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Old 2009-10-29, 01:34   Link #4101
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Awwww, you're so mean!

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Kay, I'll end it here.

Athena was lonely, and desired someone to free her from her loneliness. Anyone would do. Hayate happened to be there. It's a fact that only Ayumu & Hinagiku love Hayate, Nagi has only accepted his love, but hasn't declared it back. Same with Athena. If I don't see TEXT with these words in exact order "I LOVE YOU", then no matter what that character does is BS, and a troll.

Isumin' = Nothing to add. Can't say what Isumin' said about Athena without first knowing her well.


10 second example: zod is not the type of person to not help a granny across the street!

Can you deny that? Well, of course you can. Easily! Why? Because you yourself know if it's true or not, and I don't know anything about you, yet I stated that.

Something similar with Isumin', unless she knows her.

GAME OVER

SCORE: 43826151


Errrrr! Adding: Nagi accepted his "love". A misunderstanding of course. Haha!


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Uhm, well, I'm too tired to continue this battle of perspectives and opinions, with a fundamental lack of facts. I'll retire for the.. sadly.. sunny day.. grrrrr! Why does this place have windows? Tch..

Ah, well...

Good night(day) people~

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Old 2009-10-29, 01:49   Link #4102
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Old 2009-10-29, 01:58   Link #4103
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Athena was lonely, and desired someone to free her from her loneliness. Anyone would do. Hayate happened to be there. It's a fact that only Ayumu & Hinagiku love Hayate, Nagi has only accepted his love, but hasn't declared it back. Same with Athena. If I don't see TEXT with these words in exact order "I LOVE YOU", then no matter what that character does is BS, and a troll.
For the first sentence, you just re-stated my statement...

If you think Athena does not love Hayate after all of these chapters. I think ,like you, I'll go LOL. Yeehhh, whatever.

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10 second example: zod is not the type of person to not help a granny across the street!
WFT? How do you know?

3 secs example?
Rah is not the type of person that can get beat up by an old lady since Rah is "so incredibly strong."

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Old 2009-10-29, 09:44   Link #4104
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Man if Hata said the fight would be over the next chapter it would either be them escaping, Machina suppressing, or Hayate dying.

Of course I want the tragic one, I'm a frickin Masochist.

I'm just watching the Anime currently, just to quell my boredom.

Wish me luck.
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Old 2009-10-29, 10:32   Link #4105
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Damn, zod has a thick skull.

Brainwashing ain't working, guys! Get the huge antenna, and a lightning storm! We're gonna tie him to it and call UFOS!


Retarded version 9.6: Hurrrrr! I see no written text. I no understanding hints! She must be just a slu**y 7 year old for kissing him like that. I see no love! It's not written anywhere that she loves him (she didn't say it personally). You can't deny that, if you can't disprove me! (like I said, I might be wrong, because I can't remember shit!). Until she says "Hayate, I love you", or even thinks about it, I won't consider it love. Neither should you.

Nothing else to add. For real this time. Maybe. Perhaps...

Until zod replies with rage. xD


As for Isumi... yet again...

If you don't know a person you can't say with certainty what they would, or what they wouldn't do. Isumi did just that. She said that Athena isn't that type of person to let something like that possess her. Now, I don't know what's Mr. Hata thinking, but she can't state such a thing with certainty without knowing well that person, and don't tell me that she based it on what she heard about her, or her impression of her, because that's, yet again, BS.

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Old 2009-10-29, 11:18   Link #4106
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Blah blah blah...
3+1-2-2+6-3-3+8-5+3-2-1+0+-3+9-9+8-8+7-7+6-6+5-5+4-4+3-3+2-2+1-1+3+.14=3.14

"She is not by nature the type of person that would be possessed by that." How did you come up with the "let?" You "understand no hints" and "let" isn't written anywhere either...

Joking, aside, it makes sense if Isumi sense/knew/realize that Athena has monstrous power which she does, and of course, with Isumi's knowledge of the honored spirit...I don't see anything wrong with that statement...WTF, am I defending Hata?
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Old 2009-10-29, 11:39   Link #4107
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Lol zod!

Defending Hata.. lol omg hahaha!


