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Old 2009-11-26, 11:32   Link #5001
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I actually want to read it, since by telling us to wait until all 3 chapters are out he's literally telling us there'll be great suspense to follow for each chapter (at least I hope it is).
Personally, I read that as the plot is going to get even more dragged. So, I think I will actually follow his advise.

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So are we also going to stop posting? I don't want to come back in a few weeks to find 20 pages to go through.
Well, if you want to avoid spoilers, you'll have to avoid this thread.

Anyway, see you guys in 3 weeks.
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Old 2009-11-26, 13:47   Link #5002
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uh, wait 3 weeks to cover the whole climax of the story, I do not know if it's possible, if I already want to see the Spoilers of chapter 251.
Hayate, has been getting weaker over several chapters, Himaro says in the race , also says the same kotesu, when confronted the bear, and then with machina and athena, he is also physically weak.
Although it may be that hayate is this repressing himself, because now he is OK, and only been hours since the fight with machina.
In Royal garden, athena says his body is heavily injured by something even not known yet, besides when hayate, came into royal garden, only fell from exhaustion.
seems, for the images of the volumes that are not swords and the coffin is destroyed, perhaps appear the "hakkuo" or "black camellia, or as in the anime, himegami appears to steal something at the last moment like, in the fight with the director and her snake (anime) takes one armor lol , but this time the stone, as there are references in both anime and manga, even if only in features.
ps: yeah climax!, and Camilla is an allusion to royalty, but they are only ideas.
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Old 2009-11-26, 14:39   Link #5003
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Impossible. I'd rather speculate on the outcome like always. Waiting 2-3 weeks would be murder...

*takes advice from a WoW quest giver*

"Patience is a Virtue that We Don't Need" - Oh, you don't say? I completely agree! And since I can't regret it beforehand, I'll do it later if need be~

But then again, I'm not someone that can keep a grudge, regret, pout over something for a long time... it's gone before I know it. Haha!

*stretches*

Ahhhh, that was a nice nap! Uhm, so anyway, no spoilers yet... boooo!


And about the whole Hayate being weak thing, I think that he's just recovering from the injuries that Machina gave him. I don't think it's something related to what Athena did to him in the past, or the gem, but it could be...

Perhaps the power she used to "heal" him was something temporary, or if he does have a gem inside him (which allowed him entry to the RG), then perhaps it's negative influence is starting to take over Athena's healing power / blessing.. whatever it is / however you want to interpret it. If he doesn't have a gem with him, then perhaps the power is just beginning to wane. He'll need to save Athena fast if it's like that. Or maybe Isumi can somehow help? Hmm..

Or perhaps his weakness was from something else entirely? Maybe he was born with a weak body, or his parents did something to him?

Well, I'm sure we'll get to know the truth soon. The climax of the Greece arc is already past, isn't it? I think it was the whole Athena battle thing, or perhaps it's impossible to call it the climax of the whole arc, since it's divided in many parts, like the beach part, Hina date, Athena encounter, and now the conclusion...

Think of them as mini arcs in the whole Greece arc, each with a beginning, climax, and conclusion. But then again, it might be just my way of seeing things. It's just that... this whole decision thing...

I can't really call it a conclusion. It's too intense. And since they're on the last day of the Golden Week vacation...

Eh, dunno...

The way 250 ended just makes me think that 251 will be something epic. Will Nagi finally decide to step in and ask him about it? Will he open up to her? Will he, by himself, ask her about what would be the right thing to do - perhaps in such a manner that she wouldn't understand that he's referring to her? Nagi already said a few times that she doesn't need the inheritance as long as he's with her. But she said that because he was in danger, or because of the moment, or something...

If he betrays her over a different girl... ouch...

Anyway, I don't believe that the whole Midas problem can be resolved as easily as breaking the stone. If you forget about the consequences of the action, then it's something really simple. - Waltz in Athena's mansion again, say hello, take out the gem and break it. Midas wails "Noooooooooooo!!", Isumi banishes him, the end.

Midas has a daughter. Did Hata write that only because it's real history, or was it planned? But who could be his daughter of all the known characters? How long was he trapped inside the RG? It's an old myth, is it not?

