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Old 2010-02-15, 10:02   Link #5761
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I don't think Hina is THAT altruistic. Back when she tried to confess, she was being held by her own insecurities, and then when she actually had the intention of confessing, Hayate told her there's someone he loves. So, there wasn't much for her to do, since after being told that, there's simply no place for any sort of confession. There's also Athena's rescue, but once again, there was simply no opportunity for her to confess at that moment, and it probably would have been of poor taste had she done so at that moment.

Mind you, I'm not saying she's not altruistic, but she has had opportunities to confess which she never took, not because of altruism, but due to her own insecurities.
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Old 2010-02-15, 12:48   Link #5762
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Has this series become too dramatic for me that I should not continue? Well I've gone this far, I won't stop now. Not when I still have other volumes to catch up on.

A character yelling Hayate's name and he shows up the next page? I've lost track how many times that has happened now. It's happened to Nagi, I think Ayumu has been in that scenario as well. Now Athena?

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Old 2010-02-15, 14:00   Link #5763
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Chapter 260 was one of the best manga chapters i've read for the past few months.
Really awesome chapter, with reunions, tears.
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Old 2010-02-15, 14:24   Link #5764
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I don't get why Nagi would lose her inheritance since according to the terms here, she got the stone from Hayate (which is technically defeating him) and she destroyed the stone, so she completed the conditions of inheritance and gets to take it from herself... So unless I missed something, isn't that loopholed? So all we have to deal with now is her reaction on Hayate with A-tan.
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Old 2010-02-15, 14:57   Link #5765
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A character yelling Hayate's name and he shows up the next page? I've lost track how many times that has happened now. It's happened to Nagi, I think Ayumu has been in that scenario as well. Now Athena?
It happened to Nagi, Hina, but I don't know about Ayumu. The emotional built up and their relationships are the differences that make this scene much more powerful than the other ones, at least to me.
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Old 2010-02-15, 16:08   Link #5766
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Mm, it happened to Ayumu. I don't remember the exact chapter, but it was after her bike brakes failed again.
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Old 2010-02-15, 16:14   Link #5767
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Mm, it happened to Ayumu. I don't remember the exact chapter, but it was after her bike brakes failed again.
That was the scene I was thinking of, and I'm certain I own that volume. I still have to look it up though for the exact chapter.

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Old 2010-02-15, 17:23   Link #5768
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Here is the chapter but no dice. http://www.mangafox.com/manga/hayate...r/c087/14.html
Maybe it's from another chapter.
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Old 2010-02-15, 17:25   Link #5769
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I don't get why Nagi would lose her inheritance since according to the terms here, she got the stone from Hayate (which is technically defeating him) and she destroyed the stone, so she completed the conditions of inheritance and gets to take it from herself... So unless I missed something, isn't that loopholed? So all we have to deal with now is her reaction on Hayate with A-tan.
This actually makes a lot of sense, who knows, maybe Nagi knew what she was doing in the end .
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Old 2010-02-15, 18:43   Link #5770
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I don't think that Ayumu ever had a "summon Hayate" moment, to be honest. Nagi had several, with Maria I'm not sure tbh...

Hina also had one (the haunted old school building)
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Old 2010-02-15, 21:46   Link #5771
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Maybe I misunderstood you, but it seemed to me that with "she no longer felt very depressed" you wanted to indicate that since c239 Hina had come to terms with the truth and was feeling content in saving Hayate. This, however, is not true. Now she has saved Hayate, and faced with the bitter truth in front of her, Hina is turning away crying. Right now at this moment, she's having her most painful moment ever in the entire story.



I see nothing credible in the short or medium run. Then again, it seems that the story will last for quite a while longer, and so, long run is perfect.

