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Old 2010-03-28, 08:50   Link #6481
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Are you seriously trying to use this as a lesson to teach me not to use colloquial extremes? No. I refuse. That's stupid. Or did you want me to say that it might be slightly annoying to continue? Communication isn't perfect, if you can't detect the millions of assumed nuances in conversation, you're going to misunderstand everyone (Oh no! The "E" word!). I seriously cannot believe that you legitimately misinterpreted my "everybody" for meaning literally every single person on the face of the planet and beyond. It seems like you just want to argue.

Nobody's going to be perfectly specific in speech, ever. In fact, the more specific the sentence, the more likely there will be a fundamental misunderstanding due to differences in definition.
Who's the group trying to convince others that Hayate's 'true love' is Athena because he's said the words 'I love her'?

Hayate no Gotoku is built on misinterpretation. Please do remember this.
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Old 2010-03-28, 09:03   Link #6482
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yey! Even though I don't actually understand the spoiler but I think I became more excited to see how they will meet again... ^^
Well, hope for HnG anime season 3 comes out ^^
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Old 2010-03-28, 09:23   Link #6483
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well, i won't deny that one o_o .. but i think the lack of plot for the last 200+ chapters is mainly out of business - extending his series, he could however still create a much decent story if he chose to,.
I kinda hoped you would've disagreed I wanted to discuss that but I guess that won't happen now lol
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yey! Even though I don't actually understand the spoiler but I think I became more excited to see how they will meet again... ^^
Well, hope for HnG anime season 3 comes out ^^
If When there is a season three, I doubt they would get further than Wataru's vacation in LA. Most likely they might even just stop at EotW.



I decide to check out the spoilers for 266,and as much I'm a fan of Athena, I couldn't help but get excited and wonder what was going on with Chiharu instead

But anyway, now that we know that where the end point of this arc is, I wanted to ask a question to everyone: What were your most/least favourite moments from the Greek Vacation?

I ask about this because this is the longest individual arc in the manga (56 chapters in total!) so there were a lot of things that happened.

I'll start by saying that I thought that Isumi vs. Athena part was really great, even though it wasn't the best fight I've seen in a manga, it was the best fight in this manga. A lot of effort was put into those chapters and it shows.

Also, I thought that, while a bit prolonged, Hayate's dilemma at choosing between saving Athena or betraying Nagi was really well written and made for good character development. Nagi breaking the stone also managed to exemplify the bond the two have nicely, with her trading all her luxuries and wealth and placing unconditional faith in him (not that she didn't have moments where she showed concern for him before, but this pretty much was the key moment for Nagi to show how much she had grown as a character) it also helped that this was foreshadowed at some time before Athena shown up, to help show that this is an actual planned event.

For things I didn't like, for one, I didn't like how the pacing started becoming uneven in some parts. At times, Hata pads things to fill a whole chapter while at other times skips or shortens events that could've been told better with more space. I also didn't like how he introduces plot points out of nowhere (Isumi grandmother, Hina's ranger costume, Machina showing up out of nowhere to name a few) or when the exposition some of the characters give becomes unnatural.
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Old 2010-03-28, 09:25   Link #6484
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Who's the group trying to convince others that Hayate's 'true love' is Athena because he's said the words 'I love her'?

Hayate no Gotoku is built on misinterpretation. Please do remember this.
Not me? I was never a Athena X Hayate fanatic, I just like Athena. And you realize we're debating a story that started out as a gag, right? All of these ridiculous contrivances (on both sides) that are being used to "prove" anything is ridiculous. I wouldn't be surprised if even Hata forgot the small nitpicks that are currently being HOTLY debated.

We'll find out who Hayate picks at the end. You're taking this too seriously for a gag manga. I can understand if it turns out this entire manga actually gives us a deep message about materialism etc., but as of now there's no reason to care so much.
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Old 2010-03-28, 09:39   Link #6485
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Who's the group trying to convince others that Hayate's 'true love' is Athena because he's said the words 'I love her'?

