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Old 2009-12-02, 01:15   Link #5121
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I can't understand what you saying Rah?
Allright, we all are thinking far away from Hata's thinking,
wee all need to get back to real world for a while,
so let think this as this way, Hayate suddenly found the third option which saves both of them and they all return to Japan, happily.
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I think what Rah's trying to say is that you are contradicting yourself by saying this is a manga and everything can happen while listing things which are impossible to occur.
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Which Father does't love her daugther/son right,
but in Mikado case,
he is crazy,
Almost everybody know that you daugther/son will hate you forever if you hurt their child even if you want to protect your own son/daughter,
So he actually breaking parentship rules by sacrificing his granddaughter for his daughter,
that would make him hated by Yukariko forever!
Best example to counter this: Hayate's parents.
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Old 2009-12-02, 01:18   Link #5122
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oh, i understand.
Well, the list is actually what i think Hata won't put in this manga
because of that i say its impossible,
anyway, addition:
anything can happen in manga but not everything can happen in a single manga!
So even thought anything can happen, everything cannot happen if the story does't allow it.
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Old 2009-12-02, 01:25   Link #5123
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oh, i understand.
Well, the list is actually what i think Hata won't put in this manga
because of that i say its impossible,
anyway, addition:
anything can happen in manga but not everything can happen in a single manga!
So even thought anything can happen, everything cannot happen if the story does't allow it.
I think you are contradicting youself. Since you said anything can happen in a manga, it covers everything that could happen in a manga, not excluding what you think will not happen in a manga. If the story you refer to is literature, then that might be different, but since this is in a manga, like you said, anything might happen. For this manga exclusively, We've had a boy who could ride a bike faster than a car, survive a fight with katana-armed SP & Yakuza, girls who can use magic, aliens, ghosts, practically anything is possible to be added into this story, especially since this is a comedy manga.
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Old 2009-12-02, 01:30   Link #5124
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Long stories short,
anything can happen in manga! (any manga)
BUT not everything can happen in a single manga! (HnG)
Its like a series of Unfortunate event,
anything can happen to the Baudelairs but not everything can happen to them! like their parent suddenly revived because its impossible!
Same as HnG, except the dead can show their spirits!! in dreams or something like that

Anyway,
i have broken my patience and read chap 251,
What will happen?
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Old 2009-12-02, 01:32   Link #5125
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Long stories short,
anything can happen in manga! (any manga)
BUT not everything can happen in a single manga! (HnG)
Then explain why there's aliens, ghosts, magic, time travelling etc. when HnG isn't even a supernatural type of manga. You don't have to bother if you don't want to, we can just drop it.
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Old 2009-12-02, 01:52   Link #5126
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I think aliens is part of Yukariko mystery because tha alien that Nagi draw years ago resemble it.
The ghost and magic is part of Saginomiya mystery.
The time travelling is actually meant to show that Hayate is actually Nagi's butler past, present and future.
Happy?
and if you read A series of an unfortunate event,
there are also mysteries like this (Giant snakes, Abandoned house and many more)
but it only happen once,
like HnG, it can only happen oce or twice (Time-travelling might be more,
oh yeah, time travel and alien is actually sci-fi, magic is fantasy)
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Old 2009-12-02, 01:58   Link #5127
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I think aliens is part of Yukariko mystery because tha alien that Nagi draw years ago resemble it.
The ghost and magic is part of Saginomiya mystery.
The time travelling is actually meant to show that Hayate is actually Nagi's butler past, present and future.
Happy?
and if you read A series of an unfortunate event,
there are also mysteries like this (Giant snakes, Abandoned house and many more)
but it only happen once,
like HnG, it can only happen oce or twice (Time-travelling might be more,
oh yeah, time travel and alien is actually sci-fi, magic is fantasy)
This is manga isn't it though, who's to say 100% that Hata won't repeat what was mentioned again? I didn't bother listing all the genre but since you pointed it out, that just support that alot of different ideas can be added to one story. Since you seem fed up arguing over this, lets just drop it.
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Old 2009-12-02, 02:01   Link #5128
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Old 2009-12-02, 02:28   Link #5129
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Well, first thing is, she still not be free from kidnapping!
this because this is a bad world a people can kidnap her to do anything they like right?
so she still not be free from bad things,
Lol, yea, like many people would waste their time kidnapping someone who isn't rich. It will relieve her from that world nevertheless.

Even Hayate is smart enough to try kidnapping her because he thinks she rich. Wolf, are you at least as smart as Hayate when you reach your end?