....hmm...

Then it also depends in what circumstances was the said daughter. I'm still holding to the assumption that Maria has something to do with it. Perhaps she was in some sort of seal? Maybe she wasn't really born the normal way, but with magic? How old was she when she was found?

...

Hmmm, but she was found in December, and the whole EoTW arc ended in spring or summer, I think...

Ahhh, dammit!

Everything is somehow related to the RG in the end. How is she? Ah, once again I'm thinking way ahead of things.

Spoiler for So, Used Can, will you really leave for 2-3 weeks? :<:
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Old 2009-11-26, 23:41   Link #5004
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Rah, you are thinking ahead of things,
Why don't you just wait till next year and find out that Athena is Maria's little sis and Hayate finally fallen for Nagi,
that would be good.
Hehehehehehe
Oh yeah,Maria then destroy Midas and happy ending.
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Old 2009-11-27, 02:48   Link #5005
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Waratte lun lun lun ♪ Lala lun lun lu lu ♪

Spoiler for ^_^:


They're done shopping. It's early to late night.. not sure, but the moon is in the sky...

Someone played a prank on Nagi, and she's drowning. I guess she called Hayate for help, but he's too emo at the moment to even notice (I'm assuming this due to lack of pics)? Ayumu saves Nagi ^_^

Hayate starts breaking down, and Nagi finally decides to talk to him.

Hmhmhm! I'd sure like to see the next page. Does Hayate answer her with one of his "don't worry, everything is ok" faces, or does he open up?

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Old 2009-11-27, 05:26   Link #5006
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Spoiler for Chapter 251 RAW Text:

Spoiler for Chapter 251 Summary:

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Old 2009-11-27, 08:41   Link #5007
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Heh,
So Hayate still trapped over the decision (obviously)
anyway,he might just meet with Mikado in that hotel and have more Serious talk,face to face, one on one.

@Rah,
Rah, i was on your side once in a war,
this time, will you join Nagi's side to fight this war:
Athena VS Nagi
Pleaseeeeeeeee join!!!!
Anyway, which one is the first girl in HnG,
is it Nagi (First girl of the series)
or Athena (First girl chronologically)?
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Old 2009-11-27, 09:22   Link #5008
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Spoiler for Chapter 251 Summary:
ITS COMING!!!! HAYATE SHALL SACRIFICE HIMSELF FLAG INCOMING!!!!
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Old 2009-11-27, 11:13   Link #5009
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One thing i noticed,
how terrible his luck is,
it seems that he always cheated death,
like the moment when Machi want to kill him, Athena call,
And the other time, when he almost fall from the cliff, he survived,
What is this, Final Destination?
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Old 2009-11-27, 11:35   Link #5010
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Give it up deluded Athena fans. You don't have any Lala lun lun lun ♪ to stand up to Nagi!!

Spoiler for Not enough Lun Lun Lun!:

*brainwashed by the Lun Lun Lun* How could I forget about this song!? *genuflects* NAAAAAGIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!

Don't worry. This blind devotion is temporary.. like my sanity.. haha.. hahahaha!



Back to chapter~

Thanks for the translation, Koroshiya_Kame_13.

Miki is at it again, huh? Ehehehe, not that anyone really minds! Hayate is praying to god now? The one of misfortune perhaps? That won't do him any good. I think Nagi would be ok with losing the inheritance, but only if Hayate goes back to her after he saves Athena. It would be a real pain otherwise...

Well, she does have lots of friends to comfort her if it were to happen, but some of them are already in love with Hayate, and wouldn't really fit the comforting role, since they'd need some as well.

Like I said before, if there are no alternatives to gain entry into the RG, then Hayate simply can't crush the gem. It would break the whole story apart...

Oh well, gotta go now.. lala lunn lun lun~ ^_^

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Added two new spoiler pics to my previous post.

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Old 2009-11-27, 16:35   Link #5011
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Yo everyone... it's been a while...=)

Well, seeing how things are turning on...it seems like Lord Rah's beign corverted to Nagi...