Hayate no Gotoku is built on misinterpretation. Please do remember this.
I don't think anyone has ever mentioned anything about "true love," if it's not for personal opinion, but wanted to point out that Hayate did love Athena.

Don't tell me you now think that Hayate's confession is a misunderstand?o.0
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Old 2010-03-28, 11:26   Link #6486
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Umm.. well, this place is pretty much... eugh...

Errr... anyway, as the only thing I've read, no, as the only thing that caught my attention was Arabesque's bold text, I'll answer to it.


I won't think much about it, but give a straight answer. Whatever first comes to mind...

Favorite moment of the Namek saga....

When Nagi broke the gem

And the least favorite...

I guess it's the combination of Hina's failed attempt to confess, and Athena's "rejection".


Yeah, if they were more direct, they would probably mess things up. Perhaps even pretty badly, but who says that wouldn't be a nice development? Well, Hina could be put on hold (and that would suck), or if Hayate gave the ok, then... yeah... game over. Same could be said for Athena. Basically, it's a relationship race. Who's gonna be his girlfriend?

Who cares? Hayate is a faggot. *gives handshake to leo* Nice faggot rainbow there, sir. Hahhahahahah....
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Old 2010-03-28, 12:14   Link #6487
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There is nothing wrong with hoping. Guess Hata's plan worked.
Well, my girl is still in the running, so I guess the "hope" bit will have to apply to you.

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Not really. I thought she rejected Hayate because the author can't have the manga ended, and it gave the others some opportunities with everything back to square one, somewhat.
Oh please. _We_ can argue on the meta-level, but the characters can't. You can't be really so confused to believe that Athena would be thinking that?

Athena's reason to give up on Hayate was to make sure not to cause him distress anymore. She knew that he had to return.

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One of the reasons was to repay Nagi. The other was she thought Hayate could be hurt, but there is no harm in wanting him to love her now, is it?
Yes, naturally there would be harm in it if she were around. Hayate has other obligations. Which is why she released him (to avoid the more brutal "dumped"). Get it into your head somehow, right now Athena is _not_ trying to be with Hayate. If that's what she wanted, she could have easily tried for it NOW, but she consciously SENT HIM OFF instead.

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Athena stated that she's giving Hayate back to Nagi now, but that won't necessarily happen the next time. That means she has the desire to have him. Even more so when Athena wears the ring. Since that ring represents Hayate's feelings for her, it would make more sense that she hasn't give up on Hayate's feelings for her, right?
You still haven't understood the story ^_^; ... ah well.

No point arguing about it. You seem to expect Athena to show up again anytime soon. I say she won't have any more relevant interaction with the HnG characters for a long long time. Let's see who's right.

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Well, I was thinking that Hina would leave Hayate once she realized her place, but him dumping her could work. And since they haven't yet going out, he has every right to reject her without being a jack-ass.
Who is "her"? And Hayate never "rejected" a girl to begin with. Please try to rephrase if there was a meaningful thought in this.

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But I wasn't trying to waste my time giving her advice; I'd kill myself before then. So, don't be ridiculous now.
Well, that's my point. Your relationship advice would rate as "sabotage" in my book. So don't waste your breath.
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Old 2010-03-28, 13:02   Link #6488
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Well, my girl is still in the running, so I guess the "hope" bit will have to apply to you.
So is Athena, this chapter is painfully obvious about it.

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Get it into your head somehow, right now Athena is _not_ trying to be with Hayate. If that's what she wanted, she could have easily tried for it NOW, but she consciously SENT HIM OFF instead.
Right now, Athena is wearing Hayate's engagement ring, has introduced herself to Nagi, and is en route back to Japan. That's the antithesis of "out of the game."

The chapter makes it clear that "giving Hayate back" was her way of paying Nagi back for the stone. Now it's up to Nagi to keep him, because Athena considers the debt paid in full.
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Old 2010-03-28, 13:04   Link #6489
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All of this cross quoting and multi threading is making my head hurt. This forum is like the only one where I've seen such a mess. Can we just talk about the current events in the manga, and answer any questions for people catching up?