*calms down*

Okay, look. I'll make it really simple this time. Promise!

For Athena: Yeah, she probably loves him, and we understand that just by looking at how she acts, or at least it should be like that. But until she confesses clearly to him, you can still doubt her actions! Perhaps she had an ulterior motive? Perhaps she lied? And so on.... (oh, and even a confession could be a lie... damn... even Hina lied, and it was all staged! lol, okay I'm going overboard again! xD)

For Isumin': Okay, Athena is really powerful. BUT! Does Isumin' know if she's a good or evil person? What if she's a power hungry witch, that's not satisfied with her own powers, and desires more? Does Isumin' know that? All I'm trying to say....

If Isumin' doesn't know her, she can't jump to conclusions that she didn't want to get possessed in the first place. Perhaps she made an opening for it to possess her, or she made a deal with him (Midas).

If she does know her, though, she can use that knowledge, and her subjective view of her to state that she's not the type of person to let such a thing possess her. She's really smart, strong, beautiful, from a really renown family, etc... and she's just too proud to let something control her.

Okay, but do you know the real her? Everyone wears a "mask" in public. Perhaps she was hiding something from her if they were friends? And so on...


Let's make it easy, and just blame Hata for not clarifying things well enough!
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Old 2009-10-29, 12:38   Link #4108
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Your reasons are logical.

From my perspective, I think it is natural for anyone to assume that people would not want to get possessed by a spirit. Although off topic, I think Athena's case is the same.
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Old 2009-10-29, 13:19   Link #4109
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Haha! Well, sorry, but I like complicating, and dragging things out... making it more confusing and such. It's fun!

All I wanted to say during all these posts was what I said in the post before this one. Perhaps sleep cleared my senses?

Plus, to me details are more important than the main picture.. more times that I'd like. Hehe...
If you get confused by my posts again, try thinking like I do.. (if you care lol). That's like...

Ummm... cut a segment out of the big picture and analyze it a trillion times. Find something interesting about it and make a 10 page discussion about how pointless it is. <3

No wait.. I don't think that's right. Damn, I don't understand myself. Hahaha, jeez!


Anyway, still no spoilers. :/
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Old 2009-10-29, 13:22   Link #4110
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Bleh. This last chapter felt like typical shounen drivel, to be honest. And Hayate's stupidity is really starting to get to me (did he really forget that Athena didn't have parents around when he met with her?). Hayate's stupidity used to be ok before, but now Hata's using it as a plot device to try to push the story along.

Losing interest in this series fast, better do something Hata. Namely, get Hayate to use his freaking super move.
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Old 2009-10-29, 13:30   Link #4111
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You and leo both, eh?

What exactly are you referring to with "Hayate's stupidity"? He's not in control of the current situation, and I seriously doubt that even his super move can do anything to Midas. Plus, he's in no condition to do anything like that.

Isumin' & Athena have the strongest offensive powers, like Used Can said. I think he needs to snap her out of his control (probably an overused move, but the typical confession might work to bring her back, or just temporarily bring her to her senses, so they may escape, or something else..), or use the gem to bargain with him (threatening to break it, trade for the life of Isumin', if it comes to that, etc..), and not use force, because it clearly won't work.

If that was Isumin's ultimate attack (against 1 arm at that), then they've seriously lost...
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Old 2009-10-29, 13:32   Link #4112
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Rah, your point of view is logical, but I think mine is also acceptable.

Who can blame Hayate...He is the 1000 master of causing misunderstandings (Maria and Ayumu are on my side).


Haha...for force, it would be unexpected if Hayate somehow comes up to Athena forcing a hug on her really really tight, and she can't let go. That's some force for ya.

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Old 2009-10-29, 13:45   Link #4113
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Nooooooo! Don't be nice to me! I can't take it.... ugh..... reverse psychology! *paranoia levels drastically increase to dangerous levels*

THE AIR IS MY ENEMY! BREATHING IS AN EVIL PROCESS! THE EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE IS CONSPIRING AGAINST ME! IT WANTS TO POSSESS ME! NOOOOO!!!


Okay, now I seriously want to see how it turns out.