I guess Hayate won't break the stone, but will try his best to save Athena (bleh -.-) ... and i don't think Nagi will ask him... or she will be breaking his words with Maria (to don't ask him anything unless he says it himself)...
Obviously there's a chance that she will just forget it and ask... (she saw Hayate wondering and with the Jewel on its hand...)

Well, it's all i have to say... but before i go...
Hey Rah: All mangas you listed to me i already read them all... and after that i just choose some more mangas with the same genres...i guess about 8 or 9 mangas already... i'm so happy ^-^
By the way...is there more suggestions?(can't just stay quiet and wait for outcomes...)
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Old 2009-11-27, 18:04   Link #5012
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Nagi's been pretty mature lately, it's always possible, even if it is a small chance, that she will tell Hayate to go save Athena and that she's okay with losing her inheritance.
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Old 2009-11-27, 20:54   Link #5013
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Nagi's been pretty mature lately, it's always possible, even if it is a small chance, that she will tell Hayate to go save Athena and that she's okay with losing her inheritance.
Except that Hayate was specifically told NOT to tell Maria or Nagi...
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Old 2009-11-27, 21:13   Link #5014
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Old 2009-11-27, 21:42   Link #5015
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The situation is getting tense huh . . .
From the spoiler summary I kinda expect a good story for chapter 251 . . .

@wolfnagi
Since Hina doesn't stand a chance I will pick for Athena, but I don't really think that Hayate will end up with her . . .
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Old 2009-11-27, 22:05   Link #5016
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*after reading and watching the spoiler*
...
emo hayate -___-
and then
emo nagi? -___-

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Since Hina doesn't stand a chance I will pick for Athena, but I don't really think that Hayate will end up with her . . .
lol funny
if nagi wins
hina still has chances =)
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Old 2009-11-27, 22:26   Link #5017
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It's story time! lol... this took longer than expected. I was actually about to reply when I saw tsunade666's post, but somehow it got... dragged.... a bit... lol...

Nooooooo!! I was just about to comment on that! Auuuuuu! ;_;

1. I get the feeling that Hata is emphasizing on how Nagi is bound by luxury, and that she can't live without money. A grand hotel, all those butlers bowing, huge pool party and the whole hotel is reserved for them. Sure it's nice, but you can live without it. Humans adapt really well. Though this isn't about adaption, but doing the right thing or something like that...

It's true that saving Athena takes priority since it's her life on the line, but the kind of money that Nagi has at her disposal through Mikado could be put to use to save millions of poor people around the world. Thought about that? Okay, it's not related, and nobody really cares about such things in this manga, nor it will be ever mentioned. Just sayin...

Anyway, discarding that notion it's purely Athena's life vs Nagi's trust - more to the core: her belief that Hayate indisputably loves her, though... I'm starting to doubt that she didn't notice already that it isn't so... who knows, it might be my imagination (not that Hayate knows that she loves him, and that she believes that he confessed to her on that day when they met.. heh...).

Both of them played important roles in Hayate's development. Without Athena Hayate would've died, or become some thug.. who knows? But such a weak thug.. haha! - Without Nagi, he'd definitely be dead by now. The Yakuza would take all of his organs, not just a kidney or an eye. No liver? I wanna see you live with that!

The time he spent together with each of them is somewhat similar. Although Nagi is starting to take the lead, if she hadn't already...

They've both thought him various things, that shaped him to what he is. From a pathetic self loathing worm to a hard working teenage boy (Athena), and from someone that understands the value of money, perhaps too well for his own good to someone with a limit, that sees that there are more important things (Nagi). There are probably other things, but I don't remember em.. heh~ I probably didn't explain this too well, but whatever...

Wouldn't it be ironic if he betrayed Nagi, who thought him that money isn't that important?

~Thanks for reminding me, NaweG, I've completely forgotten that Mikado ordered him not to say a word to Nagi or Maria. It's like a new rule now, or perhaps something old already, but anyway if Hayate doesn't forget this rule, then he won't open up to her. But who says that Isumi, or Sakuya can't tell him? Isumi would be perfect, because she's not related to the Sanzen'in's, however Sakuya is, and she could suffer repercussions...