I'll try to go and suggest a separate "girl war" thread, but can we not do it here; anybody who hasn't been following this forum for at least 2 weeks is probably very confused.
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Old 2010-03-28, 13:14   Link #6490
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Right now, Athena is wearing Hayate's engagement ring, has introduced herself to Nagi, and is en route back to Japan. That's the antithesis of "out of the game."
Okay, so what is your position? Does Athena intend to keep her word to let Hayate go back and NOT interfere in his life or not?

Maybe it's that I haven't read the full scanlation of it so far, but to me, her gesture is not "Shoubu da!", but closer to "treat him well, or I might not leave him to you next time". From what I've seen, it's the latter.
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Old 2010-03-28, 13:18   Link #6491
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All of this cross quoting and multi threading is making my head hurt. This forum is like the only one where I've seen such a mess. Can we just talk about the current events in the manga, and answer any questions for people catching up?
What exactly is there to talk about other than the love interests? You can pretty much just guess what will happen next, but according to you that would mean we couldn't guess what would happen in terms of romance. So... we guess the next gag? Talk about when he'll ever use his super move again?

Face it. The romantic aspect is ingrained into the series and is a pivotal point.
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Old 2010-03-28, 13:20   Link #6492
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Well, my girl is still in the running, so I guess the "hope" bit will have to apply to you.
It applies to every shipper. o.0
Hina "not" confessed is your "hope" as I was saying

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Oh please. _We_ can argue on the meta-level, but the characters can't. You can't be really so confused to believe that Athena would be thinking that?

Athena's reason to give up on Hayate was to make sure not to cause him distress anymore. She knew that he had to return.
Yes, naturally there would be harm in it if she were around. Hayate has other obligations. Which is why she released him (to avoid the more brutal "dumped"). Get it into your head somehow, right now Athena is _not_ trying to be with Hayate. If that's what she wanted, she could have easily tried for it NOW, but she consciously SENT HIM OFF instead.
That was what I truly thought, not what Athena believed, realistically for the story to continue.

My thoughts would be like yours if I have taken into consideration only of events in chapter 265, but not in chapter 266. She wouldn't try to be with him, "right now" at least, which I already said that she will have a time-out before her re-appearance.

You saw her smirking, that's the smile of victory. She made use of the empty box and the ring very well.

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Who is "her"? And Hayate never "rejected" a girl to begin with. Please try to rephrase if there was a meaningful thought in this..
Uhm..Maybe Hina...who knows?
I think I meant it very clear that Hayate can reject (has the right to reject) "her" without being a "bastard" if they are not yet dating.

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Well, that's my point. Your relationship advice would rate as "sabotage" in my book. So don't waste your breath.
What is the point of claiming it if I have yet to or never thought of advising Hina? No point really unless you wanted to waste your breath. Lol
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Okay, so what is your position? Does Athena intend to keep her word to let Hayate go back and NOT interfere in her life or not?
Athena never said anything about "not interfering with Hayate's life." In fact, she specifically mentioned that they would meet again, just not often. In that respect, she probably won't be a regular member of the cast, but more like a Mikado-ish figure.

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Maybe it's that I haven't read the full scanlation of it so far, but to me, her gesture is not "Shoubu da!", but closer to "treat him well, or I might not leave him to you next time". From what I've seen, it's the latter.
If she was truly "leaving Hayate to Nagi", the ring would have been in the box. Instead, she's wearing it. That alone is a sign that she's still in the running, so to speak.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think there will be an Athena ending at this point in time unless something drastic changes, but Hinagiku's chances at this point are even more dire.
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Old 2010-03-28, 13:49   Link #6494
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What exactly is there to talk about other than the love interests? You can pretty much just guess what will happen next, but according to you that would mean we couldn't guess what would happen in terms of romance. So... we guess the next gag? Talk about when he'll ever use his super move again?

Face it. The romantic aspect is ingrained into the series and is a pivotal point.
I guess you have a point. Maybe we could talk about the gags...?

The cross quoting is still too hard to follow though. Could we maybe simplify things and not get worked up over tiny details?
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That was what I truly thought, not what Athena believed, realistically for the story to continue.
I see. She's sending Hayate off because she knows she's in a manga that the author wants to prolong a bit.