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second, addiction takes time to recover,
it's like smoking, once you start, it be hard to stop yourself from smoking but if you reduced it bit by bit, you can finally stop smoking unless you prefer cold turkey which makes you stop smoking at all but that is the hardest,
Zod, you an idiot because you recommended cold turkey but cold turkey only effective to a very determined person who can stop their wants!
So she does need the inheritance even if she want to use less money,
its all takes time.
Wolf, you're an idiot.

It takes time to train, and getting rid of the inheritance is a start which has to begin somewhere in her life. This reducing of "bit by bit" you are talking about is no where to be found if she continues to live like this. How ironic, it seems I trust in Nagi's ability to survive more than you. At least, if she starts right now, she could do something for Hayate.

When will she want to use it less? How will she start to use it less? Maybe sometimes after Mikado finished using her and throw her out?
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Old 2009-12-02, 02:34   Link #5130
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What i meant is she just can't throw away her money like that!!!
What i meant is by first start living cheaper bit by bit and not just throwing away your fortune!!!
Its like this, you smoking, and you want to quit, but you just can't resist the addiction so you started smoking less and less and finally you can just stop smoking for good!
I once addicted to games and have played till 3-4 in the morning but once i started playing less and less,
i just can stop playing anytime i want,
you really does't know how to handle addiction Zod.

Also, what if anybody kidnap her to rape her?
it can also be like that!

You really does't know the world, Zod
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Old 2009-12-02, 03:00   Link #5131
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What i meant is she just can't throw away her money like that!!!
What i meant is by first start living cheaper bit by bit and not just throwing away your fortune!!!
Its like this, you smoking, and you want to quit, but you just can't resist the addiction so you started smoking less and less and finally you can just stop smoking for good!
I once addicted to games and have played till 3-4 in the morning but once i started playing less and less,
i just can stop playing anytime i want,
you really does't know how to handle addiction Zod.
How is she going living cheaper "bit by bit?" She practically learned how to use money like throwing trashes away with the limitless amount of cash provided to her. There is no one to tell her when to use money nor stop her from using money like toilet papers. This "less and less" isn't happening in case you haven't notice.

Lol, your addictions is incomparable to hers; you obvious don't understand her very well.


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Also, what if anybody kidnap her to rape her?
it can also be like that!

You really does't know the world, Zod
You obvious did not understand how the world works or my statement.

There is no more incentive to capture her, naturally, if she is not rich. She can finally be freed from this world of constantly endanger of being kidnap that she had lived for 13 years.
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Old 2009-12-02, 03:08   Link #5132
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How is she going living cheaper "bit by bit?" She practically learned how to use money like throwing trashes away with the limitless amount of cash provided to her. There is no one to tell her when to use money nor stop her from using money like toilet papers. This "less and less" isn't happening in case you haven't notice.

Lol, your addictions is incomparable to hers; you obvious don't understand her very well.
Then,
can you explain to me how does a heavy smoker or drug addict can stopped smoking/taking drugs huh?
There must be a way and its definitely not Cold Turkey,
so how does Nagi need to stop spending money,
definitely not Cold turkey!



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You obvious did not understand how the world works or my statement.

There is no more incentive to capture her, naturally, if she is not rich. She can finally be freed from this world of constantly endanger of being kidnap that she had lived for 13 years.
Well,
she still can be kidnap even if she's poor,
remember the chapter where Saki got kidnapped (thought they actually want to kidnap Wataru), they still though they can get some money by asking ransom,
Even a poor person can be kidnap and ask for ransom and the family need to borrow money from loansharks to pay their kidnapped family.
That's the part you didn't understand!
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Old 2009-12-02, 03:25   Link #5133
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Then,
can you explain to me how does a heavy smoker or drug addict can stopped smoking/taking drugs huh?
There must be a way and its definitely not Cold Turkey,
so how does Nagi need to stop spending money,
definitely not Cold turkey!
Because there is something that they want to protect which help them change slowly. They don't just stop out of the blue.

Same goes with Nagi; she won't just stop her ways of spending and usage of money for no reason if she CONSTANTLY having limitless amount of cash with no one telling her to limit herself.



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Well,
she still can be kidnap even if she's poor,
remember the chapter where Saki got kidnapped (thought they actually want to kidnap Wataru), they still though they can get some money by asking ransom,
Even a poor person can be kidnap and ask for ransom and the family need to borrow money from loansharks to pay their kidnapped family.
That's the part you didn't understand!
OF COURSE, there is a chance that anyone can get kidnap regardless of their wealth.

However, Nagi is living in a world where KIDNAPPING is FREQUENTLY/NORMALLY which she WILL BE FREED from that world if she is not rich. That's what you don't understand.

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Old 2009-12-02, 03:30   Link #5134
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Nagi can live without her money, but she decides not to, because it's nice being rich. She's not addicted to it, she's just used to her current lifestyle.. okay, you could call it addicting.. sort of.. but it's not like she'll die if she becomes poor. She'd just adapt to her new circumstances. She probably has enough money for a 3LDK, which Hayate would love to live in. Hehe..