Was that Isumin's ultimate attack? Is Midas truly unstoppable? Will there be another interruption? Can Hayate bring Athena back to her senses before the situation goes from bad to worse? What is Midas's goal? Will he return to the RG while still possessing Athena? Is it finally time for Maria to become more involved with the main plot (her past)? How will Nagi and Ayumu react to the news that Hayate loves someone else?

... Oh, Damn. I'm overloading it!

*kkkzzzttttttt* Buffer overflow.. Error! Error! System Failure! *BSOD*
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Old 2009-10-29, 14:09   Link #4114
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All Hail Lelouch???!!!

What is the relationship between Maria and Athena? What will Maria's reaction to the news of Hayate confession (for some reasons, I want to know)? What are Miki, Izumi, Isumi's reaction? Where is Himegami and what is his objective? What is Mikado's objective? Why does Athena want to go to RG? Was Lelouch dead? What will happen to mankind in 2012? Why am I typing this?

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Old 2009-10-29, 14:15   Link #4115
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Hayate's stupidity is really starting to get to me (did he really forget that Athena didn't have parents around when he met with her?). Hayate's stupidity used to be ok before, but now Hata's using it as a plot device to try to push the story along.
THIS

More than that, Machina just told him all what Athena had gone through. Yet, I seems Hayate didn't listen to a word he said.

This is why I hate plot induced stupidity.
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Old 2009-10-29, 15:07   Link #4116
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All Hail Lelouch???!!!
ALL HAIL RURUSHU! (not referring to myself - avatar, but the real Lelouch)


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What is the relationship between Maria and Athena?
All I can say is that Maria looked well off with a suspicious straw hat (like Nagi's) in the EoTW arc. Who was taking care of her? Mikado or someone like Klaus?

The whole abandoned part is suspicious. Especially after Hata said that she'll play an important role in the future. She's probably strongly tied to the events from the past, or it wont have much impact otherwise. Well, at least IMO...

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What will Maria's reaction to the news of Hayate confession (for some reasons, I want to know)?
I think she's prepared for something like that, or at least expecting it. I wonder if she'll be consoling Nagi, or something (all depends on the situation, and the unfolding of events). For example, Nagi learns about it from a 3rd party (not directly from Hayate), and she believes them (doesn't go in denial - No! Hayate loves me! He promised! etc...). She might just act strong around those people, but then cry alone. Maria might give her a hug here. ^_^

Well, I could come up with another scenario, but.... naaah...

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What are Miki, Izumi, Isumi's reaction?
Miki would instantly tie the strings together, and understand why Hina was (perhaps still is) depressed. And I think she might be happy, because she might get a chance (probably not in this manga, but just sayin' anyway... )

Isumin' doesn't really care I think. She'd just feel bad for Nagi.

And Izumi still hasn't sorted out her feelings, and is in denial that the boy from the past was Hayate. Perhaps, with enough information given (like when it happened, the location, etc..), she could put it together, and admit that it was him.

Then... hmm... well...

Did Hata honestly plan on doing anything with her? I think he's using the highest ranked people the most. He said it himself that he didn't expect Hinagiku to become that popular. Based on that it's my opinion that he added that Izumi kiss scene in the EoTW & Izumi arc before it. Well, for whatever reasons he did it, it doesn't matter now. Now she's a potential candidate for drama. She might be happy for him, feel sorry for her friends, or feel sad as well for her loss.. that she didn't figure it out sooner that he was the boy from the past / sorted her feelings / be more serious about it....

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Where is Himegami and what is his objective?
Depends who he really is. I put out my theory that he's Hayate's brother, and if we tie that together with the flashback of Wataru's mom with someone that looks remarkably similar to Hayate (either his brother looks very much alike him - Nagi said that her parents looked like him, or Hayate time traveled in the end to end up with Ykuariko...), then I guess that his objective has to do something with Yukariko's death. Same as Mikado's...

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Why does Athena want to go to RG?
This is the interesting part, isn't it? Both Athena and Midas want to return to the RG. Do they have separate reasons, or are they in a sorts of agreement? Hmm...

We don't have enough information.