2. Maria has my dinner.

The walnut part is so damn cute. Hina crushes it and makes a face like she's a goddess, viewing people as insects.. *CRUSH*... insignificant.. lol

I think it's time for Ayumu to break as well. Hina already almost broke in tears. Miki is a real good friend. But I'd still like to see that scene.. heh..

Notice how Ayumu looks like she's holding it in. Hoping that things aren't like she thinks, and that Hayate will pick her in the end, but deep down inside she knows that it's not true. It's something like 60% of her being is denying that fact, while the remaining 40% is slowly taking over, so soon she'll accept it. I wonder how it will look like. Hina wanted to ask / tell her something, before Miki interrupted them (she must have an awesome 6th sense, but they'll have to face the facts someday, and when that time comes, she won't be able to step in so casually anymore...)

Might be just my imagination... heh..

3. Izumi you klutz! But then again.. going against Maria.. you must have a death wish.. hehe joking a bit~

And in the end Hayate couldn't have any fun. It's the last day. Come morning, they'll depart, or so I think. Will Nagi save the day? But how can Hayate turn 180į without saving Athena first? If he was given a third option, I guess he'd certainly feel more relieved, but it's still Midas that they're going up against, and time is running out! He'd probably still feel a bit tense to some extent.. hmmm...

Telling Maria or Nagi would be the same as breaking the gem. How would Mikado know, though? Is he somehow spying on his every move, with bugs, satellites, other devices / people? Honestly, the conversation can go in any direction. From "It's okay Ojou-sama, I'm just feeling a bit unwell, because of..." to *breaks down crying* "I just can't do this! *about to tell her everything, but gets interrupted by someone unexpected...*". Depending on the person that interrupts them it could become quite a twist, but the chances of this happening are close to nil.

He can't let her see him in such a pathetic state. There's no way that he'll break down... at least not now. He must stay composed, but even though he won't tell Nagi what's troubling him and cause her worries, she might give him some valuable advice like I said a few posts back...

How much does Nagi know, and what does she think that's troubling him (or at least what is she guessing)?

I'd exclude girl problems from the start. Money as well, although it does play a part to his current dilemma. Nagi is a smart girl. Since she loves him, she noticed right away that he's troubled. That night... something happened..

Everyone is acting as usual, or somewhat like usual. Everyone but Hayate.. so it's not related to any of them.. (well, I'd think this way..). He was out at night.. in Greece, a place that he never visited before (assuming he's not telling a lie, but with his circumstances back in Japan, before Nagi found him... yeah...). So what could change him this much during that short period of time in a country far from home? Personally, I'd come to the conclusion that he met someone, or remembered something, perhaps even lost something important to him (though he has only the gem to lose besides his life - not that Nagi knows that, right?).

Hina doesn't know about the relationship between Nagi and Hayate. She'd be the perfect person to tell her.

I believe that Nagi MUST know. It's... just wrong if she doesn't and is left out of the loop, while other, even unrelated people, make all the important decisions (yeah, a good example is Hina, but I'll give her some slack since she doesn't know about the whole Inheritance thing. She's just down because things aren't going as she wanted.. after all the time it took her to muster enough courage and confess...heh).

Anyway, how about this scenario?

Nagi tries to talk with Hayate, perhaps even tries to give him advice, but is unsuccessful. Somebody calls for him, or he leaves (butler duty - need to take care of guests, or some other excuse..), or perhaps she leaves herself, worried, but nothing can be done if he won't confide, right?

So anyway, she's walking back when she overhears Ayumu and Hina talking, or perhaps even Sakuya and Isumi. Obviously they talk about a part that's troubling Hayate.

If it's Ayumu and Hina, it would be nice that Nagi overhears them when they're changing their clothes (since they fell in pool and are wet..). They'd primary talk about the date and how Hayate loves someone else, how the date didn't go as planned (well, perhaps she wouldn't mention the date, and still keep Nagi in the dark about her secret love for him). Nagi would now know half of the truth, and of course would be really shocked. What would be her course of action? Hmm...