So, in the near future, I expect Hina to distance herself from Hayate a bit while never losing her feelings for him. I could see a rebirth of "Hayate sucks as a BF" mode like when she was angry at him for "neglecting" Ayumu, just this time with Athena. She will continue to help him out in time of need and continue to be torn over her "save him or be loved by him" dilemma. And I still stick to my old prediction: If Hina is ever to successfully confess (edit: as in "so that Hayate fully understands her intention"), it's going to trigger the end run of the show.



Hata very carefully constructed the story so that Hayate is still unaware of Hina's feelings and her help in the fight. It would be entirely pointless to have her confess now, especially since everyone agreed to begin with that it was "too early" and could have never worked in the first place.

No, the fact that Hina is still "uncovered" is her biggest asset. Athena has just peaked with the end of her arc. Hina still has "Big Twist" potential.



Yep, it was a very sad last page, but at the same time exceptionally beautiful. A totally unexpected treat for Hina-shippers like me. Hina had another unpleasant shock: After Hayate's talks, it was unclear for Hina if Athena would accept Hayate's apology/confession after the fall-out 10 years ago. Now she has visual proof, and it hurts.

The "That's not our job" line is simple to understand: She understood that after all the years, Hayate and Athena had their reunion. And she knew that the two of them would want to be alone now. So she drew Isumi away with this line to give them some privacy and savor her reunion. This controlled and measured reaction also indicates that it's extremely unlikely that Hina will "break" over this.
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I'm not sure if I want Hina to "win", but I definitely want her to be rewarded in some way

Also, I wouldn't say it's merely a "small glimmer of hope". We may have to agree to disagree here, but the ending of this arc (correctly predicted concerning Hina, by the way) definitely boosted her long-range chances. If I had to put down money, I definitely give Hina at least 2:1 over Athena to "win" by now. This show isn't going to end anytime soon, and I don't see Athena (who just had her climax and is about to learn that Hayate will return to care for Nagi) on top for the rest of the show.



Ayumu (who is the only kind of "reward" Hata awarded to Hina so far) essentially already gave her tacit approval and support. But unless pushed into a really extreme scene, I don't see Hina spilling the beans anytime soon, if at all. So let's see how the story will develop from now on.

The EotW arc essentially highlighted 3 players around Hayate. Athena was the damsel in distress, with a long history. Nagi sacrificed the safety of her money to get Hayate out of a fix (very selfless, if maybe a tad naive). And Hina pushed what she could to help Hayate (also very selfless). However, the story underlines already that Hina is deeply unhappy, and Nagi will also be crestfallen if/when she learns the truth. Which means that THIS CAN NOT BE THE END.

If Hayate no Gotoku ends, it will be positive, with the consent of all major players, I'm sure of that. Until then, we have to wait. And cheer on Hina for collecting more karma points
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I don't think Hina is THAT altruistic. Back when she tried to confess, she was being held by her own insecurities, and then when she actually had the intention of confessing, Hayate told her there's someone he loves. So, there wasn't much for her to do, since after being told that, there's simply no place for any sort of confession. There's also Athena's rescue, but once again, there was simply no opportunity for her to confess at that moment, and it probably would have been of poor taste had she done so at that moment.

Mind you, I'm not saying she's not altruistic, but she has had opportunities to confess which she never took, not because of altruism, but due to her own insecurities.
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Has this series become too dramatic for me that I should not continue? Well I've gone this far, I won't stop now. Not when I still have other volumes to catch up on.

A character yelling Hayate's name and he shows up the next page? I've lost track how many times that has happened now. It's happened to Nagi, I think Ayumu has been in that scenario as well. Now Athena?
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That was the scene I was thinking of, and I'm certain I own that volume. I still have to look it up though for the exact chapter.

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@Mentar
It's alright pal, but, as for all of your posts that you posted, three words: "Well said, Mentar." Cause after all of those hardship is faced, when the time comes, "it" will make it happen.

And yes, after all of that, she needs to gain a big reward for her. Well, it is Hata's story after all. He got to construct its storyline carefully along with his "plan" and his desire to satisfy him and his fans, and he can do whatever he want.