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Was Lelouch dead?
He's alive! ;_;

Code Geass R3!!! ;_____;

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What will happen to mankind in 2012?
Probably nothing. I wonder if the movie 2012 will be any good, though. xD

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Why am I typing this?
Because it's fun, and you're expecting my reply, or the reply of someone else. Admit it! <3


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THIS

More than that, Machina just told him all what Athena had gone through. Yet, I seems Hayate didn't listen to a word he said.

This is why I hate plot induced stupidity.
Naw. Hayate understands that it was mostly his fault, and wants to fix things. Even if they'll go through some suffering at start, the ending just might be a happy one.

I call polygamy!
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Old 2009-10-29, 15:45   Link #4117
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Hayate understands that it was mostly his fault
No, it wasn't, and that's the problem here. Athena's problems seem to go beyond just Hayate. Machina explained her problems quite clearly, and I wouldn't be surprised if that's not all there is to it, taking into account what Mikado said about the punishment she had to deal with.
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Old 2009-10-29, 16:21   Link #4118
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I'm calling it now...Athena's "great depression" that caused Midas' spirit to take over was not Hayate's fault. Therefore, she likely already had his spirit in her while they were both in the Royal Garden and his appearance during their fight was because he already had control over Athena.

I honestly would love to see everyone's reactions to hearing that Hayate confessed to Athena. Nagi and Maria would be shocked, Ayumu will probably faint and everyone will be curious as to why Hina doesn't seem to be surprised, even though she may not be feeling so well after. Izumi remains a point of interest, she probably will be happy for him and be surprised by how much everyone else seems to care about it (after all, nobody in the Love M.C. Escher Shape knows everyone else in it, so everyone will be surprised at some point.

Risa is the one I'm interested in. During the Segawa Arc she mentioned that she felt bad for Izumi liking Hayate because it would be unrequited...believing that he had already fallen for her. Miki for course knew she was being an idiot, but the question remains as to whether she was just saying things or if she also had an interest in Hayate. After all, the student council trio have multiple times claimed to be in a relationship with him...it's too bad that Risa isn't very popular or we might actually get an answer.

Well...it doesn't do us anymore good to speculate on this fight. We definitely need some more details before we can say how anything will turn out, but for the record I'm hoping that it won't be completely cheesy or anticlimactic.
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Old 2009-10-29, 16:28   Link #4119
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No, it wasn't, and that's the problem here. Athena's problems seem to go beyond just Hayate. Machina explained her problems quite clearly, and I wouldn't be surprised if that's not all there is to it, taking into account what Mikado said about the punishment she had to deal with.
Kay, firstly I already said that, recently too (yer probably too lazy to read that, or don't remember, huh?).

Pg 205.

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It's true that Hayate caused her suffering, but I think she's hurt from a greater, older pain.
Hayate could at least try to mend to some extent the pain he caused her. Apologizing, and confessing his love again would help. Even if just a little. They can focus on her main problem after that.

I think that punishment thing is just a metaphor, and it's not literally from "God". Hmm.. I wonder..

Well, perhaps they desired money & power, and lost what was most precious to them as a consequence. Athena's parents, Mikado's daughter...

Who granted their wishes? Did they become rich because of the RG, or did Mikado build his own fortune? This theory is already crumbling...

Perhaps it really was from god? Man, not enough info, and still no spoilers. Heh, I'm complaining.. that's unusual.. guess it's about time for the world to end. Hehe..


@Teleutao

Yeah. I believe that she was suffering from the start, like you said, but she was doing a good job at suppressing the pain, allowing no openings (not that she knew, or did she? - she did know something about the coffin...). It was Hayate then that broke her last wall. Midas saw a crack, and slipped in (the part where the coffin trembles, and he forms around her, and only Hayate sees him).

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Oh, and Risa is just an ornament for the moment. Both Izumi and Miki had more development than her. Sure, she had her own mini arc with the grandpa with Alzheimer's (lol), and the huge crocodile, but besides that..

What's her selling point - her charm? Jumping to conclusions?

Izumi's are probably being silly and innocent, always optimistic, likes to get picked on... lol

Miki's are being a schemer (sort of), liking Hina, and being really intuitive...


I wonder if she'll get to play a more active role soon.

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