect puppet figurehead so i don't really belive someone will want to off her once Cornelia's gone, afterall killing her doesn't acomplish much yet , using her is much more beneficial.

I see Kallen die before Euphie while CC is already a zombie anyway:P
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Old 2006-12-14, 07:53   Link #131
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Well, there's always Suzaku and his big super-enhanced mecha to the rescue, so it'll take a bit to dispose of her.
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Old 2006-12-14, 07:55   Link #132
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Highly unlikely IMO.. Currently, she got Cornelia protecting her .. then *if* Cornelia is off, I think they still wont consider her a threat .. thus she would prolly be the last in the line.. She's easy target as you say, they got higher threats to handled ie each other successors.
Heck, if Zero off Cornelia, they are more likely to worry about their asses first -- against a Zero (or OoBK) threat(before getting the idea to tick off Yuffie for the throne race).
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Old 2006-12-14, 08:13   Link #133
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The way you all put it, I get vibes of Euphie pulling a Griffith on Suzaku if Cornelia bites the dust.

Which is also imo one of the few ways I can genuinely see goody-2-shoe Suzaku hooking up with PRINCESS Euphie.
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Old 2006-12-14, 08:16   Link #134
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That really depends on if the King disowns her. If he does, they might not consider her that great a threat, like you said. But i find this unlikely considering Lelouch was disowned and he knows he's not safe despite all that. Same for euphie. Plus, she wouldn't be the first disowned heir to the throne who got offed after she got disowned.

Heirs are always dangerous, no matter how weak they seem or how far they are in the succession. It's always better to kill off the weak ones first than the strong ones.

As for her being a puppethead, the other heirs wouldnt need a puppethead. The non-heir nobles might but she probably would be a terrible figurehead. She's not strong enough to be respected by soldiers like Cornelia and so far it seems that the true strength of Britiannia lies within its army.
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Old 2006-12-14, 18:18   Link #135
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You are all assuming that Euphie is some weak person. If she is indeed supposed to mirror Lacus, and some of her actions points towards that, then she is a much smarter and more dangerous person than what you are saying right now. She probably has back-up plans in waiting to be sprung at the right moment.

As for Lulu, from what I can tell, he's still a legitimate successor to the throne of Brittania. If he eliminates everyone else, including the emperor, and becomes emperor himself, Brittania probably will not be in chaos, since he is succeeding the throne the way his father wants it to be done.

As for Suzaku, though I like Kira, I do not like Suzaku. Kira had idealism and always tried to do what was right for everyone and to protect everyone. Suzaku just has blind justice (similar to Shinn) and does what he believes is right, regardless of what anyone else says. For a guy who is trying to be a good idealist, he is stubborn and ignorant of who is truly helping him (so it seems he is contradictory or hypocrital in some ways).

Suzaku and Euphie will probably help each other achieve their respective goals, since they both have what the other needs. Suzaku needs a way to get inside and change the system, and Euphie will be able to do that for him. Euphie needs someone to support her ideals and help her accomplish them, and Suzaku will do that with no questions asked.

Btw, for as much as I love Lacus as a character, I just don't have the same vibes for Euphie. She just feels a like a cheap imitation of the original.
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What actions of hers have shown that?
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What actions of hers have shown that?
Indeed. It takes far more than just looking similar to make Euphie a new Lacus. As of now, Euphie had shown no sign of true political influence, and doesn't look to be in any position to over power any of the other heirs. In Euphie's position, Lacus would have killed at least two of her siblings by now.
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Aww.. VCV.. Now that just mean to Lacus.. She's an Angel
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Old 2006-12-15, 00:13   Link #139
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Aww.. VCV.. Now that just mean to Lacus.. She's an Angel
I didn't say she isn't, but she's a kind Angel only to those she loves. To her mortal enemies, Lacus might as well be brandishing a flaming sword.

Part of Lacus Clyne's status as a near-deity in GSD, is generated by her ability to walk the political tightrope with her eyes closed and one hand tied behind her back. Right now, Euphie isn't even close.

At the very least, she should have gained some leverage over her own sister, but even that wasn't done. If Euphie can't even get what she wants from a sister who loves her, what's the chance she could get what she needs in the corridors of power against hostile nobles?
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Old 2006-12-15, 00:31   Link #140
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A thought just hit me..

Back in GS, Lacus was just the president's daughter .. then her father got killed.. and then she rosed up to the challenge ... Thanks to a wonderfull knight that she already known a while before then ..
Same thing here, Yuffie is the little sister .. then her protector could get kill some time later .. And she already know Suzaku >.<

The similarities scares me
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