Of course, I know Hata himself has a plan for Hayate X Hina in mind, so no worries. Thing is, how it looks like? And how to make it happen? But, he did predict that the changes of the relationship of Hayate and Hina will take place in the near future. Question is, how it look like? Will it happen? And how did it change? Either way, I'll be looking forward to it.

That's right. It's too early to end this story, and it's too early for Hina as well since she did not gain any rewards. After all the good things she had done for Hayate, and yet she did not deserve any rewards for herself. That is so unfair! UNFAIR INDEED! It really make me want to make a rant for this. ARGH!

And yes, I agree. This story should be extend even longer, the longer the better it is. Since this is shounen manga, not necessary to be just comedy when it comes to HnG, it also need to mix with other things such as action, romance, drama etc. Plus, shounen mangas usually has a very long storyline to twist with, especially Naruto, Bleach and One Piece. So, the longer its storyline, the better it becomes.

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You maybe could say such words like that, but when the time comes, you know what I mean.

@hinakatbklyn
Well, it should have to continue since some of the plot that Hata decide to add into it is still incomplete. The circle is still incomplete, you know. Plus, I'm still not satisfied with it. Not until if Hata attempt to make a miracle for Hayate X Hina in a dramatic way in the near future in order to fulfill we Hayate X Hina fans' desires.

Beside Nagi, Hina actually did yelled out his name in chapter 045. As for Ayumu, well, I don't think so. Cause I do not see any sign of it.

In conclusion, patience is essential to awaiting for a positive ending. Cause HnG is a shounen manga after all.
So Hina fans, be patient laddies, a miracle will soon make it happen in the near future.
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Old 2010-02-15, 21:47   Link #5772
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I don't think that Ayumu ever had a "summon Hayate" moment, to be honest. Nagi had several, with Maria I'm not sure tbh...

Hina also had one (the haunted old school building)
i am pretty sure she had one.

if i remebr it correctly, aymui was heading toward the hot spring on here bike and she ran into problem as when she first met hayate.
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Old 2010-02-16, 02:52   Link #5773
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i am pretty sure she had one.

if i remebr it correctly, aymui was heading toward the hot spring on here bike and she ran into problem as when she first met hayate.
But when she saved her for the first time, she didn't even know him. So she couldn't have called for him to save her. It was what made her notice him in the first place.

The second time with her having bike troubles was in c87, but she didn't call out for him either. And the pre-onsen attack on her was in c115, also without her calling for Hayate.

I'm pretty sure it simply didn't happen.
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Old 2010-02-16, 23:17   Link #5774
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So, as I said I would, I've bought this week's Shōnen Sunday.

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FUCK YEAH!

Anyway, I don't think we've seen the last of King Midas.
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Old 2010-02-16, 23:50   Link #5775
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So chapter 260 gonna be Athena x Hayate.......
Don't know what to say,
either hate it or love it.....
but again,
I'm supporting Wolf x Nagi so decent it.....
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Old 2010-02-17, 00:25   Link #5776
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Anyway, I don't think we've seen the last of King Midas.
Obviously.
Hayate needs to learn his own Reality Marble yet...
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Old 2010-02-17, 02:01   Link #5777
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FUCK YEAH!
Never did I imagine A-tan could look so vulnerable acting like a normal 16 years old girl. Anyway, EPIC!!!
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Old 2010-02-17, 06:36   Link #5778
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I honor Nagi's unexpected sacrifice; while Hina is the best female heroine (not the "most favorite".... "the best" ) that i have up to now (... by far the best when comparing to the lovely casts of HnG.....)

But i have to say that the series will be really lamed if Hayate does not end up with Athena after this chapter (unless something huge in the future can win me over).