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My thoughts would be like yours if I have taken into consideration only of events in chapter 265, but not in chapter 266. She wouldn't try to be with him, "right now" at least, which I already said that she will have a time-out before her re-appearance.
And what's the point of this time-out? I forgot, she wants to prolong the manga.

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Uhm..Maybe Hina...who knows?
I was asking you to explain your own words. If not even you don't know what you're talking about, it explains a few things, but I'm wasting my time.
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Old 2010-03-28, 13:55   Link #6496
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I guess you have a point. Maybe we could talk about the gags...?

The cross quoting is still too hard to follow though. Could we maybe simplify things and not get worked up over tiny details?
has there ever been a discussion on the gag before?
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Athena never said anything about "not interfering with Hayate's life." In fact, she specifically mentioned that they would meet again, just not often. In that respect, she probably won't be a regular member of the cast, but more like a Mikado-ish figure.
Pure semantics. Either she has the intention to be with Hayate, then she is lying about sending him away, and her decision to do it makes no sense at all. Or she wants to be with him, but she's mature enough to realize that he CANNOT BE WITH HER as things are now. It's obvious that it's the latter, and I'm surprised that _you_ of all people seem to be arguing this point.

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If she was truly "leaving Hayate to Nagi", the ring would have been in the box. Instead, she's wearing it. That alone is a sign that she's still in the running, so to speak.
So what does she want? Actively be with Hayate, just not now? Stay at the sideline and try to pull Hayate away from Nagi? This option would earn her my scorn.

Stay around _passively_ in case Hayate one day leaves Nagi, to pick him up and rekindle the flame? This option would be "fair enough", but somehow feels very unnatural.

I prefer my interpretation that she's handing Hayate back to Nagi, but the ring signifies her feelings for him, and she will NOT give up on them. Which, by the way, is by far the noblest interpretation.

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Don't get me wrong, I don't think there will be an Athena ending at this point in time unless something drastic changes, but Hinagiku's chances at this point are even more dire.
Where did Hina enter this? Counterpunch?

Seriously though - Hina has her share of karma points, but the necessary positive preconditions on Hayate's side are not yet met. One negative precondition (Hayate's past with Athena) has just been cleared.

At the moment, Hina would certainly have no chance, if she were to confess. But she definitely has good potential for development, which I'm sure we'll see in the future.
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has there ever been a discussion on the gag before?
Most of them aren't even funny to people who don't have experience in Japan =/. So, no.
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I see. She's sending Hayate off because she knows she's in a manga that the author wants to prolong a bit.

And what's the point of this time-out? I forgot, she wants to prolong the manga.

I was asking you to explain your own words. If not even you don't know what you're talking about, it explains a few things, but I'm wasting my time.
I won't want to spend my time to clarify...So simple and clean...

No, don't put words into my mouth.

Somewhat, it is Hata by the way.

There is nothing wrong if he were to reject a girl, including your pink princess, k?
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Pure semantics. Either she has the intention to be with Hayate, then she is lying about sending him away, and her decision to do it makes no sense at all. Or she wants to be with him, but she's mature enough to realize that he CANNOT BE WITH HER as things are now. It's obvious that it's the latter, and I'm surprised that _you_ of all people seem to be arguing this point.
There is a middle ground between "I will never contact you again" and "joining in on harem antics!" I just said that she wouldn't be showing up regularly, but, AGAIN, Athena herself said they would see one another again, just not often. You're the one trying to frame it as all or nothing.

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I prefer my interpretation that she's handing Hayate back to Nagi, but the ring signifies her feelings for him, and she will NOT give up on them. Which, by the way, is by far the noblest interpretation.
Sigh. Isn't this what I said? She's not giving up on her feelings, therefore if there's a chance to act on them, she will. She gave Hayate back as a sign of respect and to honor what Nagi did for her, but from now on she doesn't feel beholden to that.

If all you want to do is rephrase what I'm saying in slight different ways, let's just save the bandwidth.
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