Nagi would be freed of anyone that's after her money, but depending how she'd lose it (or the right to the inheritance - imagine someone donating her money, possibly Athena if Hayate chooses her), Mikado could make her life miserable if things don't go according to his plans. I presume that Mikado wants Godlike powers that he'd attain by gaining access to the RG. Though we don't know yet why didn't he get such powers before, 10 years ago...

Having her current lifestyle is nice, and giving it all up for Hayate is all good, but if Hayate goes on Athena's side after she'd done that for him... well,... that's just not nice...

If given the offer, accepting money from Athena in such a situation would be the finishing blow. I think she'd think that she's being pitied by her, even though it makes sense to accept, or if it was planned, or if Hayate asked her nicely. If she gave up her wealth for Hayate's sake, with some sort of expectation, even if she didn't mention any, she's still expecting him to stay by her side, to uphold the promise he made her, perhaps she still believes that he's in love with her, and that would be the ultimate betrayal.

In such a situation, even if he was by Athena's side with mutual love, he'd feel devastated upon learning Nagi's delusion that she thought that he loved her, and that's why she took him in... plus breaking that many promises that he made her...

Right now Hayate needs a "push", a form of "consent" to choose one. That, or a third option...

If there is an alternative, Isumi might come too late to tell him. I'm assuming that Nagi will give him that "consent" in the following chapters. Or at least do / tell him something that would make him choose..

Perhaps he'd pick Nagi, while hoping for an alternative... Wouldn't Midas leave Athena's body by himself through the fear of forever merging with her and becoming a different being entirely? Assuming that's the case...

Unless he gets to keep his personality, and it's Athena that's "absorbed".

Heh, who knows...?



Who doesn't understand, raise yer arm! *gets shotgun ready*

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Old 2009-12-02, 03:58   Link #5135
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So is the recent disscussion about Nagi's life after she loses her inheritance and how she copes with it? Personally, I don't think Nagi would be able to cope with the huge amount of money loss if she's disinherited. If she loses all her assets, she wouldn't be able to "spend less" everytime if she has no money. If she does have her assets, I still don't think Nagi'll stop using money like water. Where's the fun in not spending as much money as you can when you basically have an infinite amount?
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Old 2009-12-02, 07:51   Link #5136
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She could deal with it in time. She's already getting used to her part time job. She's starting to learn the value of hard work and money.

Well, we'll see how it goes. I'm gonna repeat myself like a broken record and say it again. Nagi might give Hayate a form of consent (intentional or not) with the chat they'll have in the next chapter, or through more chapters that will make him choose between them. If it's a form of consent then he'll probably go to Athena's side. Dunno if there's a third option, but he's desperate, and probably can't wait for Isumi to find out.

Ah, two more days till we find out... at least that's the quickest possible..
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Old 2009-12-02, 09:15   Link #5137
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I couldn't comprehend much of whatever what was posted after me back there... looks like I have to fight fire with fire.. or crazy w/ crazy..

Inb4 posting everything blatantly factual to incomparably crazy stuff about Hayate's secret family, dark past, his being last heir to a royal family stuff and crap.
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Old 2009-12-02, 09:23   Link #5138
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Yeah, nothing new there. You'll need a map and a dictionary soon, plus perhaps a translator if you'll want to understand anything.

Just tell us what you think that Nagi will tell Hayate.
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Old 2009-12-02, 09:38   Link #5139
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Following Nagi's usual attitude when talking to Hayate the most common one would be something in between "Come enjoy this last day with us! Or *insert some threat here about his job as a butler*. She could always ask him why is he acting like that but it wouldn't happen since her discussion with Maria. She could also share a story with Hayate about something with her mom being lost in an underground maze which was the ruins underneath the mansion.

My favored choice (being on the usual tone of the story, not anything new) of the moment is talking some sense into this guy who couldn't get out of this trance. She could offer him indirect advice, or just cut the crap by hitting him with anything! Sakuya's fan, throw him in the pool! Whatever snaps him out of that state.

I would also be expecting something unexpected, like what I said before, something like "You could go save her, the gem doesn't matter."

I expect anything to happen, so I'm pretty open-minded right now.
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Old 2009-12-02, 09:49   Link #5140
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If you pushed Hayate in the pool in his current state, he'd probably comply by drowning.

Mhm.. Nagi will indeed probably give him advice, but I'd prefer if she gave him an ok to go do what he must. Perhaps even without understanding what's bothering him, and how it'll affect her and their relationship...

Guess we have to wait and see.. :<
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