The truth is: being such a huge Hinagiku fan all these years, I still couldn't sense a Hayate x Hina 's ending (especially before "the end of the world" arc). It seems the only true rival of Nagi in the race toward Hayate's heart is Athena, and she has already been winning by a few hundred miles.
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Old 2010-02-17, 13:35   Link #5779
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just read c260,

those scenes were almost direct copies form utena.
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Old 2010-02-17, 13:58   Link #5780
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So I was gone for a bit and when I came back guess what I found
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Arabesque: Time to change your avatar
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Guess this will be a lesson for me to not put too much trust in Hayate's reasoning abilities. But I was right about Athena not dying, and it seems Hayate will be keeping the Masamune (for a while anyway) so not a bad result overall.

Regardless, I lost the Hero bet and I'll be using Hina avatar for a month now, though I don't really mind it due to her being so awesome at the end of this week's chapter. (In fact, the chapter was just as awesome, but I find the fact that Midas went down that quick was a bit disappointing. Guess I'll have to wait for the animated version of the fight to see some serious arse kicking, eh?)


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I honor Nagi's unexpected sacrifice; while Hina is the best female heroine (not the "most favorite".... "the best" ) that i have up to now (... by far the best when comparing to the lovely casts of HnG.....)

But i have to say that the series will be really lamed if Hayate does not end up with Athena after this chapter (unless something huge in the future can win me over).


The truth is: being such a huge Hinagiku fan all these years, I still couldn't sense a Hayate x Hina 's ending (especially before "the end of the world" arc). It seems the only true rival of Nagi in the race toward Hayate's heart is Athena, and she has already been winning by a few hundred miles.
Yeah, about that ... I just don't see how AthenaXHayate can happen now, and this is coming from an Athena fan (and someone who likes the pairing but is not my most favourite). I just can't see Hayate confessing his feelings to Athena (or anyone for that matter). At best, Hayate will fulfil what he wanted in chapter 234: to clear their misunderstanding and get along again. I still hold on the view that both of them need to work on a lot of things to rebuild what was broken 10 years ago.

Also, even if they both have mutual feelings towards each other (Hayate even considers her different from all other girls he known aside from Nagi (but then again she wasn't even a love interest of his and both of them a pretty much destined to be together until the end)), Hayate never actually expressed interest in getting back into the romantic relationship he had with Athena. So I predicate that the next chapter(s) will be Hayate and Athena going back to being on ''friendly'' terms (for the time being anyway) with possibly Athena trying to bring up Hayate coming back with her before either stopping herself (from remembering Nagi's sacrifice or worrying that she might end up hurting him or both) or having Hayate stop her, due to him having to return to Nagi (the former I find more likely to happen than the latter).

If we are getting a definitive paring for Hayate, it will be either in the penultimate arc or at the very end of the story (which, IMO, we are nowhere near it, considering that Hata has been introducing newer plot points throughout 2009 with Himegami betrayal, Nagi's being told about the King jewel, Mikado being Santa, Maids having a grudge against Hayate and even older unresolved ones like Maria importance and who was Nagi's father and Hayate's brother. Mind you, those are the ones I remember of the top of my head so I'm sure there are more than those that I listed.)

Honestly, while the HayteXHina ship seems to have taken quite a number of hits this arc, it is not entirely hopeless. Hina can (and probably will) return to a favourable position again. Provided she starts going on the offensive on her own (instead of having others giving her the push to act) and tries to get Hayate ''seriously''. Aside from the emotional damage though, Hina did receive some massive power ups this arc (New sword + Promoted to Gold Saint Ranger) so I don't think she walked away empty handed out of this fight. (come to think of it I also ended up liking Isumi quite a bit in this throughout, always nice to see a member of the supporting cast end up being prominent in character-centric arc like this one)

As for Athena wining, I guess that will be the effect of having two arcs centred around you will do then (it sure helped Hina in the past) but like I said, right now the direction could go anywhere in terms of parings so will just have to wait and see.

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just read c260,

those scenes were almost direct copies form utena.
Hata: Um, its a parody?
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