On the other hand, if she overhears Isumi and Sakuya talking about an alternative, then things would be a bit different. Half of the story is his relationship with Athena, while the other half is the inheritance, and how it's bound to the gem that Hayate is carrying. It would be the opposite here. While if she were to overhear Hina and Ayumu talk, she'd learn about Hayate's past relationship, and somehow link it with his depression... Sakuya and Isumi would be talking about an alternative, or about the gem in specific. About the whole inheritance thing, since even they don't know the relationship between Athena and Hayate. *edity* Oh, wait, STOP! They do know about it. Hayate told them just recently, right? Damn, I completely forgot. But just how much did he tell them? Tch.. *edity* Thus Nagi would learn about the gem and the Hakuo Chairman.. Athena..

How is she linked to everything? Why is Hayate worried that much over such a person? I think this would be a most troubling scene. Too many things to think about. Perhaps asking them directly would be a good thing to do? Hmm...

I bet that whatever info she'd learn, she'd probably try to resolve it by herself, and somehow get into trouble... yet again...

Perhaps she'd take Hayate's gem, and go with it to Athena's place? That would be epic.. especially when Hayate & Co. realize about it! - My reasoning behind is that she doesn't want to see Hayate suffer anymore, but if he won't tell her, then there must be some reason. Still, she'd try to resolve things by herself, by giving the gem to Athena perhaps?

Ahh... too much info... It's like I have an Athlon processor in my head! It's overheating!!! Not even the ice from the South Pole can cool it down! Noes!!

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Old 2009-11-27, 22:50   Link #5018
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u turn left then the right
turn left
turn right
turn left
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and i dare to ask
what's the point? 0.0

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Old 2009-11-27, 23:01   Link #5019
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Ehehe~ Sorry~ ^_^;

It's fun, and well, ... umm... mostly just my thoughts governing my fingers. When I start typing it never ends. My MSN logs are 70% me anyway.. hehehe~ *taka taka taka* - typing sounds

The whole thing doesn't have a single "point", as you asked. Just slowly read it again. I just state a few obvious things, I comment on the chapter a bit, and try to predict the outcome.
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Old 2009-11-27, 23:06   Link #5020
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Give it up deluded Athena fans. You don't have any Lala lun lun lun ♪ to stand up to Nagi!!

Spoiler for Not enough Lun Lun Lun!:

*brainwashed by the Lun Lun Lun* How could I forget about this song!? *genuflects* NAAAAAGIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!

Don't worry. This blind devotion is temporary.. like my sanity.. haha.. hahahaha!



Back to chapter~

Thanks for the translation, Koroshiya_Kame_13.

Miki is at it again, huh? Ehehehe, not that anyone really minds! Hayate is praying to god now? The one of misfortune perhaps? That won't do him any good. I think Nagi would be ok with losing the inheritance, but only if Hayate goes back to her after he saves Athena. It would be a real pain otherwise...

Well, she does have lots of friends to comfort her if it were to happen, but some of them are already in love with Hayate, and wouldn't really fit the comforting role, since they'd need some as well.

Like I said before, if there are no alternatives to gain entry into the RG, then Hayate simply can't crush the gem. It would break the whole story apart...

Oh well, gotta go now.. lala lunn lun lun~ ^_^

~☆~

Added two new spoiler pics to my previous post.

Yatta,
Rah has become one of us,
anyway,
What's up with that long speech?
About Nagi must know,
I kinda agree but he must not tell Nagi his ex-relationship with Athena or else,
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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Nagi's been pretty mature lately, it's always possible, even if it is a small chance, that she will tell Hayate to go save Athena and that she's okay with losing her inheritance.
She thinks like that but what Hayate's is thinking heh.

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waaaaaa 0.0
u turn left then the right
turn left
turn right
turn left
turn right
waaaaaaaaa 0.0
i don't get the point of ur long speech (sorry i'm so stupid x.x)
and i dare to ask
what's the point? 0.0

btw, brb dinner xD
Vol, you came
anyway, what do you mean by dinner,
I saw the post that you eating Soto,
man that nice, Soto Kedah,
Delicious
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